Posted: 5/27/2009 11:52:36 AM EDT
Upper supplied by Chefie and the lower and flash hider by our very own gun plumber..... Just been out in the garden and emptied a mag .... flawless... (had the Jet-Z on by the way  )
Couldn't be happier, thanks guys..... 
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Really pleased with mine from SF. Functions with everything put through it so far. Got me thinking about designing suitable targets and a course of fire for these Mini ARs, not practical but multi-postion precision shooting (similar to CSR but without any running around) shooting at 50 to 25 yards. 
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Really pleased with mine from SF. Functions with everything put through it so far. Got me thinking about designing suitable targets and a course of fire for these Mini ARs, not practical but multi-postion precision shooting (similar to CSR but without any running around) shooting at 50 to 25 yards. Sounds interesting..........................they'd probably be ok in a FIBUA type cof though. 
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Quoted: Yes,Quoted: Really pleased with mine from SF. Functions with everything put through it so far. Got me thinking about designing suitable targets and a course of fire for these Mini ARs, not practical but multi-postion precision shooting (similar to CSR but without any running around) shooting at 50 to 25 yards. Sounds interesting..........................they'd probably be ok in a FIBUA type cof though. it does sound interesting. Funnily enough, Target-Hunter and myseldf were talking about this very subject and we are in agreement that it could really take off. I used to shoot Mini-Rifle with [cough]you-know-who[/cough] but my enthusiasm waned because I got tired of racing the shot timer, but this could recapture my imagination. When we go to AZ to shoot the AWW, a couple of the M16 matches are at 25 yds and these could easily be incorporated into a mini CSR (for want of a name), as well as the likes of FIBUA, CQB & CT matches. As I said before, I used to have issues with .22 AR's, mainly because of reliability issues and didn't want to sell them for the same reasons, as I really didn't fancy a line of unhappy customers. However, with the advent of the absolutely wonderful Black Dog mags and learning how to tweak and tune the conversion kits, the .22AR has finally become viable. In fact, a properly fettled one is a joy to behold....and you can add all the go-faster stuff to them 'till your hearts content. Yes they are expensive, but look what you get....a full on mil-spec rifle that's no GSG-5 toy. I can't seem to build enough of them, but hopefully with the latest batch, I might actually get one for myself  In fact with that in mind, that's exactly what I'm going to do.... |
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How about this for a first stab at a CoF:
Timed Precision Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available. Ten individual circular targets, 1 shot on each in 60 secs, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts Sitting Rapid Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available. 2 Square Targets, 5 shots on each in 25 seconds starting from the standing position, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts Double Snap Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available. Starting from the prone position, five individual rectangular targets, short end horizontal, divided into two square 2 MOA segments. Five exposures of 3 Seconds, 2 shots each exposure 1 shot in each segment, each hit scores 5 pts, any target without a hit in each segment scores 0. Prone Rapid Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available. 2 Square Targets, 5 shots on each in 20 seconds starting from the standing position, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts Multi Position Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available. 2 shots from each position on a single target scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts in 120 seconds starting standing, then squat, kneel, sit and prone. Standing Snap 25 yards/meters Five 3 second exposures 2 shots each exposure from standing scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts HPS = 300 Scoring zones might be a bit tight but as the rifles are semi-auto they should be acheivable with a bit of practice and we don't want everyone getting 10 Wash. |
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This is another suitable mini semi-auto rifle match as well
Match RI302 – Reflexive Fire Stage 1 Range:25 yards - Standing Shots:12 – 1 x Magazine 12 Rounds Targets:4 x FIG 11 pistol targets Timing:4 exposures of 4 seconds, minimum interval of 7 seconds 1st exposure engage target 1 with 2 shots in the torso region then 1 shot in the facial scoring area. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th exposure is the same as the 1st exposure on targets 2, 3 and 4. Facial hits are worth five points. Excessive facial hits are worth two points each. A hit inside the facial area is required to receive a score on the target Scoring: Maximum of 60 points (15 points per target) Stage 2 Range:25 yards - Standing Shots:24 – 1 x Magazine of 24 Rounds Targets:4 x FIG 11 pistol targets Timing:4 exposures, one each of 7 secs, 6 secs, 5 secs, and 4 secs with a minimum 7 second intervals. 1st exposure engage targets 1, 2, 3, and 4 left to right, placing one shot on each target, return to target 1 for the last two shots, in 7 seconds. 2nd exposure repeat firing sequence of first exposure in 6 seconds. 3rd exposure participants engage targets 2, 3, 4, with two rounds each in 5 seconds. 4th exposure repeat firing sequence of 3rd exposure in 4 seconds. Scoring: Maximum of 120 points (should be 6 hits per target max 30 points each) |
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Our classic (pistol) terrain-shoot goes over 7-8 stations, each with 4 or 5 targets, some of them move or get exchanged after say 3 seconds, so you have to be a bit tactical about how you shoot them. Distances from 10 to 120 meters. Has to be shot in (typically) 10 seconds (.22) or 12 seconds (.32-.38 /9 mm). You walk between stations and the whole thing including a final speed-shoot (5 targets at approx 25 meters hit them as fast as you can from the Beeeep!) takes around 2,5 hours. excersize and shooting- wonderful combination!
