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3/21/2005 9:59:27 PM EDT
Did you guys even know about this???


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By:  Ellis                                                        S.B. No. 1386



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT

relating to prohibiting semiautomatic assault[0] weapons[0]; creating an
offense.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:                        
SECTION 1.  Section 46.01, Penal Code, is amended by adding
Subdivision (17) to read as follows:
(17)  "Semiautomatic assault[0] weapon[0]" means:                            
(A)  a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity
to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following:
(i)  a pistol grip that protrudes
conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon[0];
(ii)  a folding or telescoping stock;                                
(iii)  a grenade launcher or flare launcher;                        
(iv)  a flash suppressor or threaded barrel
designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
(v)  a forward pistol grip; or                                      
(vi)  a bayonet mount;                                              
(B)  a semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity
to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following:
(i)  an ammunition magazine that attaches to
the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii)  a threaded barrel, capable of
accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or
silencer;
(iii)  a shroud that is attached to, or
partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that allows the
bearer to fire the weapon[0] without burning the bearer's hand, except
a slide that encloses the barrel;
(iv)  a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or
more when the pistol is unloaded; or
(v)  a semiautomatic version of an automatic
firearm;              
(C)  a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two
of the following:
(i)  a folding or telescoping stock;                                
(ii)  a pistol grip that protrudes
conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon[0];
(iii)  a fixed magazine capacity in excess
of five rounds; or      
(iv)  the capacity to accept a detachable
magazine;                
(D)  a shotgun with a revolving cylinder; and                        
(E)  any of the following firearms, or a copy or
duplicate of any of the following firearms, in any caliber:
(i)  Norinco, Mitchell, or Poly Technologies
Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii)  Action Arms Israeli Military
Industries UZI and Galil;      
(iii)  Beretta AR-70;                                                
(iv)  Colt AR-15;                                                    
(v)  Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and
FNC;                    
(vi)  SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;                              
(vii)  Steyr AUG; or                                                
(viii)  INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22.                        
SECTION 2.  Chapter 46, Penal Code, is amended by adding
Section 46.055 to read as follows:
Sec. 46.055.  SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT[0] WEAPONS[0] PROHIBITED.  (a)  
A person commits an offense if the person knowingly possesses,
manufactures, transports, repairs, sells, or offers to sell a
semiautomatic assault[0] weapon[0].
(b)  An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor,
except that if it is shown on the trial of the offense that the
person has been previously convicted of an offense under this
section, the offense is a state jail felony.
(c)  It is a defense to prosecution under this section  that:          
(1)  the semiautomatic assault[0] weapon[0] is a firearm
manufactured before Janurary 1, 1899;
(2)  the person lawfully possessed the weapon[0] on August
31, 2005;    
(3)  the person's conduct was incidental to the
performance of an official duty by the armed forces or national
guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a correctional
facility; or
(4)  the weapon[0] is one sanctioned by the International
Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting and is used solely for
competitive target shooting purposes.
SECTION 3.  This Act takes effect September 1, 2005.                          




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3/21/2005 10:16:34 PM EDT
[#1]
What the...

Oh, Rodney Ellis. I should have known.  

Looks like I got some calls to make tomorrow.
3/21/2005 10:21:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Fixed link
www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/db2www/tlo/billhist/billhist.d2w/report?LEG=79&SESS=R&CHAMBER=S&BILLTYPE=B&BILLSUFFIX=01386
Author is a demorat from Houston....figures
3/21/2005 10:46:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Putting the words Texas and AWB in the same sentence is an oximoron. The shit will never pass.
3/22/2005 1:18:20 AM EDT
[#4]
it's unconstitutional under the tx constitution. this is ILLEGAL to the highest degree. not only is this fucking with the bill of rights nationally, it's messing with tx legislation too....... I will not submit to this if it passes. if i go to jail so be it. I refuse to be tyrannized.
3/22/2005 4:14:46 AM EDT
[#5]
Yea you sound like a real winner guy...now back to reality...It wouldn't surprize me if the ban passes thanks to all of the jackasses that keep using AW's to attack LEO's and others.  I work in Smith Co. where the courthouse shooting happened.  I have heard several of my co-workers say things like "that was the stupidest thing they could have done letting the AWB expire."  Even though our own Sheriff stated on local news that the AWB really served no purpose and its expire should no proove to effect law enforcement.  All the idiots out there need quit using AK's and other AW's,  they are really screwing it up for the rest of us.  Also comments from people like "Voldermortist" don't help the cause,  makes you and the rest of us look like a bunch of anti-government yahoo's.  Yea that'll make the legislature want to trust or listen to us!!! If you go F&@KING nuts, buy a damn slingshot and a bag of marbles and assault someone with them!
3/22/2005 5:41:01 AM EDT
[#6]
They need to leave us Texans alone. If they have an AW's issue with the criminals, then the law should tighten the rope on them. "Fight fire with fire" and load the the police up with the same weapons. It's already happening with some local law enforcement in the DFW area. It pisses me off eveytime I see some criminal act on TV and there are AR's or AK's involved. My first thought is that's the one that will change thing for us, making the innocent suffer with the bad.

