[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 9mm (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/24/2011 12:20:51 PM EDT
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One of my buddies got his the other day, and its now had a full pimping and looks and handles great. We shoved a load of wolf and s+b down it after PR yesterday at Diggle.
I was afraid to have a go, due to it usually giving a bad case of the " wants " 
Never been so dissapointed. 
Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. |
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One of my buddies got his the other day, and its now had a full pimping and looks and handles great. We shoved a load of wolf and s+b down it after PR yesterday at Diggle. I was afraid to have a go, due to it usually giving a bad case of the " wants "
Never been so dissapointed.
Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. That's just what I said well before the shitstorm. I think it comes under '.because I can'. |
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Our gallery club has a power limit, and Lead only, so that buggers the 9mm up here unfortunatly. We couldn,t even pop the steels at Diggle yesterday, because its no jacketed ammo.
The cartridge just seemed to lack some grunt to me. It would be interesting in 45ACP, which i think the system would handle with a heavier bolt etc. |
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One of my buddies got his the other day, and its now had a full pimping and looks and handles great. We shoved a load of wolf and s+b down it after PR yesterday at Diggle. I was afraid to have a go, due to it usually giving a bad case of the " wants "
Never been so dissapointed.
Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. That's just what I said well before the shitstorm. I think it comes under '.because I can'. Have you cut the barrel down from 16" to 12" ? In which case it will only be 'competative' to 25M against pimped underlevers with 16"+ barrels. What sight did you use? Your choice of ammunition was hardly accuracy driven.... .... Wolf FFS and S&B being not much better! (Like shooting a .223 BAR with Norinco at 300M and saying the rifle is shite!) As to what it gives: Mine has given me a Gallery Rifle Grand Master title in CF not SB........... |
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Same for me Dave really, I had a load of fun with it at Bangor, and I can use it every weekend at my club, no restrictions
I'll hold my hands up, its a 'cos I can', but its great fun for an hour a week , I can use it for gallery at my club
but it has raised a few eyebrows 
It fills a gap, bit like the FAL, but its in teh cabinet, doesnt have to serve a purpose does it 
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Our gallery club has a power limit, and Lead only, so that buggers the 9mm up here unfortunatly. We couldn,t even pop the steels at Diggle yesterday, because its no jacketed ammo. The cartridge just seemed to lack some grunt to me. It would be interesting in 45ACP, which i think the system would handle with a heavier bolt etc. 125gr pb works well with the right load, used some as shield effectively last year. Also suppressed Sub-sonic 147gr FMJ is just fun! Its a 9mm! A common carbine cartridge, cheap and readily available.............. |
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I have to say also, I have had some excellent results back to 50 yards with S&B 115gr FMJ , not used it past that distance yet.
I find WIN 115gr FMJ to be superb, shot a 5 shot 2 1/2 inch group at Bangor, getting 4 A's and 1 B on a Fig 14 at 100yds, and you were there to witness that Dave 
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The Unicorn doesn't really have any usebexcept for its calibre...and that is questionable.
Yes it's cheaper but that excuse is lame, considering what shooters spend on other stuff. It does offer easier use of manipulation etc, but given the kind of shooting most people do in the UK, where is the advantage. If you look at the recognized GR events, the timings are more than adequate for a normally manually operated rifle, so theirs neither an advantage ir a disadvantage. The appeal of is is its perceived awesomeness and the fact that it's the nearest thing to a machine-gun you can own in Blighty. Yes a .22 semi is faster to shoot, but it doesn't have enough bang factor for some. Most people that buy these spend their time shooting them at 25yds or whatever......at a bullseye [[(and being happy to get their shots in the black, and if they don't it really doesn't matter...coz they're blazin') Personally I can't see the point. Dave, if you think the .30 carbine is better, wait till you try a Whipper! |
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Dont get me wrong guys, i,m the very last person in the world who would ever question the need, use, or downright pleasure factor from owning a particular weapon. If it floats your boat, then that is the best reason of all to own one.
i,ll certainly pass on to my friend the suggestions for better, more accurate ammo. He has a genuine Eotech on it too. Speaking from a purely personal point of view, the clubs i,m in would make its reasonable use very difficult, and he,s in the same boat really. It didn,t stop him however, and it was indeed, a "because i can "purchase.