Here's some pictures from the last match: pistol-terrain 23 may 09 -spot the camo! Soren |
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Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare...  A low variable mag compact optic, something like a 1-4x24 . Ideally an S&B Shortdot or similar, although I believe Optima and Docter also do some very acceptable scopes of this type. Speaking as a cheapskate I went for an MTC 1-4x24 Mamba. Only downside is it's factory parallax adjusted for 100m, so inside that can get a bit blurry on small targets. Other than that it's fine
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Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare... Consider a 3-9 x40 variable. If you can stretch to a side focus model it is worth it, as Icarus points out some can can be blurry at higher magnification close up. I have a Bushnell Elite 3200 3 - 9 x 40 on a bolt action .22 and a Leopold equivalent for my .22 M4, there is nothing to choose between them for optical quality although the Bushnell is better at focusing on close up targets at higher magnifications. Have a look at Airgun BBS Used Optics for Sale there is often a choice of good quality scopes on there. Edited to add, I would avoid adjustable objective scopes, if you go the adjustable parallax route spend a bit more and get side focus, much more user-friendly. |
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Nice shooter BA
I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR. As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree.... I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic... ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards... |
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Quoted: Then sell the fitty Nice shooter BA I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR. As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree.... I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic... ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards... |
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Then sell the fitty Nice shooter BA
I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR. As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree.... I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic... ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
I'll swap you a Shortdot for the Fifty............... 
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..okay prone but 4x is a lot of wobble at 25yards.............unless you're shooting at barn doors of course....Nice shooter BA
I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR. As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree.... I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...see if you can try both first. Personally I don't like magnifiers on dot sights, which aren't precision sighting systems anyway. They are great for snap/CQB stuff but for precision imho you can't beat a proper optic. ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards... 
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..okay prone but 4x is a lot of wobble at 25yards.............unless you're shooting at barn doors of course....Nice shooter BA
I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR. As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree.... I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...see if you can try both first. Personally I don't like magnifiers on dot sights, which aren't precision sighting systems anyway. They are great for snap/CQB stuff but for precision imho you can't beat a proper optic. ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
Do you ever make it to the CSR matches Steven? Are you anywhere near Gloucestershire? I've got an Eotech X 4 magnifier if you want to try one out before you buy... |
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What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA? Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound. ..minute of barn door  ..........................or you could get your lad to show you
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Quoted: What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA? Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound. I would say possibly 3 MOA for starters. If that's to generous then it can be reduced later |
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What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA? Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound. I would say possibly 3 MOA for starters. If that's to generous then it can be reduced later Never having had a .22 based on the AR platform, I have a question.......... In terms of accuracy, is it comparable to a heavy barrelled Ruger 10/22 ? |
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Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare... Looks the Buisness Dave. as for optics, another reason I got the NXS 2.5-10 X 24 is that I use the 22LR coversion unit in my Carbine, so the scope serves both puposes. I would be well up for and willing to travel for some kind of comp for 22 cal AR's |
