Posted: 11/18/2014 9:55:58 AM EDT
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Come on guys write your state reps....we need to be doing what Texas is doing. Also lets not make this about CCW vs Open Carry. Open carry needs to be a law in this state....you can open carry in CT for crying out loud. |
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I'm not a big open carry proponent, but has anyone even been "shot first" because they were open carrying? Do robbers walk into a store and see someone OC'ing and decide to commit a murder and robbery instead of just waiting for the person to leave? Do criminals shoot police officers who are 'open carrying' so they can get them out of the way and commit whatever crime they were going to commit in the first place?
There are reasons to CC instead of OC, but I don't think getting 'shot first' is one of them. |
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Yeah man. Open carry is not something I'm down with. #1 reason is as Smokey stated above. #2 is that we have a LOT of ignorant folks who would most likely replicate the idiocy of carrying ARs into a KFC... I believe the whole premise is skewed. This. Unfortunately, a lot of our state's demographic are on the side of stupid. There's a reason our state motto is 'hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this'. We'd be laughing stocks like the OC Texas tards. |
| I have mixed feelings on this. I have a feeling the turds that decide to carry rifles around will cause businesses to allow no carrying or cause other changes. Maybe if it only applied to pistols. Even then, I still wouldn't open carry. It would be nice to be able to just set it on the seat next to you or somewhere else that wouldn't require you to open a compartment to access it. |
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Plus it pisses off liberals. Which happen to be the tourist segment targeted by Myrtle Beach and the Holy Empire of Charleston. Don't skeer the pasty white yankees! Thusly, we see Chamber of Commerce jerkwads constantly aligned against our civil rights. |
| This thread made me realize i havent received any mail from Palmetto Gun Rights recently. The last time i sent a donation, i checked the box for them to work on constitutional carry as a main focus. Time to start calling and writing my good-for-nothings again. |
| Retired Cop...I carry every day religiously...concealed. While the vast majority of us may not open carry if legal, the guy I saw last weekend at Walmart will. Jackleg lifted his shirt, removed his magazine from his previously concealed firearm, then proceeds to inquire as to the availability of "these here green tip zombie killer bullets", as he displays a mag full to all at the counter. Guy looked like Jim Varney and Courtney Love's lovechild...True Story! SMH... |
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Retired Cop...I carry every day religiously...concealed. While the vast majority of us may not open carry if legal, the guy I saw last weekend at Walmart will. Jackleg lifted his shirt, removed his magazine from his previously concealed firearm, then proceeds to inquire as to the availability of "these here green tip zombie killer bullets", as he displays a mag full to all at the counter. Guy looked like Jim Varney and Courtney Love's lovechild...True Story! SMH... It was Wal-Mart. You always need to expect the unexpected there. That guy sounds like somebody that shouldn't have a CCP. |
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Retired Cop...I carry every day religiously...concealed. While the vast majority of us may not open carry if legal, the guy I saw last weekend at Walmart will. Jackleg lifted his shirt, removed his magazine from his previously concealed firearm, then proceeds to inquire as to the availability of "these here green tip zombie killer bullets", as he displays a mag full to all at the counter. Guy looked like Jim Varney and Courtney Love's lovechild...True Story! SMH... Or the moron who whipped out a loaded Ruger GP 100 at a local hardware store. "How else am I gonna try on a holster?". 
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I'm not a big open carry proponent, but has anyone even been "shot first" because they were open carrying? Do robbers walk into a store and see someone OC'ing and decide to commit a murder and robbery instead of just waiting for the person to leave? Do criminals shoot police officers who are 'open carrying' so they can get them out of the way and commit whatever crime they were going to commit in the first place? There are reasons to CC instead of OC, but I don't think getting 'shot first' is one of them. Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. |
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Regardless of anyone's preference or feelings about concealed or open carry, open carry should not be restricted for law abiding citizens. We should not be subject to police action for having the option of exercising a constitutionally protected right.
