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Posted: 2/2/2021 2:13:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am going to the USAF Museum in Dayton that weekend but between then and now I don’t think I have any conflicts. I can probably swing a 3hr radius from Wichita but no need to cater to just me lol. I think we should target Wichita and the KC area. Besides you being a swell fellow there are some others in the Wichita area that are interested and it's a little closer for Notcalifornialegal too. The KC metro area has a good number of interested persons too. @KC215 Have you hiked Shawnee Mission park? Is it a moderate trail anyone can do or is it on the rugged side? Any other trail networks ranging from bike/jogging paths to moderate trails you'd recommend instead? Edit - I just saw you mentioned the Olathe Prairie Trail in an earlier post. It's a 2.7 mile loop so almost perfect for people wanting to qualify for 3 or 6 miles and it looks like a much more tame trail than the one we just did so a little more friendly to beginners. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 2:22:44 PM EDT
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Those of you that had GPS devices what did you have and did they allow the uploading of gpx or other files to help you navigate a trail?
I imagine getting some topo maps of a trail and learning the basics of land nav would be a good thing too if we can get trails accurately overlaid on them. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:59:53 PM EDT
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@Tactical_Bacon
@Notcalifornialegal @Norsk_Snikskytter What kind of GPS were you guys using? I'm gonna need to get one pretty quick. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 11:32:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Tactical_Bacon @Notcalifornialegal @Norsk_Snikskytter What kind of GPS were you guys using? I'm gonna need to get one pretty quick. I was just following the folks up front, but I'm looking at the Foretrex 601 Garand Thumb has a great video on Navigational tools  Basics of Navigational Tools |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:11:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @KC215 Have you hiked Shawnee Mission park? Is it a moderate trail anyone can do or is it on the rugged side? Any other trail networks ranging from bike/jogging paths to moderate trails you'd recommend instead? Edit - I just saw you mentioned the Olathe Prairie Trail in an earlier post. It's a 2.7 mile loop so almost perfect for people wanting to qualify for 3 or 6 miles and it looks like a much more tame trail than the one we just did so a little more friendly to beginners. On SMP, it's been awhile. It's been a long time since I've hiked/walked it. I always did paved trails, as most of the stuff not paved is for mtn bikes, or even separate horse trails. A big portion of it is part of the Mill Creek Streamway Trail.. It is probably entry level with some other portions a little more difficult. In my search I found JCPRD trail guide. SMP map One time earlier in my youth, I stuck it in the crazy and we did a run through Wyandotte Co Lake Trail, which would be similar to probably what you guys just did. https://www.alltrails.com/parks/us/kansas/wyandotte-county-lake-park https://www.wycokck.org/WycoKCK/media/Public-Works/Documents/Wyandotte-County-Lake-Park-Map.pdf I did not get out on Sunday, but that Olathe trail is beginner level. There are several different loops. I'll stop by there tomorrow to see about a map. It's been awhile but I rode mtn bikes out in blue springs at Burr Woods that's part of MDC. I'm sure there's plenty of hiking there. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:21:09 AM EDT
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How do we feel about the weekend of the 20th vs the 27th?
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:31:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we feel about the weekend of the 20th vs the 27th? The sooner the better! Let's get them on the calendar and start getting boots on the ground! |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 1:22:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The sooner the better! Let's get them on the calendar and start getting boots on the ground! Got it, lets plan on the 20th or 21st then. There's also a few options near Strong city at the the Tallgrass Prairie Reserve such as this one. https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/kansas/fox-creek-trail-loop |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:42:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just following the folks up front, but I'm looking at the Foretrex 601 Garand Thumb has a great video on Navigational tools  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lxk8HIvjIUQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Tactical_Bacon @Notcalifornialegal @Norsk_Snikskytter What kind of GPS were you guys using? I'm gonna need to get one pretty quick. I was just following the folks up front, but I'm looking at the Foretrex 601 Garand Thumb has a great video on Navigational tools https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lxk8HIvjIUI am a huge fan of my Foretrex 601. They are great. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:20:36 PM EDT
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@Ben