IMHO, the judicial system need a major overhaul when it comes to punishing some of these idiots. You need to put the fear in some of these a#@holes and let the punishment better fit the crime. Maybe then some of them will think twice before they act.
3/22/2005 9:14:25 AM EDT
[#7]
Almost all of this sh!tbags bills in the Committee on Criminal Justice are aimed at lowering the offenses for criminal offenders or limiting the punishment certain offenders receive.  Typical big city left wing bullsh!t.  It'll die in the committee.

D
3/22/2005 9:28:52 AM EDT
[#8]
No sweat.  All mine were manufactured prior to Jan.1, 1899.
3/22/2005 9:36:12 AM EDT
[#9]
I'm wondering if I should even bother sending a letter to my Senator...cause it's Rodney Ellis!  No matter what I will send a letter to my Rep, asking that she not support this bill, nor any other gun control bills, should it make it to the House.
3/22/2005 11:40:01 AM EDT
[#10]
The Texas State Rifle Association does a good job of fighting bills like this.  They also do a good job sending out alerts to keep the members informed about these things.  They are sort of like the NRA of Texas.  I highly recommend joining if you are not a member.  It's a good organization for the gun owners of Texas.
3/22/2005 1:11:53 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Yea you sound like a real winner guy...now back to reality...It wouldn't surprize me if the ban passes thanks to all of the jackasses that keep using AW's to attack LEO's and others.  I work in Smith Co. where the courthouse shooting happened.  I have heard several of my co-workers say things like "that was the stupidest thing they could have done letting the AWB expire."  Even though our own Sheriff stated on local news that the AWB really served no purpose and its expire should no proove to effect law enforcement.  All the idiots out there need quit using AK's and other AW's,  they are really screwing it up for the rest of us.  Also comments from people like "Voldermortist" don't help the cause,  makes you and the rest of us look like a bunch of anti-government yahoo's.  Yea that'll make the legislature want to trust or listen to us!!! If you go F&@KING nuts, buy a damn slingshot and a bag of marbles and assault someone with them!




of course, I'm a nutcase because I'm not willing to bend over and grab my ankles. that's real nice. Stupid hypocrit.
3/22/2005 1:27:46 PM EDT
[#12]
I don't know if this will pass or not but we can't take any chances.  Shoot all the committee members an email telling them in no uncertain terms you oppose this POS bill.  I was more tactful when I wrote them earlier today.

We need a fire lit under the AR15 Texas members!!!!
3/22/2005 1:46:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Not that this will ever pass, but...


(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
  (2) the person lawfully possessed the weapon[0] on August  31, 2005;



Notice it says "the person lawfully possessed the weapon" -- does that mean that "grandfathered" weapons would not be transferrable?

Write your state senators and reps, just in case...
3/22/2005 2:32:04 PM EDT
[#14]
tag
3/22/2005 2:33:38 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
The Texas State Rifle Association does a good job of fighting bills like this.  They also do a good job sending out alerts to keep the members informed about these things.  They are sort of like the NRA of Texas.  I highly recommend joining if you are not a member.  It's a good organization for the gun owners of Texas.