Have the people been held under the thumb of subtle oppression so long that they have forgotten what freedom looks like? Isnt this the state where the people pride themselves for their heritage of opposition of governent overreach? Should I, the decendent of American slaves, jim crow era blacks, and native Americans (i've been told), really be the one lecturing you all about fighting for your freedom and rights? What the natural fuck, guys? Are you kidding me AND my balls?
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Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. Quoted:
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I'm not a big open carry proponent, but has anyone even been "shot first" because they were open carrying? Do robbers walk into a store and see someone OC'ing and decide to commit a murder and robbery instead of just waiting for the person to leave? Do criminals shoot police officers who are 'open carrying' so they can get them out of the way and commit whatever crime they were going to commit in the first place? There are reasons to CC instead of OC, but I don't think getting 'shot first' is one of them. Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. What??? Restriction of open carry IS an infringment on your right to carry, openly. Open carry is no more posturing to be a badass anymore than concealed carry. Consider all the people that think you are trying to let people know you are "bad" enough to carry concealed. Or "bad" enough to carry concealed into an establishment where alcohol is served. It is the exact same mindset. Other peoples fear and feelings do not override my ability to protect my kids. Do their fear of guns translate to a restriction of open carry for cops? Cause I know plenty of people afraid of both guns AND cops, and i dont see any police respecting that fear by not open carrying. |
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Quoted: Regardless of anyone's preference or feelings about concealed or open carry, open carry should not be restricted for law abiding citizens. We should not be subject to police action for having the option of exercising a constitutionally protected right. Have the people been held under the thumb of subtle oppression so long that they have forgotten what freedom looks like? Isnt this the state where the people pride themselves for their heritage of opposition of governent overreach? Should I, the decendent of American slaves, jim crow era blacks, and native Americans (i've been told), really be the one lecturing you all about fighting for your freedom and rights? What the natural fuck, guys? Are you kidding me AND my balls? |
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Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? |
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I get that we don't want our rights infringed upon but personally I would never OC. How many of you guys would Reveal instead of Conceal if we had the legal ability.
I know this falls under the "opinions are like..." but my feelings are that I can draw and get on target just fine without carrying open. The difference is one is a surprise while the other is not... |
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This. Unfortunately, a lot of our state's demographic are on the side of stupid. There's a reason our state motto is 'hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this'. We'd be laughing stocks like the OC Texas tards. Quoted:
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Yeah man. Open carry is not something I'm down with. #1 reason is as Smokey stated above. #2 is that we have a LOT of ignorant folks who would most likely replicate the idiocy of carrying ARs into a KFC... I believe the whole premise is skewed. This. Unfortunately, a lot of our state's demographic are on the side of stupid. There's a reason our state motto is 'hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this'. We'd be laughing stocks like the OC Texas tards. As a matter of fact, almost half of South Carolinians are below average in smarts. |
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I get that we don't want our rights infringed upon but personally I would never OC. How many of you guys would Reveal instead of Conceal if we had the legal ability. I know this falls under the "opinions are like..." but my feelings are that I can draw and get on target just fine without carrying open. The difference is one is a surprise while the other is not... I would open carry now and then. Right now you can open carry on your way to hunting, fishing, or the range. Id like tl be able to grab a soda or some slim jims with out having to hide my pistol. Also just walking around my complex walkin my old dog, opening carrying might change the minds of those my dogs friendly and doesnt need a leash (even tbough its city and complex bylaws) that the hoa just lets run a muck. Especially some of these pits that seem to have more muscle then their owner. Now as far as open carrying rifles as protest or because i think thats silly. I wouldnt mind having a gun rack in the cab of my truck and not be hasseled about it. By taking my ar to waffle house or walmart isnt for me. |
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Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? Quoted:
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Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? Believe me, I understand where you're coming from, but we're under attack every minute of every day from the anti-gunners. I guess my point is that Target, Starbucks, Chipotle, etc never had a policy either way regarding people carrying in their stores but as soon as some idiots decided to show off and flaunt their right to carry their AR's, these businesses asked people not to bring firearms into their stores. As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky they've only asked and haven't msde their stores into Gun Free Zones. Sometimes you're just better off maintaining a low profile. This is in addition to everything I said in my original post about losing the tactical advantage. |
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Believe me, I understand where you're coming from, but we're under attack every minute of every day from the anti-gunners. I guess my point is that Target, Starbucks, Chipotle, etc never had a policy either way regarding people carrying in their stores but as soon as some idiots decided to show off and flaunt their right to carry their AR's, these businesses asked people not to bring firearms into their stores. As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky they've only asked and haven't msde their stores into Gun Free Zones. Sometimes you're just better off maintaining a low profile. This is in addition to everything I said in my original post about losing the tactical advantage. Quoted:
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Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? Believe me, I understand where you're coming from, but we're under attack every minute of every day from the anti-gunners. I guess my point is that Target, Starbucks, Chipotle, etc never had a policy either way regarding people carrying in their stores but as soon as some idiots decided to show off and flaunt their right to carry their AR's, these businesses asked people not to bring firearms into their stores. As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky they've only asked and haven't msde their stores into Gun Free Zones. Sometimes you're just better off maintaining a low profile. This is in addition to everything I said in my original post about losing the tactical advantage. When attacked, go on the offensive. Give them an inch to "quell" their irrational fears and they will go after your concealed carry as well. |
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there are 2 reasons I would like to see open carry in SC.
1: If my concealed carry happens to become not so concealed ... I do not want to face brandishing or other potential felonies. 2: Gun free zones are a call to aggressors for helpless victims. pro gun zones are an active deterrent to that helplessness. Open carry does not make you the first victim, it makes you the first responder and the shining light of safety. Boldly open carrying, in my opinion is a blatant F-you to anyone who is thinking of doing wrong but too scared to have ballistic opposition to said wrong doing. proudly carrying, and wish I could let the bad guys know that they are not the only ones with guns. |
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Let me clarify my position......
1st, as a Constitutional Fundamentalist, I believe Open Carry should be legal....I support no restrictions. 2nd, as a father of three and a student of the gun, public OC serves no purpose. It is tactically unsound and an invitation to escalation.... I have studied self defense, taught cops and citizens alike, and carried weapons my entire life......WHY anyone would publicly flaunt their last option escapes me... |
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2: Gun free zones are a call to aggressors for helpless victims. pro gun zones are an active deterrent to that helplessness. Open carry does not make you the first victim, it makes you the first responder and the shining light of safety. Boldly open carrying, in my opinion is a blatant F-you to anyone who is thinking of doing wrong but too scared to have ballistic opposition to said wrong doiing. I know that we have a fundamental difference of opinion here, but at least we're all on the same side and I do agree with your statement about gun-free zones. That being said, I don't understand how OC makes a person more of a first responder than CC. Also, my purpose in carrying isn't to make a bold statement that I'm everybody's protector. It's basically for the protection of myself and my family. I would have to be 110% sure of the circumstances in order to come to the aid of others. Not understanding EXACTLY what has transpired could cause a fatal mistake that could cost you dearly for the rest of your life. Boldly open carrying is also a blatant F-you to those people who are just plain fearful of guns or anybody carrying one. As I said in one of my previous posts, I'll respect that as long as they don't try to take my rights. No reason to be confrontational with them. |
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Prior to now living in the Charleston area, I lived in NH and Indiana. Both of those states allowed Open Carry. I myself OC'd when it was convenient. Never have had one problem OC'ing. I'm surprised some of you "gun lovers" don't seem to support a constitutional right. Who cares if a small few people will make assed out of themselves. You all owe it to your fellow man to support any law that reinforces the constitution, including OC. I'm still surprised coming from my last two states (one in Yankee New England, and other North Midwest) that are more free, and less taxes then this state. |