His is the long barrelled version. If anyone has any good lead loads they would like to share for it, then please do, he is planning on a bit of reloading i think. |
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Our gallery club has a power limit, and Lead only, so that buggers the 9mm up here unfortunatly. We couldn,t even pop the steels at Diggle yesterday, because its no jacketed ammo. The cartridge just seemed to lack some grunt to me. It would be interesting in 45ACP, which i think the system would handle with a heavier bolt etc. Our club also has a power limit & lead only so we reload for our unicorns. Was modifying and testing UZI mags for cycling a few weeks ago and shot this 20 round group (25yds) with 3.5gr Bullseye 125gr LRN. Never had to question why I wanted one as we run loads of gallery rifle comps and these are very competitive and accurate rifles, I believe there are at least six shooters in our club with them so far. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot, Bob has a 3 month waiting list so they must be appealing to someone........ 
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Personally I can't see the point. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot
Right there!  ...and that's what counts. ie what you want as an individual. For me, all I see compared to a semi-auto .22 is a slower gun with a bigger bang and bigger holes at more than twice the cost and less places you can use it.......but then I don't shoot black powder either and I'm still struggling with PSG.......... 
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Personally I can't see the point. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot
Right there! ...and that's what counts. ie what you want as an individual. For me, all I see compared to a semi-auto .22 is a slower gun with a bigger bang and bigger holes at more than twice the cost and less places you can use it.......but then I don't shoot black powder either and I'm still struggling with PSG.......... Maybe so, but you can't use a .22 in a GRCF comp - so the comparison doesn't really hold for anything other than plinking... |
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Bob has a 3 month waiting list so they must be appealing to someone........ http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh66/sundancekid_02/9mmgroups.jpg I imagine that will be a bit longer now....... |
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Personally I can't see the point. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot
Right there! ...and that's what counts. ie what you want as an individual. For me, all I see compared to a semi-auto .22 is a slower gun with a bigger bang and bigger holes at more than twice the cost and less places you can use it.......but then I don't shoot black powder either and I'm still struggling with PSG.......... Maybe so, but you can't use a .22 in a GRCF comp - so the comparison doesn't really hold for anything other than plinking... GRSB................? |
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Personally I can't see the point. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot
Right there! ...and that's what counts. ie what you want as an individual. For me, all I see compared to a semi-auto .22 is a slower gun with a bigger bang and bigger holes at more than twice the cost and less places you can use it.......but then I don't shoot black powder either and I'm still struggling with PSG.......... Maybe so, but you can't use a .22 in a GRCF comp - so the comparison doesn't really hold for anything other than plinking... GRSB................? Gallery Rifle Small Bore (.22 RimFire) not 9mm which is GRCF - Gallery Rifle Center Fire 
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Bob has a 3 month waiting list so they must be appealing to someone........ http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh66/sundancekid_02/9mmgroups.jpg I imagine that will be a bit longer now....... Only Three Months !! I would be happy with that. i orderd mine from Bob last September. Deposit paid and still no sign of it today. I was hoping to get it before the Imperial but im not holding my breath |
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If yours isn,t in the last batch of around a fortnight ago Chris, then i wouldn,t bet on seeing it inside another 6 months.
My mate waited at least six months, could have been nearer nine for his. I had a .30 carbine on order for over six months, and got fed up of the bullshit and cancelled it, and bought s/h. Thats certainly a good lead group there Dan, and i,ll pass that one on thank you. I went with the .30 because i wanted an AR for GRCF rather than a Marlin, and up to press its doing great. Only got the spring meeting under my belt with it, but am hoping for good things at the Phoenix with it. Doesn,t matter what calibre it is really, the more AR,s on Melville...the better.
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I dont really know. I rang them and was told they had lost all there info as there PC hard drive was corrupted. They said they had a bunch done and they were pretty sure mine was one on them but i havent herd since. I will call them in a couple days.
So far 4 people at my local club have the 9mm already and 2 have the lever action .30 ones. Not many .22 AR's about though since Clayo and a few others left. Shame that Spikes arnt going to be doing any more for a while. I wonder what the H&K 416 .22 is like |
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Personally I can't see the point. The ergonomics are better for me than the Winchesters/Marlins etc plus at the end of they day they are fun to shoot
Right there! ...and that's what counts. ie what you want as an individual. For me, all I see compared to a semi-auto .22 is a slower gun with a bigger bang and bigger holes at more than twice the cost and less places you can use it.......but then I don't shoot black powder either and I'm still struggling with PSG.......... Maybe so, but you can't use a .22 in a GRCF comp - so the comparison doesn't really hold for anything other than plinking... GRSB................? Gallery Rifle Small Bore (.22 RimFire) not 9mm which is GRCF - Gallery Rifle Center Fire Aren't the courses of fire just the same? |
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Gallery Rifle Small Bore (.22 RimFire) not 9mm which is GRCF - Gallery Rifle Center Fire Aren't the courses of fire just the same? No - different targets and timings in quite a lot of events, 1500 for instance. Ok, didn't realise. Makes no odds though as you shoot by class..
