Posted: 1/8/2010 11:28:00 AM EDT
| ive put a variation in for a 410 shot pistol for shooting rats in our grain stores however the taurus judge i was gona get is currently been looked into as to whether or not its a section 5 firearm so got any ideas what would make a good rat buster that wont poke holes in my sheds? |
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Bond arms Snake slayer. You see them from time to time but im sure a dealer could order you one in. There were a couple on guntrader a while back
http://www.bondarms.com/ Were did you hear the info on th judge? Sabre seem to be selling them |
| I always found it strange that shot pistols are imported by section 5 dealers however the gun goes on a section 1 licence. I guess the issue with the Judge is its more than 2 shots. However the UK version is smooth bore not rifled like the US ones. A guy on the BBS had a Bond arms Snake slayer. He sold it to get a judge. However when his cert came back they had changed the wording from .410 shot pistol to (2 shot .410 shot pistol) meaning he couldn't buy a judge. |
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I always found it strange that shot pistols are imported by section 5 dealers however the gun goes on a section 1 licence. I guess the issue with the Judge is its more than 2 shots. However the UK version is smooth bore not rifled like the US ones. A guy on the BBS had a Bond arms Snake slayer. He sold it to get a judge. However when his cert came back they had changed the wording from .410 shot pistol to (2 shot .410 shot pistol) meaning he couldn't buy a judge. The issue at this time from what I gather is that the feds have deemed it to be a revolving shotgun, something that is specifically prohibited in the act... Ahhh hadn't thought of that one. I guess if they don't like something there's always a way of bending the interpretation of the act to ban it  Not exactly a street sweeper is it. Anyway to be totally honest I'm not a fan of Taurus firearms. They had some serious issues with Judges blowing up. Also I had no end of trouble with my .44 mag LBR before they admitted that there was a batch problem and the steel used was no good. On top of that I spoke with Rodger from SYSS and he had send a batch of them back to Euro guns as they didnt have any rifling in the barrel. On a plus note my .45 acp seems ok....touch wood
These pics are from taurus armed forum. The judge was new out the box. It was factory ammo and it blew up on the third round 
Your probably better asking for a .410 shotgun with a short barrel. They would probably authorise that and it gives you more options |
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Does it need to be a pistol ? Would a .410 shotgun do ? I remember seeing a nice Winchester 1894 carbine in .410 it might have to, was wanting a pistol to take into some of the confined spaces in our store where long guns are, well, too long! Would it be worth applying for sec 5 given what you need it for? |
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Does it need to be a pistol ? Would a .410 shotgun do ? I remember seeing a nice Winchester 1894 carbine in .410 it might have to, was wanting a pistol to take into some of the confined spaces in our store where long guns are, well, too long! Would it be worth applying for sec 5 given what you need it for? could be worth a go, how do you apply for a section 5? get a form from the police same as fac? |
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Does it need to be a pistol ? Would a .410 shotgun do ? I remember seeing a nice Winchester 1894 carbine in .410 it might have to, was wanting a pistol to take into some of the confined spaces in our store where long guns are, well, too long! Would it be worth applying for sec 5 given what you need it for? could be worth a go, how do you apply for a section 5? get a form from the police same as fac? To be granted a 'Section 5' you need to apply directly to the Secretary of State at the Home Office...... 
What you want to do is apply to hold a 'prohibited firearm' under 'Section 1' which you do through your F.E.O. The problem you will have applying for anything other than a shot pisol is that you are shooting vermin. The Firearms Act only allows "shot pistols" for this purpose. To acquire any other prohibited firearm on a Sect 1 you need to be involved in "humane dispatch" "Firearms used for humane killing of animals. The authority of the Secretary of State is not required by virtue of subsection (1)(aba) of section 5 of the 1968 Act for a person to have in his possession, or to purchase or acquire, or to sell or transfer, a firearm if he is authorised by a firearm certificate to have the firearm in his possession, or to purchase or acquire it, subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the humane killing of animals. Shot pistols used for shooting vermin (1)The authority of the Secretary of State is not required by virtue of subsection (1)(aba) of section 5 of the 1968 Act for a person to have in his possession, or to purchase or acquire, or to sell or transfer, a shot pistol if he is authorised by a firearm certificate to have the shot pistol in his possession, or to purchase or acquire it, subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin. (2)For the purposes of this section, “shot pistol” means a smooth-bored gun which is chambered for .410 cartridges or 9mm rim-fire cartridges." 
Would be fun though, blatting rats with a Hi-Power....... 
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Does it need to be a pistol ? Would a .410 shotgun do ? I remember seeing a nice Winchester 1894 carbine in .410 it might have to, was wanting a pistol to take into some of the confined spaces in our store where long guns are, well, too long! Would it be worth applying for sec 5 given what you need it for? could be worth a go, how do you apply for a section 5? get a form from the police same as fac? Here's the link for the sec 5 application Home office form |
| the lady at the firearms dept has told me to give it another 2 weeks and ring back regarding the judge or i can have the variation for a derringer type straight away, trouble is only 2 shots in the derringer, being in an encolsed space with rats i would rather have a few shots more! |
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Powerful spring air pistol with a dot sight. It's a rat, it's not like you have to be nice to them, and the others won't hang around once you've shot one..
.that said, I was one an estate once when the gamekeeper and helper were sorting rats around the feed bins. They brought an air rifle to start with, but having flushed some out went back for a .410...
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