Posted: 3/9/2013 9:23:39 AM EDT
Even some of their own employees were laughing.
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It is what it is. Tips Hardware in Tuckerton had CCI Standard .22LR for $34.99 a brick of 500 last week. I bought 2 bricks at Salomons two weeks ago for $30.99. Id pay that all day. The price isnt what pissed me off about the Cheyenne, it was the fact that it was repackaged to 200 rounds and they only let you have one. |
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It is what it is. Tips Hardware in Tuckerton had CCI Standard .22LR for $34.99 a brick of 500 last week. I bought 2 bricks at Salomons two weeks ago for $30.99. Id pay that all day. The price isnt what pissed me off about the Cheyenne, it was the fact that it was repackaged to 200 rounds and they only let you have one. I was there last Sunday and they were rationing out 5.56 to 20 rounds per customer!! $1.00 per round. |
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How does supply and demand work? Are you serious? Very... I have been in the firearms industry 9 years. OK- Wiki: pretty good and concise explanation. "The four basic laws of supply and demand are: If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price. If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price." Equilibrium is the point on a graph where demand curve and supply curve meet. So, under normal market conditions, manufacturers have the optimum number of product in the market to satisfy the demand under those circumstances. Now IF there are unusual (FEAR) entering the buyers' minds more people will show up to purchase the available supply. When retailers see they can't keep enough of this product on their shelves and the manufacturer can't expand his production in the short term, this now rarer item can demand a higher price, and it could continue to rises as the same or MORE buyers want this product. Now the manufacturer may NOT be increasing his price, but his distrubutors, and channels sales people can. Why? Because they know that once they run out, they will have no more to sell. To prevent that they raise the price till they have just a bit of inventory. Gouging: Asking a ridiculous amount of money for a given object. Ie. MSRP AR is $1500, manufacturer does NOT raise his price, seller (distibutor, dealer) can ask 3-4x what the MSRP is: $4,500-6,000.00 OR until no one will pay the asking price. The price could ome down under the following conditions. Holding the inventory costs opportunity dollars and could push the price lower, the fear leaves the buyers, or a new supply has been created somewhere some how. Help? |
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All very true.
However, Cheyenne outfitters (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) suck. They have always sucked, they suck now and they will suck in the future. Keep your powder dry. The prices will stay somewhat elevated, but supply will come back as this peace craze blows over.... |
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All very true. However, Cheyenne outfitters (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) suck. They have always sucked, they suck now and they will suck in the future. Keep your powder dry. The prices will stay somewhat elevated, but supply will come back as this peace craze blows over.... Agreed. That's why any serious shooter should also be a reloader IMHO. Ammo shortage? Really where? Not in my House. 
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The store I buy my ammo from is selling it for the same price as 6 months ago. They are limiting sales by caliber (2 boxes per) to control the flow and restricting certain ammo to range customers only. I purchased 175 rounds of Federal 12 gauge OO Buck in an ammo can for $129 yesterday, same price I have been paying for 2 years.
I really doubt Remington is telling LGS to sell Golden Bullets at 3 times the normal price in Ziploc bags, I can't see anyone but Cheyenne coming off as the shit face here. Anyone who wants to come in here and bitch about gouging should A: do a mandatory 6 months in SF, B: take Retail 101 again and C:STFU, you knew 6 months ago Obama was going to win again and this was going to happen regardless of which national tragedy it was piggy backed onto. |
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How does supply and demand work? Are you serious? Very... I have been in the firearms industry 9 years. OK- Wiki: pretty good and concise explanation. "The four basic laws of supply and demand are: If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price. If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price." Equilibrium is the point on a graph where demand curve and supply curve meet. So, under normal market conditions, manufacturers have the optimum number of product in the market to satisfy the demand under those circumstances. Now IF there are unusual (FEAR) entering the buyers' minds more people will show up to purchase the available supply. When retailers see they can't keep enough of this product on their shelves and the manufacturer can't expand his production in the short term, this now rarer item can demand a higher price, and it could continue to rises as the same or MORE buyers want this product. Now the manufacturer may NOT be increasing his price, but his distrubutors, and channels sales people can. Why? Because they know that once they run out, they will have no more to sell. To prevent that they raise the price till they have just a bit of inventory. Gouging: Asking a ridiculous amount of money for a given object. Ie. MSRP AR is $1500, manufacturer does NOT raise his price, seller (distibutor, dealer) can ask 3-4x what the MSRP is: $4,500-6,000.00 OR until no one will pay the asking price. The price could ome down under the following conditions. Holding the inventory costs opportunity dollars and could push the price lower, the fear leaves the buyers, or a new supply has been created somewhere some how. Help? Now that it has been defined, do you agree that they should be allowed to do it? I say that of course they can, but we as consumers can also keep that in mind when making, or more likely not making, any future purchases from them. That is easy for me in this situation as their prices and attitude have sucked for years, including when they were still Harry's. I would rather stick with good shops like the one who may not be named in Winslow, NJ who sells **** and **** (would it have been OK for me to have said what he sells?). Matt, it is good to still see you stop by here. Enjoy your freedom over there  If you ever have some interesting classes over there let me know, as I would be happy to shoot with you again.