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Played with one the other day and I was quite taken by it.
My only problem is that I'm a leftie, I need a face mask to stop the crap coming back in the face. It could be converted but I'm not sure if i'd like to go to all the trouble. Perhaps. It was fun and I could shoot it no problem right handed and accurately enough for what I'd use it for (steels, adv target and other gallery rifle stuff). It'd have a great advantage in the speed steel over an under lever and I think they've made another class for it in that and several other Phoenix comps (or will soon if not yet). It has it's place and I'm sorely tempted, but not just yet. It has it's limitiations regarding use, ammo and range etc so don't buy it if doesn't fit your needs, horses for courses. I have a GRCF and can I really resign that to the cabinet/sell it and wait for or afford the Unicorn? Jury's out - I do love my Marlin. |
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Played with one the other day and I was quite taken by it. My only problem is that I'm a leftie, I need a face mask to stop the crap coming back in the face. It could be converted but I'm not sure if i'd like to go to all the trouble. They do it in a left hand model as well. One of the guys at our clubs a leftie Spoke to Bob today and mine is ready 
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Played with one the other day and I was quite taken by it. My only problem is that I'm a leftie, I need a face mask to stop the crap coming back in the face. It could be converted but I'm not sure if i'd like to go to all the trouble. They do it in a left hand model as well. One of the guys at our clubs a leftie Spoke to Bob today and mine is ready Nice - hope you enjoy it! |
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Played with one the other day and I was quite taken by it. My only problem is that I'm a leftie, I need a face mask to stop the crap coming back in the face. It could be converted but I'm not sure if i'd like to go to all the trouble. They do it in a left hand model as well. One of the guys at our clubs a leftie Spoke to Bob today and mine is ready Nice - hope you enjoy it! I don't think it ejects out of the left. It's not so much the lever as that's not too hard to fix, it'd need to eject to the left as well. |
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Another Bob's Bull Barrel Boutique Butchery ! Guess Bob is finding Flash Eliminators difficult to find Why does he do it! Make potentially great rifles look and handle like cack! Regular Cleaning stops lead build up  ETA That fore-end is probably not the lightest then! |
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I think he manufactueres his own flash hiders.
And he manufactures his own muzzle brakes. Come to think of it, he makes every part of his own rifles inc charging handles & fore-ends on his own CNC machinery. Ok, he does not make triggers Thats a black art all it's own.
Quite a bit of Bob bashing goes on here. Some of it deserved. Some not. His inter-personal skills could do with a polish with some 60 grit & an air sander
Like his guns or hate them, he's not being held to ransom by stupid import export laws. The guns are British made & he makes what he wants to make. He's not my mate either, but I can appreciate the extent of the engineering that goes into actually manufacturing rifles like this. Not my call, but maybe we should be cutting some slack with whats left of our UK black rifle industry. Anyhoo, they made a big effort getting Bobba-the-hut out the top of his house & in through the roof at the Phoenix. Amazing things, those Chinooks
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And he manufactures his own muzzle brakes. 
He does make his rifles look cack though! He does, always did I'm afraid, but that's the way it is when you have no style... He really should get Trinny & Suzannah in
I think that he was getting his flash hiders in from the same place that I was, and as we all know, the fuzz closed them down
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And he manufactures his own muzzle brakes.
He does make his rifles look cack though! Yep, I agree. Not my cuppa either. But, he continues to diversify to survive. The games changed due to the late unpleasantness with SDI I saw boxes of muzzle brakes, flash hiders & charge handles in the raw, not long off the NC machines being cleaned & prepped last time I was visiting for a snoot around some time back.
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I have just taken delivery of this (mark 3 ?) and a big thank you to Dan, Paul and Jamie for getting me started.
