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3/23/2005 6:47:41 AM EDT
I am interested in havind an ar15 barrel shortened to 11.5". Could anyone recommend someone in the Dallas or Kaufman County areas who could handle the transfer? Thank's, Ray Rinehart
3/23/2005 8:29:26 AM EDT
[#1]
No need for a transfer, assuming you already have an AR lower.  Just fill out ATF Form1 and send it in with the necessary supporting documents (fingerprint card, etc.) and a check for $200.  This allows you to "make" the SBR by putting a short upper on it.  You'll have to engrave the "manufacturer's name" (i.e. your name or your corporate name), city, and state on the side of the receiver.
3/23/2005 9:49:29 AM EDT
[#2]
ferretray, are you in Kaufman County? I live in Kaufman County and just sent off a form 1 about 3 weeks ago. The county sheriff will sign off, his only request is to meet with you in person. Sheriff David Burnes, nice guy.
3/23/2005 4:58:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Here is a link to the forms:

Form 1


Email me if you have any questions.


Keith



NFA Investments, A BATFE Licensed Firearms Manufacturer
Keith Norman, owner
Tel. (281) 639-0026
Type 07 FFL / Class 02 SOT
Web: www.NFAinvestments.com
Email: [email protected]

Central Texas Investigative Services
Keith Norman, owner
Tel. (281) 639-0026
TCPS #A-08772
Web: www.ctis.cc
Email: [email protected]
3/23/2005 5:52:31 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I am interested in havind an ar15 barrel shortened to 11.5". Could anyone recommend someone in the Dallas or Kaufman County areas who could handle the transfer? Thank's, Ray Rinehart



I think you would be best served to F1 the lower, then buy a 11.5 upper, and sell the current upper you have. The time and expense to cut it down, then you still need to replace many of the parts, re-drill the gas hole, etc., is not worth it.
3/24/2005 4:47:34 PM EDT
[#5]
rbailey, I have a somewhat unusual residential status right now. I've met Sheriff Byrnes @ a couple of VFD events and did some research on his background. He is a retired Texas Ranger Captain and is in the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame. Very impressive. When I have an ar15 set up the way I want it I plan on doing some training @ the facility outside Ennis. I do have family in the area. Ray Rinehart
3/24/2005 8:30:11 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
rbailey, I have a somewhat unusual residential status right now. I've met Sheriff Byrnes @ a couple of VFD events and did some research on his background. He is a retired Texas Ranger Captain and is in the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame. Very impressive. When I have an ar15 set up the way I want it I plan on doing some training @ the facility outside Ennis. I do have family in the area. Ray Rinehart



I did not know that about Sheriff Burnes. Good to know. What ever alterations you need for your AR I would recommenf Keith Norman from NFA Investmens (above). I have seen his work and it is great.  My buddy got a 9mm suppressed upper from him, awesome! I am now waiting on my paper work to come back so I can get my .233 can from him. I have had several e-mail chats with him and he is a great guy to deal with. I believe he is just north of the Houston area, so not too far from home (DFW).
3/29/2005 3:32:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Anybody else have work done by Keith @ NFA Investments? Thank's, Ray
3/30/2005 5:33:46 AM EDT
[#8]
I agree with the advice about purchasing a 11.5" barrel.  For the amount of time and expense involved to ship a barrel, shorten it, rethread it, tweak the gas port so that it functions, and return ship the barrel, you could have purchased a brand new barrel and kept your old barrel as a spare. I would definitely recommend a chrome lined barrel / chamber for function reasons in the shorty uppers. When you are putting it all togather, an adjustable gas block is not a bad idea to install.

BTW, you will want to make sure that your chamber stays VERY clean on the shorty upper. You probably should install a 0.25" rubber O-ring around your extracter spring as well. Shorty uppers have a much shorter, but more intense, gas system. The bolt is much more violent when it extracts the spent cartridges from the chamber. I have played around with the pigtail tubes on shorty uppers, but I prefer the strandard M16 gas tube.


Keith


NFA Investments, A BATFE Licensed Firearms Manufacturer
Keith Norman, owner
Tel. (281) 639-0026
Type 07 FFL / Class 02 SOT
Web: www.NFAinvestments.com
Email: [email protected]

Central Texas Investigative Services
Keith Norman, owner
Tel. (281) 639-0026
TCPS #A-08772
Web: www.ctis.cc
Email: [email protected]
3/30/2005 7:09:10 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
ferretray, are you in Kaufman County? I live in Kaufman County and just sent off a form 1 about 3 weeks ago. The county sheriff will sign off, his only request is to meet with you in person. Sheriff David Burnes, nice guy.



Hell!

I live in Van Zandt county, and I work at TVCC in Terrel.  I can't believe I have never met either of you two!

TRG
3/30/2005 7:11:00 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I am interested in havind an ar15 barrel shortened to 11.5". Could anyone recommend someone in the Dallas or Kaufman County areas who could handle the transfer? Thank's, Ray Rinehart



Koening's Guns in Terrell does good work.

They are not very NFA-savvy.  You will need some paperwork with you (at least I did) when getting NFA work done.

TRG
3/30/2005 8:10:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Keith, I appreciate your info. I meant to call you back Friday but got caught-up in THE record day in the history of my workplace. I hope to get ahold of you soon ref. some NFA/sbr questions. Thank's again, Ray Rinehart
3/30/2005 8:55:37 AM EDT
[#12]
anyone try to get Harris Co. S.O. to sign off on a SBR or any other ATF parperwork?
3/30/2005 8:58:55 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
anyone try to get Harris Co. S.O. to sign off on a SBR or any other ATF parperwork?



Sorry, but your SOL in the Houston, Harris County area.

Mike

ps - LLC territory here.
3/30/2005 9:11:40 AM EDT
[#14]
just one more reason to get out of s.e. Texas.  hot and humid summers, smelly chem. plants and assholes running the place. if i could move central Texas i would.
3/30/2005 9:20:28 AM EDT
[#15]

Hell!

I live in Van Zandt county, and I work at TVCC in Terrel.  I can't believe I have never met either of you two!

TRG

As you can see by my post number, I have only been involved in the forum a short time. I now visit daily, maybe we can meet sometime.

rbailey
3/30/2005 9:21:11 AM EDT
[#16]
Keith, What do you think of using a LMT 10.5" barrel for an SBR conversion ? Red Goat, Whats TVCC ?
3/30/2005 9:39:58 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Keith, What do you think of using a LMT 10.5" barrel for an SBR conversion ? Red Goat, Whats TVCC ?



]www.tvcc.edu/faculty/ballen

As for a 10.5"... I know you asked Keith, but, my 10.5" is a real fun gun to shoot.  The fireball is so large, that even in daytime it flashes over your sight picture and is clearly visible.

Fun, though... real fun!

TRG

3/30/2005 1:04:27 PM EDT
[#18]
Same here. I started with a 16" which had been repeatedly shortened to 10.25". The blast is awesome. Especially in full auto!


About the LMT upper, I really can't say. Everything I have seen from LMT has been excellent, so I can't imagiane that you could go wrong there.
3/30/2005 5:22:53 PM EDT
[#19]
Thank's Guy's. Keith, I'll get up with you when I'm ready to do the SBR thing. Thank's again, Ray Rinehart