+500

Texas gun owners should be members.  TSRA fights hard.
3/22/2005 6:08:00 PM EDT
[#16]
  So what can we do besides joining TSRA     Just Joined TSRA
3/22/2005 6:25:54 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
  So what can we do besides joining TSRA     Just Joined TSRA



Find out who your state reps and state senators are and call their offices telling them to oppose this bill. Be sure and give the bill name SB1386.

A phone call to the governor's office wouldn't hurt either.
3/22/2005 7:44:20 PM EDT
[#18]
I gave my Senator(Wentworth) an email and asked him to oppose the bill. I don't know if it will help but it can't hurt to try. With t both houses of the texas legislature being republican, it should help to table the bill. As I explained to the senator, my ar15's, cetme's and ak's are used in testing of materials to save soldiers and leo lives in the future if everything works out.

Anti-gun laws only cost lives and don't save any(i'll proubly get flamed for this beleif but I beleive it to be true having had a loved one killed because of gunlaws where she lived.)
3/22/2005 9:17:29 PM EDT
[#19]
I contacted TSRA, they have assured me there is little to no chance this bill will go ANYWHERE. But lets stay on guard, regardless.
3/22/2005 9:42:18 PM EDT
[#20]

The Texas State Rifle Association does a good job of fighting bills like this. They also do a good job sending out alerts to keep the members informed about these things. They are sort of like the NRA of Texas. I highly recommend joining if you are not a member. It's a good organization for the gun owners of Texas.




AMEN! if the national NRA was half as effective as the TSRA was all gunowners in America would be better off. If you dont belong to TSRA you should.
3/23/2005 2:38:26 AM EDT
[#21]
I bought a Life Membership to the TSRA back when I was making $8 per hour in 1994.  It was (and still is) that important.  
3/23/2005 4:14:50 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I have heard several of my co-workers say things like "that was the stupidest thing they could have done letting the AWB expire."  Even though our own Sheriff stated on local news that the AWB really served no purpose and its expire should no proove to effect law enforcement.  !



What's silly in the first place is that there are people who think that the expiration of the AWB is even remotely related to these shoot-em-up events.  They don't even realize that the "ban" didn't actually ban rifles.  It simply banned simple bolt-on features which had little to do with the lethality of the rifle.  Therefore, there can be no real hard-core correlation between the AWB and any perceived or actual decline in mass shootings.

I'm not familiar with what type of AK variant was used by the nut-job in Tyler and when he acquired it, but I purchased at least five AK variants during the ban period that would've been just as effective as the one he used.  So what if they didn't have flash suppressors, folding stocks, or bayonet lugs.  They had the potential to be just as effective and deadly as any post-AWB AK.

When I hear people spouting erroneous logic in support of an AWB, I generally try my best to educate them on the actual workings and flawed theories of such bans.  A large percentage of the time, these people come away better educated and with a different way of thinking.
3/23/2005 4:32:03 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
The Texas State Rifle Association does a good job of fighting bills like this.  They also do a good job sending out alerts to keep the members informed about these things.  They are sort of like the NRA of Texas.  I highly recommend joining if you are not a member.  It's a good organization for the gun owners of Texas.



+2

Mike
3/23/2005 7:44:02 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I gave my Senator(Wentworth) an email and asked him to oppose the bill. I don't know if it will help but it can't hurt to try.



One thing I have learned in dealing with Senators/Reps.  An email is good for a quick "heads up" but they really notice mailed letters.  Taking the time to write/type up a well contructed letter has resulted in my Rep calling me to discuss a matter that I brought to her attention.  Not once has an email resulted in further meaningful contact.
3/23/2005 2:08:56 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
One thing I have learned in dealing with Senators/Reps.  An email is good for a quick "heads up" but they really notice mailed letters.  Taking the time to write/type up a well contructed letter has resulted in my Rep calling me to discuss a matter that I brought to her attention.  Not once has an email resulted in further meaningful contact.



That has been my experience also.  A well written letter seems to be taken more seriously.
3/23/2005 4:39:30 PM EDT
[#26]
Ellis from Houston is made of the same fabric as his federal counterpart Shiela Jackson Lee....both are serious liberals with an agenda.