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Quoted: A, we are not. A 3-5 month supply that distributors, manufactures, and retailers had on hand was sold in the last two weeks of December. At my store we did a million dollars of worth of sales those two weeks. We even had a 120K sales day in January. As time went on we increased the prices of fast selling firearms, and limited the amount of ammo people could by at one time. We had one customer who wanted to buy 10K rounds of 223/556 and 6K of 9mm at one time. We turned him down. From Christmas to new years we held off on selling the ARs we had received in that time so we could get a fair ammount of stock built up and to make our January figures look better. In one week we sold 60+ semi auto rifles, at one rifle per person per day. We had several customers who had spent over 20K with us in the last weeks of December and first weeks of January.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How does supply and demand work? Are you serious? Very... I have been in the firearms industry 9 years. OK- Wiki: pretty good and concise explanation. "The four basic laws of supply and demand are: If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price. If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price." Equilibrium is the point on a graph where demand curve and supply curve meet. So, under normal market conditions, manufacturers have the optimum number of product in the market to satisfy the demand under those circumstances. Now IF there are unusual (FEAR) entering the buyers' minds more people will show up to purchase the available supply. When retailers see they can't keep enough of this product on their shelves and the manufacturer can't expand his production in the short term, this now rarer item can demand a higher price, and it could continue to rises as the same or MORE buyers want this product. Now the manufacturer may NOT be increasing his price, but his distrubutors, and channels sales people can. Why? Because they know that once they run out, they will have no more to sell. To prevent that they raise the price till they have just a bit of inventory. Gouging: Asking a ridiculous amount of money for a given object. Ie. MSRP AR is $1500, manufacturer does NOT raise his price, seller (distibutor, dealer) can ask 3-4x what the MSRP is: $4,500-6,000.00 OR until no one will pay the asking price. The price could ome down under the following conditions. Holding the inventory costs opportunity dollars and could push the price lower, the fear leaves the buyers, or a new supply has been created somewhere some how. Help? If we had not limited ammo and raised prices as supply dropped and demeaned sky rocketed our shelves would be bare. Almost four months later we still have some product to offer our customers. We get many customers who are driving from Cape May County, Long Island, and central NY state just to buy 2 boxes of 9mm, 2 boxes of 45, 2 boxes of 38, 2 boxes of 40cal and on brick of 22lr. B, People are paying what the market will bare. There is no price gouging, no one is making people pay the prices. If someone is willing to pay 4K for an AR then they are free to do what they want with their money (no matter how stupid they are). ATK (federal CCI,) had recently announced a 10% increase centerfire ammo and 15% increase on rimfire ammo. If people are wanting prices to get back to normal then stop panic buying! Are these necessities in life to live? No! They are not food, water, lesbian porn  , gas, heating oil, clothing, and housing etc. People had 4 years to prepare for the second coming of the 0bama.For 50+hrs a week I get constantly asked what laws were passed, what are they going to to, why is or why is that hard to find, why has the price gone up etc. Hell I told on wack job that DHS bought up all the 22lr ammo for the FEMA camps as it is cheaper to use one 22lr then it is to produce on cubic foot of carbon monoxide. I even told someone that since a 22 LR can go 1.5 miles Eric Holder needed them for all of his drones. I get people who are fired up willing to go to protests right letters join the NRA (I just became a life member, I had not had a membership with them for over 10 years because they have done jack shit for NJ). There are some people who are defeatist who think everything is going away and are selling their ARs. There are people asking for the machine gun that killed the kids, people asking for assault weapons. It sucks, The industry is insane. In short people need to cowboy up and calm the fuck down! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How does supply and demand work? Are you serious? Very... I have been in the firearms industry 9 years. OK- Wiki: pretty good and concise explanation. "The four basic laws of supply and demand are: If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price. If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price. If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price." Equilibrium is the point on a graph where demand curve and supply curve meet. So, under normal market conditions, manufacturers have the optimum number of product in the market to satisfy the demand under those circumstances. Now IF there are unusual (FEAR) entering the buyers' minds more people will show up to purchase the available supply. When retailers see they can't keep enough of this product on their shelves and the manufacturer can't expand his production in the short term, this now rarer item can demand a higher price, and it could continue to rises as the same or MORE buyers want this product. Now the manufacturer may NOT be increasing his price, but his distrubutors, and channels sales people can. Why? Because they know that once they run out, they will have no more to sell. To prevent that they raise the price till they have just a bit of inventory. Gouging: Asking a ridiculous amount of money for a given object. Ie. MSRP AR is $1500, manufacturer does NOT raise his price, seller (distibutor, dealer) can ask 3-4x what the MSRP is: $4,500-6,000.00 OR until no one will pay the asking price. The price could ome down under the following conditions. Holding the inventory costs opportunity dollars and could push the price lower, the fear leaves the buyers, or a new supply has been created somewhere some how. Help? Now that it has been defined, do you agree that they should be allowed to do it? I say that of course they can, but we as consumers can also keep that in mind when making, or more likely not making, any future purchases from them. That is easy for me in this situation as their prices and attitude have sucked for years, including when they were still Harry's. I would rather stick with good shops like the one who may not be named in Winslow, NJ who sells **** and **** (would it have been OK for me to have said what he sells?). Matt, it is good to still see you stop by here. Enjoy your freedom over there If you ever have some interesting classes over there let me know, as I would be happy to shoot with you again.Bingo |
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I wish i had the luxury of the shops you guys have. Driving all the way down to SNJ with something thats not guaranteed to be there, is not really an option for me. 99.9% of my ammo comes from online but when i just need a little 22 here and there, i go to Cheyenne or worst case scenario, Dicks. If not them, then maybe a gun show while im picking up reloading supplies.
On a side note you would think this ammo crisis would prevent people from wanting to go to the range....yeah right, Range 14 was fucking packed today. People were popping off .22's, 556 and all kinds of shit like nothing was wrong. |
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I wish i had the luxury of the shops you guys have. Driving all the way down to SNJ with something thats not guaranteed to be there, is not really an option for me. 99.9% of my ammo comes from online but when i just need a little 22 here and there, i go to Cheyenne or worst case scenario, Dicks. If not them, then maybe a gun show while im picking up reloading supplies. On a side note you would think this ammo crisis would prevent people from wanting to go to the range....yeah right, Range 14 was fucking packed today. People were popping off .22's, 556 and all kinds of shit like nothing was wrong. I go to an indoor range in Easton, PA. Got there 5 minutes before they opened Saturday and the lot was full. Every lane was full within 5 minutes of the door opening. Been this way for 3 months, at least you get some time Sundays when football was still on. |
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Matt you had a pretty good understanding of supply/demand - so I don't know what you didn't know.
Some ones *Gouging* (and they pay it) is anothers' *too high price for my blood*. Those who prepared likely say too high, those who were not are saying/claiming retailers are gouging. @Shot manufacturers were telling us they we sold out for 1+ years. Those retailers who are being fair and trying to distribute under a measure approach are to be complimented, otherwise once wiped out of product walk traffic halts and they don't sell their other "floor" products. The end results are happier patrons, and retailers being assessed as fair, while keeping their doors open to sell other products on their shelves. |
| i was talking to a few suppliers the other day when i was out on a mission for primers and powder... majority of them said, 22 ammo is seasonal and the reason theres a shortage of it is because all the time and effort is being made toward manufacturing handgun and rifle ammo to keep up with supply and demand.. dont know what to believe anymore, just glad i bought ammo even when i didnt need it |