Posted: 3/23/2013 4:29:17 AM EDT
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Found this gem in the NJ statues...
Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container, which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm. A large capacity ammunition magazine that has been permanently altered so that it is not capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition will cease to be defined as a "large capacity ammunition magazine." An ammunition magazine, which has been temporarily blocked or modified from holding more than 15 rounds, as by a piece of wood or a pin, is still considered to be a "large capacity ammunition magazine." I was at a gunshop thursday and they were selling plastic Pmag blocking devices. Looked like an insert. I dont thing that is going to cut it. Seems only pin and welding steel will. |
| It's a matter of temporary vs. permanent blocking. Read the law again. Permanently blocking a magazine is your goal. A piece of plastic and a non removable pin along with epoxy will be fine. Pulling the plate off and throwing a chunk of wood in the magazine then placing the base plate back, without making it irreversible, is not acceptable. |
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It's a matter of temporary vs. permanent blocking. Read the law again. Permanently blocking a magazine is your goal. A piece of plastic and a non removable pin along with epoxy will be fine. Pulling the plate off and throwing a chunk of wood in the magazine then placing the base plate back, without making it irreversible, is not acceptable. In that case, everyone who owns a Riflegear 15-round PMag is in violation of the law. |
| Apples and oranges. The BATFE defines what a permanently installed muzzle device is, and how it's done. There isn't an outline or defination about how to permanently block a magazine. There aren't (to my knowledge) cases in NJ where this law has been tested. Permanent is defined as everlasting or unchanging. Can epoxy be everlasting? When I got some mags in PA and used the garage of a friend, in PA, I used a Kydex block cut to fit, epoxied them together, installed them, epoxied the base plate in place, then drilled a hole through part of the baseplate and part of the mag and installed a roll pin. I'd define that as unchanging. If I could pop off a baseplate at the range and pull out a block, I don't think of that as permenent. |
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Does NJSP consider epoxy permenent? Is it considered permenent if I epoxy a muzzle break on a threaded barrel ? I dont think so.. We don't know as neither the NJSP or the AG's office have ever given us any guidelines. 
With that said pinning and welding are the way to go. |
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If I were an unscrupulous prosecutor or investigator trying to make a case...
I would just cut the bottom off your 15 round mags, remove the spring and follower and fill the mags with ammo. With no spring or follower the 15 round mag will take way more than 15 rounds. Turn the gun upside down and press the rounds as you fire the rifle. Crude, but it works. Case made, your honor. Convict this New Jersey felon.... There is a reason NJSP has not put in writing what "permanent" means. They want as much wiggle room as possible when they end up prosecuting an iffy case. |
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Found this gem in the NJ statues... Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container, which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm. A large capacity ammunition magazine that has been permanently altered so that it is not capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition will cease to be defined as a "large capacity ammunition magazine." An ammunition magazine, which has been temporarily blocked or modified from holding more than 15 rounds, as by a piece of wood or a pin, is still considered to be a "large capacity ammunition magazine." I was at a gunshop thursday and they were selling plastic Pmag blocking devices. Looked like an insert. I dont thing that is going to cut it. Seems only pin and welding steel will. Where exactly did you find this in the statutes? |
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http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
N.J.A.C. 13:54-5.5 Large capacity magazines its like the 30 somethingth page. Just before the section that tells what dealers should do in case of a cicil disturbance...  
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If I were an unscrupulous prosecutor or investigator trying to make a case... I would just cut the bottom off your 15 round mags, remove the spring and follower and fill the mags with ammo. With no spring or follower the 15 round mag will take way more than 15 rounds. Turn the gun upside down and press the rounds as you fire the rifle. Crude, but it works. Case made, your honor. Convict this New Jersey felon.... There is a reason NJSP has not put in writing what "permanent" means. They want as much wiggle room as possible when they end up prosecuting an iffy case. Rather case dismissed. It's called evidence tampering and would destroy any case the prosecution may have had. The reason why the NJSP has not defined what "permanent" means is that they are not the legislative body and can not pass laws. A few years back, the superintendent released a "directive" about hicap mags blocked to 15 rounders, but it was not law. |
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If I were an unscrupulous prosecutor or investigator trying to make a case... I would just cut the bottom off your 15 round mags, remove the spring and follower and fill the mags with ammo. With no spring or follower the 15 round mag will take way more than 15 rounds. Turn the gun upside down and press the rounds as you fire the rifle. Crude, but it works. Case made, your honor. Convict this New Jersey felon.... There is a reason NJSP has not put in writing what "permanent" means. They want as much wiggle room as possible when they end up prosecuting an iffy case. Rather case dismissed. It's called evidence tampering and would destroy any case the prosecution may have had. The reason why the NJSP has not defined what "permanent" means is that they are not the legislative body and can not pass laws. A few years back, the superintendent released a "directive" about hicap mags blocked to 15 rounders, but it was not law. Be sure to tell the SP that. It was explained to me by them (when I had an FFL in N.J.) that they were THE regulating agency in N.J. for firearms. I know they don't make the laws, but they do seem to enjoy making them up. For instance, why would they say active duty police can not personally own full auto firearms when the statute is quite clear upon that point? It's only evidence tampering if you get someone with enough juice behind them to say it is.... |