I had a couple questions from my AAR on the previous page that would benefit from your input. 1) What kind of hike is the 2 hour/6 mile time limit designed around? Non-mountainous road march, mild family hiking trail, rugged technical trail or something other? We probably don't want future hikes to be downhill, tailwind puds but we also probably don't want to make too many the hiking equivalent of Hell Week either. 2) How have other groups handled the mixed abilities in a group? Especially at these next few get togethers we may have a mix of people going for the 3 and 6 mile distances and a mix of abilities. Besides just turning a guy back a mile or two in and wishing him good luck (not exactly a safety or morale best practice) how do you handle someone who's not going to make the time cut without screwing the rest of the group? |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 1:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Ben I had a couple questions from my AAR on the previous page that would benefit from your input. 1) What kind of hike is the 2 hour/6 mile time limit designed around? Non-mountainous road march, mild family hiking trail, rugged technical trail or something other? We probably don't want future hikes to be downhill, tailwind puds but we also probably don't want to make too many the hiking equivalent of Hell Week either. 2) How have other groups handled the mixed abilities in a group? Especially at these next few get togethers we may have a mix of people going for the 3 and 6 mile distances and a mix of abilities. Besides just turning a guy back a mile or two in and wishing him good luck (not exactly a safety or morale best practice) how do you handle someone who's not going to make the time cut without screwing the rest of the group? Hey, sorry I missed answering this stuff before. The hike pace is designed around relatively flat or rolling terrain on a well beaten trail or dirt road. There is not, however, an adjustment of the time permissible for terrain. The idea is that when you have a given rating anyone can look at you and be reasonably certain you can be relied on to cover X distance at the standard hike condition pace in the conditions found in your area. In as far as handling mixed abilities, in Virginia once we have someone rated then they can hang back with a new guy if needed, or we make the rated guy slower by making him carry fire fighting equipment, or a mortar or anti-tank weapon ontop of his own gear. We also have simply tried to break into ability groups on the front end. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 1:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Tactical_Bacon @Notcalifornialegal @Norsk_Snikskytter What kind of GPS were you guys using? I'm gonna need to get one pretty quick. Garmin Fortrex 401. The 601 is superior and I’ll buy when when I break this one. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 2:15:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, sorry I missed answering this stuff before. The hike pace is designed around relatively flat or rolling terrain on a well beaten trail or dirt road. There is not, however, an adjustment of the time permissible for terrain. The idea is that when you have a given rating anyone can look at you and be reasonably certain you can be relied on to cover X distance at the standard hike condition pace in the conditions found in your area. In as far as handling mixed abilities, in Virginia once we have someone rated then they can hang back with a new guy if needed, or we make the rated guy slower by making him carry fire fighting equipment, or a mortar or anti-tank weapon on top of his own gear. We also have simply tried to break into ability groups on the front end. Thanks! That was more or less my thought pattern but wanted to make sure. I think once we get these first few knocked out and get folks certified it will be easier. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 2:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Garmin Fortrex 401. The 601 is superior and I’ll buy when when I break this one. Are you able to upload existing trails into it to stay on course or does it just tell you where you are on the globe and where you've been? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 11:28:39 AM EDT
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@Notcalifornialegal
Gents, would one/more of you be willing to create, monitor, and share an APC Kansas Chapter email so that we can post that on the APC Directory website so other Kansans can link up with you easier? Thanks much!! Suggested format is: apc.[state abbreviation].[chapter name]@_[protomail or other host]___.com You can post it here, or email it to the admin*americanpioneercorps.org email; we're still in the process of fixing up the Directory, so that webpage should be more complete soon. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 11:42:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Notcalifornialegal Gents, would one/more of you be willing to create, monitor, and share an APC Kansas Chapter email so that we can post that on the APC Directory website so other Kansans can link up with you easier? Thanks much!! Suggested format is: apc.[state abbreviation].[chapter name]@_[protomail or other host]___.com You can post it here, or email it to the admin*americanpioneercorps.org email; we're still in the process of fixing up the Directory, so that webpage should be more complete soon. Sure I'll get one created this evening and get it over to you guys. Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 12:06:18 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure I'll get one created this evening and get it over to you guys. Thanks! On the apc.(state).(chapter name is typically the locality where the chapter is centered)@ proton mail . com |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 12:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the apc.(state).(chapter name is typically the locality where the chapter is centered)@ proton mail . com Is it OK to have Notcalifornialegal serve as the state coordinator for Kansas? He's taken the bull by the horns and is doing everything right. Maybe my question is better phrased as "Should he just set up an APC.KS email and serve as the clearinghouse for all KS inquiries/comms until we get county/regional chapters established?" I think as of now we've had 4 Kansas residents at the inaugural hike (3 out of staters) and about a dozen or so express interest from around the state. My thought is that calling it the Dodge City chapter" may discourage folks in Lawrence 300 miles away from taking part. I may be overthinking this (that's my superpower). |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 1:07:56 PM EDT