It looks like it might take a few rounds to easy the action and there seems a nack to learn not to push the mag to far up into the rifle. Everyone commended that the mag had been polished and was slightly different from the earlier model so the fit was not a straight swap. SAM_0956.JPG |
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Quoted: I have just taken delivery of this (mark 3 ?) and a big thank you to Dan, Paul and Jamie for getting me started. It looks like it might take a few rounds to easy the action and there seems a nack to learn not to push the mag to far up into the rifle. Everyone commended that the mag had been polished and was slightly different from the earlier model so the fit was not a straight swap. SAM_0956.JPG Remember there are plenty of 9mm AR magazines that will do the job, you don't have to use the high price UZI mags. Or if you do, just cut the AR mag catch hole yourself |
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Quoted: His new rifle would not take my SGC 9mm mag or any of my modded UZI mags, looks like the new SGC custom made upper and lower fit can be very hit and miss, some of the upper will need smoothing off with a file to get all mags to seat all the way home. Just like the 'bucket of sand' lowers then?Not very good tolerances or a new magazine mod? |
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Bad tolerences, also if you ease the bolt slowly forward it will stop half way before it gets to the ejector, that needs some running in.
The mag issue seems to be that the upper overlaps the lower at the rear of the magwell, Bob has smoothed the corner of the mag instead of the magwell, any other mag when inserted will stop when it hits the overlap. |
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Bad tolerences, also if you ease the bolt slowly forward it will stop half way before it gets to the ejector, that needs some running in. The mag issue seems to be that the upper overlaps the lower at the rear of the magwell, Bob has smoothed the corner of the mag instead of the magwell, any other mag when inserted will stop when it hits the overlap. If you now relieve the magwell, won't that make the mag Bob smoothed sloppy? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Bad tolerences, also if you ease the bolt slowly forward it will stop half way before it gets to the ejector, that needs some running in. The mag issue seems to be that the upper overlaps the lower at the rear of the magwell, Bob has smoothed the corner of the mag instead of the magwell, any other mag when inserted will stop when it hits the overlap. If you now relieve the magwell, won't that make the mag Bob smoothed sloppy? One mag is cheaper than several mags |
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His new rifle would not take my SGC 9mm mag or any of my modded UZI mags, looks like the new SGC custom made upper and lower fit can be very hit and miss, some of the upper will need smoothing off with a file to get all mags to seat all the way home.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. If you bought a standard AR that wouldn't take a normal mag unless you bastardised it You would tell em feck off, especially when this is a £1200 custom rifle Why do people put up with this shit? He must know they don't fit, he must Cnc them in batches and then try to match an upper with a lower? So if that's the best that comes out of there, what the he'll is he using as a tolerance? His fingers? I'd take it back, its not fit for purpose, consumer rights and all that Rant over  I'm tired and should be sleeping 
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His new rifle would not take my SGC 9mm mag or any of my modded UZI mags, looks like the new SGC custom made upper and lower fit can be very hit and miss, some of the upper will need smoothing off with a file to get all mags to seat all the way home.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. If you bought a standard AR that wouldn't take a normal mag unless you bastardised it You would tell em feck off, especially when this is a £1200 custom rifle Why do people put up with this shit? He must know they don't fit, he must Cnc them in batches and then try to match an upper with a lower? So if that's the best that comes out of there, what the he'll is he using as a tolerance? His fingers? I'd take it back, its not fit for purpose, consumer rights and all that Rant over I'm tired and should be sleeping Unicorns and 'tolerance issues'..................................I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before.................................. 
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Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. Just won me the Bianchi Match for GRCF open at the Phoenix meeting,  even though the fuck up fairy attended during the steel stage
Regularly shoot 300, with >20x up at our local club in TP1, most of the lever action guys just put their guns away when I get the 9 out
Whats not to love about it
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Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. Just won me the Bianchi Match for GRCF open at the Phoenix meeting, even though the fuck up fairy attended during the steel stage
Regularly shoot 300, with >20x up at our local club in TP1, most of the lever action guys just put their guns away when I get the 9 out
Whats not to love about it I foresee a 'Unicorn' class in you Unicorn Herders future.........
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both me and my mate wandered back to the clubhouse wondering just what use the gun had ? I know some are using them for gallery rifle, but it was evident that it cant hold a candle to a .30 carbine , accuracy wise, which we both own. My mate said [ and i agreed ] what does that do, that a .22lr auto doesn,t do better ? maybe i,m missing something ? discuss. Just won me the Bianchi Match for GRCF open at the Phoenix meeting, even though the fuck up fairy attended during the steel stage Regularly shoot 300, with >20x up at our local club in TP1, most of the lever action guys just put their guns away when I get the 9 out Whats not to love about it I foresee a 'Unicorn' class in you Unicorn Herders future......... Hey! Only Unicorn Herders can use the phrase 'Unicorn herders' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrrtQ79HGI&feature=related |