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Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? Quoted:
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Personally I just don't see a purpose to OC other than just walking around and letting people know you're "bad" enough to carry a gun. CC affords a tactical advantage that I immediately give up if I'm OCing. If im in a 7-Eleven and bad guys burst in with guns the last thing I want them to know is that I'm armed. If they spot my gun, best case is I'll be disarmed and worst case is I'll be shot. Face the facts that there are people who are afraid of guns and we should respect their right to feel that way as long as they don't attempt to infringe on my right to own/carry. We don't do our cause any good when we walk around openly displaying a pistol strapped to our side (I own five) or proudly carrying our menacing looking black rifles (I own two). There are just too many good reasons not to OC and I can't really think of any good reasons to do so. Did I stumble onto the NJ forum? "As long as they allow my gun, what do I care? I'll appease them and they'll leave me alone" That's exactly the mindset the FUDs up there and look how their gun rights get trampled more and more every year. But really...Since when does another individuals irrational fears allow my personal rights to be infringed upon? Saturn hit it on the nail! What happened to this state? Since political correctness and the :"I'm offended" club has begun to take over this country. It sickens me, but it seems we are now catering to people's emotions, entitlement mindsets and "oh look at me, I'm a drama queen" types.   
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I came down here from VA. The part of VA where guns are ok to have, not the NOVA area.
I would go for a hike with my pistol on my side, stop by wal mart and a gas station, and just do things that needed to be done. I did that for a few years and never had one problem. Not one word was said to me about it. Not even the police that got fuel at the same gas station. I never felt that I gave up a "tactical advantage". If some mofo comes busting in the door hell bent on robbing the place you are already on the defense. If it takes you 1/10 of a second to left the shirt off the gun, then you just lost time in a gun fight. If you can simply pull the gun out with no added steps then you are faster at defending yourself. The tactical advantage to me is BS, unless you see this shit coming from a mile away. The would be robbers could be working in a team and send one guy in to scope it out. At that point they are going to do a couple things. A-wait for you to leave or B-try fighting you. If they try fighting you just because you have a gun then they fucked up bad. The snatch and grab is fucked, and now someone is bleeding on the floor. Even after I recived my CHP I still OC'ed. Not as much though. So in true ARFCOM fashion GET BOTH. Seriously some gun owners are so fucking dead set on what THEY think is right to even think about someone else's idea. Kinda pisses me off honestly. There is a difference in carry a handgun on the hip and an AR on your back though. The good ol', double edge sword
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I'm a firearms mfg/dealer, so I open carry when I'm at work or when I'm doing certain work related activities. This is only because there is a certain risk involved with my business and I need quick access to a firearm if someone tries to rob my shop. Otherwise, I conceal. I don't want to be any more of a target than I have to.
Fishing and hunting I open carry too, but that's cause it's the dirty south. |
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I get that we don't want our rights infringed upon but personally I would never OC. How many of you guys would Reveal instead of Conceal if we had the legal ability. I know this falls under the "opinions are like..." but my feelings are that I can draw and get on target just fine without carrying open. The difference is one is a surprise while the other is not... No we isn't |
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I'm a firearms mfg/dealer, so I open carry when I'm at work or when I'm doing certain work related activities. This is only because there is a certain risk involved with my business and I need quick access to a firearm if someone tries to rob my shop. Otherwise, I conceal. I don't want to be any more of a target than I have to. Fishing and hunting I open carry too, but that's cause it's the dirty south. The guys and gals who work at the indoor range where my wife and I are members open carry within their walls. Makes nice conversation when I see one of them with something new. |
I am offended that Ohio just got Shall Sign NFA in a gun law reform package signed by Gov. Kasich this month. 
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I am offended that Ohio just got Shall Sign NFA in a gun law reform package signed by Gov. Kasich this month. I am offended that you are offended. |