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If ya'll are currently organizing state-wide, one KS email is fine; we're more than happy to add more emails to the website once it makes sense for you to align geographically
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On SMP, it's been awhile. It's been a long time since I've hiked/walked it. I always did paved trails, as most of the stuff not paved is for mtn bikes, or even separate horse trails. A big portion of it is part of the Mill Creek Streamway Trail.. It is probably entry level with some other portions a little more difficult. In my search I found JCPRD trail guide. SMP map One time earlier in my youth, I stuck it in the crazy and we did a run through Wyandotte Co Lake Trail, which would be similar to probably what you guys just did. https://www.alltrails.com/parks/us/kansas/wyandotte-county-lake-park https://www.wycokck.org/WycoKCK/media/Public-Works/Documents/Wyandotte-County-Lake-Park-Map.pdf I did not get out on Sunday, but that Olathe trail is beginner level. There are several different loops. I'll stop by there tomorrow to see about a map. It's been awhile but I rode mtn bikes out in blue springs at Burr Woods that's part of MDC. I'm sure there's plenty of hiking there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @KC215 Have you hiked Shawnee Mission park? Is it a moderate trail anyone can do or is it on the rugged side? Any other trail networks ranging from bike/jogging paths to moderate trails you'd recommend instead? Edit - I just saw you mentioned the Olathe Prairie Trail in an earlier post. It's a 2.7 mile loop so almost perfect for people wanting to qualify for 3 or 6 miles and it looks like a much more tame trail than the one we just did so a little more friendly to beginners. On SMP, it's been awhile. It's been a long time since I've hiked/walked it. I always did paved trails, as most of the stuff not paved is for mtn bikes, or even separate horse trails. A big portion of it is part of the Mill Creek Streamway Trail.. It is probably entry level with some other portions a little more difficult. In my search I found JCPRD trail guide. SMP map One time earlier in my youth, I stuck it in the crazy and we did a run through Wyandotte Co Lake Trail, which would be similar to probably what you guys just did. https://www.alltrails.com/parks/us/kansas/wyandotte-county-lake-park https://www.wycokck.org/WycoKCK/media/Public-Works/Documents/Wyandotte-County-Lake-Park-Map.pdf I did not get out on Sunday, but that Olathe trail is beginner level. There are several different loops. I'll stop by there tomorrow to see about a map. It's been awhile but I rode mtn bikes out in blue springs at Burr Woods that's part of MDC. I'm sure there's plenty of hiking there. I take my kids (ages 4, 6,7, and 11) to shawnee mission park and hike the trails there frequently. They are little more than unpaved sidewalks for the most part, and there is almost zero elevation change, and maybe a few spots where you're walking over rocks instead of beaten down dirt. @Lomshek @kc215 |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 7:15:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I take my kids (ages 4, 6,7, and 11) to shawnee mission park and hike the trails there frequently. They are little more than unpaved sidewalks for the most part, and there is almost zero elevation change, and maybe a few spots where you're walking over rocks instead of beaten down dirt. @Lomshek @kc215 Thanks! Sounds like that would be a good location for a KC metro hike. I found this topo map of all the trails at Shawnee Mission Park. Looks like we could make a good loop out of the red and purple trails. If you have any other suggestions you think would work we'd be glad to hear them. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 9:07:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If ya'll are currently organizing state-wide, one KS email is fine; we're more than happy to add more emails to the website once it makes sense for you to align geographically @jenzilla @ben Email added.
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Posted: 2/5/2021 12:29:40 AM EDT
[#23]
There's also Kill Creek Park which is not too far from Mill Creek Rifle Club in Desoto. It's a few miles straight South of Desoto.
I've only drove through the place. I've thought of taking my mountain bike over there but never have. Kill Creek TOPO map |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 10:53:10 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @jenzilla @ben Email added. Thanks much all, have fun hiking! |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 9:16:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Need a book? Let me know and I can have em at the next event.
@HighPlains1911 @KC215 @Austin1911 |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 9:29:40 PM EDT
[#26]
I’d happily take one. Thanks!
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:08:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Rob & his son could use a couple too.
They’ll be at the March 13 event. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:24:53 PM EDT
[#28]
I'm not certain I'll make it to the March event, so I'll just order it myself.
Thanks Had a great time, but may not be able to walk tomorrow. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:42:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not certain I'll make it to the March event, so I'll just order it myself. Thanks Had a great time, but may not be able to walk tomorrow. Definitely going to be moving slow here! LOL |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:37:46 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Need a book? Let me know and I can have em at the next event. @HighPlains1911 @KC215 @Austin1911 |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 10:37:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Before I plan # 4 I want to see about getting some feedback from everyone who's participated and would like to participate.