All Texas gun owners and sportsmen should spend the few $$$ and join the TSRA.  It is a great organization and has major influence in the legislature.   They get things done and are very effective.   Your money is well spent.
be safe....
3/24/2005 7:24:23 AM EDT
[#27]
Is this bull shit for all of
Texas, I will be so pissed off if it does goe through.
But like others said it wont so its all good.
Cowboy
3/24/2005 7:39:44 AM EDT
[#28]
Just joined TSRA! And post 556, no less!  I wonder how many folks joined because of this website and/or bill?
3/24/2005 12:19:31 PM EDT
[#29]
I'll be sending Seliger a letter today or tomorrow.  Luckily, he's Vice-Chair of the Crim Justice committee.
3/24/2005 12:23:55 PM EDT
[#30]
It'll go nowhere.  This ain't Kalifornia and it ain't Yankeeville.  This is Texas, damnit!
3/24/2005 2:13:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Historically gun control & gay rights are 2 certain death issues for elected reps in Texas.  Id keep an eye on it but I wouldnt sweat it too hard.  If youre not in the NRA & TSRA Id like to ask why not?  The TSRA works hard in Texas for all of us.  The TSRA never backs down or compromises on an issue.  
3/24/2005 4:25:01 PM EDT
[#32]
I'm on the website now....I don't see a link to give them CC info.


Any Help?


ETA:  Nevermind---found it.

You guys recruited a new member.  Anyone want to give their name so I'll put it on the recruiting part.
3/24/2005 4:39:33 PM EDT
[#33]
This reminded me to renew my TSRA membership.
3/24/2005 5:03:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Just got a 3 year membership.
3/24/2005 7:29:46 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Ellis from Houston is made of the same fabric as his federal counterpart Shiela Jackson Lee....both are serious liberals with an agenda.......




I beg to differ with you. Though they are both minority bleeding heart liberal Democrats, Jackson is a lawyer originally FROM NEW YORK CITY.  She is an opportunist who saw how she could keep smiling in the camera on the Houston City Council one day,  to Congresswoman at $144,000 annual salary the next day.

The only Woman that irritates me more is Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!!
3/25/2005 6:43:29 AM EDT
[#36]
+1
3/25/2005 6:49:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Just  joined!
3/25/2005 7:26:30 AM EDT
[#38]
Does any one have a link for the membership
registration.
Thanks, Cowboy

Never mind found it
3/25/2005 8:27:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Welcome to the club looks like every state is getting hit by this bull crap. I think you guys will be ok knowing Texas.....Time for all the states to ban and march on Washington and your own State Capitols.
3/25/2005 8:40:04 AM EDT
[#40]
Whats the chances of this ban being
put in to effect.
Thanks, Cowboy
3/25/2005 9:01:53 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Whats the chances of this ban being
put in to effect.
Thanks, Cowboy



Diddly fucking zero..............

Doesn't, however, mean we can drop our guard.




Ever vigilant.
3/26/2005 10:51:50 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
Does any one have a link for the membership
registration.
Thanks, Cowboy

Never mind found it



Where did you find it?  Got a link?
3/26/2005 11:37:11 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
Putting the words Texas and AWB in the same sentence is an oximoron. The shit will never pass.



Never say never...........
3/26/2005 12:45:27 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:

Where did you find it?  Got a link?




Texas State Rifle Association


Upper left hand corner.

3/26/2005 1:09:42 PM EDT
[#45]
You know the USA is in a sad state of being when they are trying to ban guns in Texas!
God help us all!!
3/26/2005 3:30:18 PM EDT
[#46]



I'm not familiar with what type of AK variant was used by the nut-job in Tyler and when he acquired it, but I purchased at least five AK variants during the ban period that would've been just as effective as the one he used.  So what if they didn't have flash suppressors, folding stocks, or bayonet lugs.  They had the potential to be just as effective and deadly as any post-AWB AK.



 I live in Canton, and heard that it was a MAK 90.  Not even covered by the AWB
3/29/2005 3:29:23 PM EDT
[#47]
And the Bowie knife...
I'm sure ol' Jims last words were " only from my cold dead hands "
4/2/2005 1:33:59 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
Just  joined!



So did we.