Where would you like to have the next hike? What type of tie in would you like to see? |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 10:02:12 AM EDT
[#32]
@kc215
@austin1911 @CPTCARL The impending birth of my daughter precludes me from taking part in the next hike in April. KC215, I believe you mentioned there being an area near you that you thought would work well. Do you have a link to it? I'm thinking of scheduling it the weekend of the 17th and 18th. |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 11:26:47 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @kc215 @austin1911 @CPTCARL The impending birth of my daughter precludes me from taking part in the next hike in April. KC215, I believe you mentioned there being an area near you that you thought would work well. Do you have a link to it? I'm thinking of scheduling it the weekend of the 17th and 18th. 17/18 April works for me. Work + turkey season are cranking up in April and that is about the only weekend that is open for me (at the moment). Looking forward to being able to participate! |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 11:28:58 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 17/18 April works for me. Work + turkey season are cranking up in April and that is about the only weekend that is open for me (at the moment). Looking forward to being able to participate! Also just realized we have an Appleseed that weekend. If we have it the weekend before or after would that still work? |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 11:57:11 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @kc215 @austin1911 @CPTCARL The impending birth of my daughter precludes me from taking part in the next hike in April. KC215, I believe you mentioned there being an area near you that you thought would work well. Do you have a link to it? I'm thinking of scheduling it the weekend of the 17th and 18th. I'm teaching an Appleseed class the weekend of the 17-18 and my wife's birthday is the weekend before that so I'd only be available on the 24th or 25th. Don't schedule it around me but just wanted to get that out there. I will be at the May 15th medical class and hike in Mound Valley (2 hours east of Wichita if anyone's wondering). |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 12:53:25 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks! Sounds like that would be a good location for a KC metro hike. I found this topo map of all the trails at Shawnee Mission Park. Looks like we could make a good loop out of the red and purple trails. If you have any other suggestions you think would work we'd be glad to hear them. This would work or possible Kill Creek Park, bc5000 posted about up a few posts. There are 3-4 places within 20-30 minutes of me here on the west side of KC. I mean we can also get on the jo co streamway parks trail in several places. Rifles might be an issue, as most of these wind around/through neighborhoods. |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 12:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This would work or possible Kill Creek Park, bc5000 posted about up a few posts. There are 3-4 places within 20-30 minutes of me here on the west side of KC. I mean we can also get on the jo co streamway parks trail in several places. Rifles might be an issue, as most of these wind around/through neighborhoods. Extra 10 pounds should do it then. Also the more remote the better. |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 12:58:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This would work or possible Kill Creek Park, bc5000 posted about up a few posts. There are 3-4 places within 20-30 minutes of me here on the west side of KC. I mean we can also get on the jo co streamway parks trail in several places. Rifles might be an issue, as most of these wind around/through neighborhoods. I'm not the boss of anyone but would strongly suggest no guns visible in metro KC to avoid becoming a news headline. There are plenty of pro-gun cops and people in JoCo but a couple Karens calling 911 in hysterics about an armed attack on a family walking path will generate a significant response. |
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Posted: 3/18/2021 12:37:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also just realized we have an Appleseed that weekend. If we have it the weekend before or after would that still work? I'm working the weekend prior and will be out of state the weekend following. I'll make one of the hikes eventually! |
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Posted: 3/18/2021 2:57:44 PM EDT
[#40]
If @KC215 is available and doesn't mind serving as hike host (arrange the time & location and bring a scale) I'd suggest letting him set the date.
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Posted: 3/19/2021 1:49:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Ha
You give me too much credit.... I’ll see what I can do. |
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Posted: 3/19/2021 5:46:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Don’t know much about it but Ernie Miller park has paved and unpaved trails. Pretty short course and small park. It is also a nature center so might have to work around other groups learning about nature.
Map Something to research if you need a western joco area. Just south of K-10 on K-7 |
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Posted: 3/20/2021 8:27:16 AM EDT
[#43]
I totally forgot about Ernie Miller.
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Posted: 5/18/2021 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Looking at potentially having a Sunday hike near Wichita next month.
Any good spots nearby? |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 3:07:06 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking at potentially having a Sunday hike near Wichita next month. Any good spots nearby? Santa Fe Lake trail is one possibility. It's on the east edge of Wichita and is a 4.4 mile loop. I raced mountain bikes there in the early 90's. Not much for elevation (duh) but a woods kind of hiking/biking trail. |
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Posted: 6/23/2021 11:47:53 PM EDT
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Any interest in this? We might be able to get more folks over from the surrounding states as well.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Want-APC-to-bring-free-training-to-you-Make-your-case-for-a-mobile-training-team-24Jul2021-/5-2464085/?r=-1&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom |
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