Posted: 2/5/2009 3:06:20 AM EDT
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I am interested to see what percentage of users think that it is a necessary safety requirement to shoot in competitions as an FAC holder.
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You mean like this 
Without an NRA Certificates of Safety and Competence we can't shoot at Bisley or other MOD ranges ? ? ? Range Safety The NRA Safe Shooting System (SSS) The NRA SSS is designed to ensure, as far as we can, that all those shooting on our ranges: (a) can handle their firearm safely and competently, (b) can fire a group of sufficiently small diameter to ensure that their shots do not hit the range floor or escape over the top of the stop butt, (c) know the elevations on their sights to be used at all distances at which they will be shooting. All too often, however, individuals cannot comply with either (a) or (b), and most certainly do not demonstrate (c)! Indeed not too long ago the statement was made over the radio "I'm a Palma shot - I don't need to check my zero" - followed by five consecutive misses! To comply with sub-para (a) above Certificates of Safety & Competence assessments have been introduced, as follows: Certificates of Safety and Competence You are reminded that, as from 1 January 2009, all shooters on Bisley ranges (and all MoD ranges) must have in their possession a valid Safety & Competence card, signed by their Club Chairman (or the NRA Secretary General for those members of the NRA who have been assessed by the NRA) for the firearms with which you will be shooting. If you have booked a target for individual shooting you will be required to produce this card in the Range Office before you may sign in. If you are not able to produce your card you will, unfortunately, not be allowed to shoot. In this event no refund will be made. If you are signing in as the RCO for a group booking you will find that the certificate at the top of the signing-in form has been amended to include a statement by you, the RCO, that every member of the group for you will be responsible either has his/her own card or will be coached, on a one-to-one basis, by the holder of such a card. The responsibility rests with the RCO to confirm that every member of his/her group complies with one or the other of these two conditions. |
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you mean like a fishing licence to fish, a TV licence to watch TV, a driving licence to drive, a dogging licence to dog ?
Sounds like a good idea to me 
I am meeting my ACC later and he is the ACPO lead for firearms licencing in the UK, I think you have had a good idea there and will pass your thoughts and support on. He may even get DCC rank for bringing this in nationally. |
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you mean like a fishing licence to fish, a TV licence to watch TV, a driving licence to drive, a dogging licence to dog ? Sounds like a good idea to me
I am meeting my ACC later and he is the ACPO lead for firearms licencing in the UK, I think you have had a good idea there and will pass your thoughts and support on. He may even get DCC rank for bringing this in nationally. So your in favour of it then? As of now no replies in favour
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I am interested to see what percentage of users think that it is a necessary safety requirement to shoot in competitions as an FAC holder. Not I, been shooting since I was in short trousers and don't need some bus driver called Nigel to show me how to be 'safe' while wearing non aggressive apparel and sandals thank you. 
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Quoted: He won't answer you, he never doesQuoted: you mean like a fishing licence to fish, a TV licence to watch TV, a driving licence to drive, a dogging licence to dog ? Sounds like a good idea to me I am meeting my ACC later and he is the ACPO lead for firearms licencing in the UK, I think you have had a good idea there and will pass your thoughts and support on. He may even get DCC rank for bringing this in nationally. So your in favour of it then? As of now no replies in favour |
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you mean like a fishing licence to fish, Bought at a post office without having actually taken a course and passed a proficiency test a TV licence to watch TV Paid for without having done the course and passed a test, a driving licence to drive The only licence where you need to do a course and pass a test for, a dogging licence to dog, What is dogging, and do they run dogging courses and have a test at the end ? The only one that bares any relevance is the driving licence. Tony |
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I voted "other".
For someone who has been competing for a while, shooting game / vermin since childhood or with other experience such as ex-armed forces then its definately NO as they have already proved their safe handling of firearms. For someone who has just got his FAC, just bought his first rifle / shotgun then entered a competition the following week then its a YES for obvious reasons. So its OTHER - common sense should be applied and each shooter treated according to his/her skills, experience and safety track record. As to the driving licence - if you only knew how many are obtained by qualified drivers "sitting in" for drivers INCAPABLE of passing, you would be very wary on the roads !! |
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I voted "other". For someone who has been competing for a while, shooting game / vermin since childhood or with other experience such as ex-armed forces then its definately NO as they have already proved their safe handling of firearms. For someone who has just got his FAC, just bought his first rifle / shotgun then entered a competition the following week then its a YES for obvious reasons. So its OTHER - common sense should be applied and each shooter treated according to his/her skills, experience and safety track record. As to the driving licence - if you only knew how many are obtained by qualified drivers "sitting in" for drivers INCAPABLE of passing, you would be very wary on the roads !! I notice you didn't include 'Police' in that list… 
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Doesn't matter how long you've been shooting, that does not mean you've been doing it safely all that time. I have no problem with some form of testing and/or safety standard, but it should recognise previous quantifiable experience such as military, police, NRA courses etc.
...anyway, what's an FAC?.............................................. 
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I notice you didn't include 'Police' in that list…
Well spotted. Many are excellent. But a few are not. 1, I watched one spend 5 mins trying to rack the dummy slide of a co2 pistol to make it safe. 2, One has accidentally shot a detective during a BRIEFING at the police station prior to a raid. 3, One ( years at downing street before returning to divisional patrol ) told me that ND's are common because of how a glock works - when the shooter pulls the trigger, the slide moves and chambers a round then fires it. The empty is ejected and a fresh one is only chambered next time the trigger is pulled. 
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Hey, whats wrong with sandals???Quoted:
Not I, been shooting since I was in short trousers and don't need some bus driver called Nigel to show me how to be 'safe' while wearing non aggressive apparel and sandals thank you.I am interested to see what percentage of users think that it is a necessary safety requirement to shoot in competitions as an FAC holder.  Søren
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Quoted:...anyway, what's an FAC?..............................................
I asked myself that very same Question as I have a Waffenbesitzkarte and a Jagdschein .
Tony Ich habe eine österreichische Jagdschein auch hast beim Billa gekauft Komm gibst zu, da das Deutschen Jagdschein in Österreich nichts wert ist und umgekehrt genauso viel wert ist zahlt es nicht,.
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That covers all shooting activities. I am interested to find out what percentage of shooters think that a COMPETITION LICENCE is a necessary extra requirement before they can enter a COMPETITION. Clue is in the title. If I can issue a Certificate of Safety and Competence to my club members can I issue them a Competition Licence (whatever that is) as well
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That covers all shooting activities. I am interested to find out what percentage of shooters think that a COMPETITION LICENCE is a necessary extra requirement before they can enter a COMPETITION. Clue is in the title. If I can issue a Certificate of Safety and Competence to my club members can I issue them a Competition Licence (whatever that is) as well I'm afraid you can only do that if you have a licence that licences you to issue the licence that the licensee would require.
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Doesn't matter how long you've been shooting, that does not mean you've been doing it safely all that time. I have no problem with some form of testing and/or safety standard, but it should recognise previous quantifiable experience such as military, police, NRA courses etc. ...anyway, what's an FAC?.............................................. Must be a Forward Air Controller - five week course followed by continuation followed by a two week course. That must count as a really big competion license 'cause an FAC can call in all sorts of exciting things that fall from the sky! |
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Quoted: No Nick,Quoted: Doesn't matter how long you've been shooting, that does not mean you've been doing it safely all that time. I have no problem with some form of testing and/or safety standard, but it should recognise previous quantifiable experience such as military, police, NRA courses etc. ...anyway, what's an FAC?.............................................. Must be a Forward Air Controller - five week course followed by continuation followed by a two week course. That must count as a really big competion license 'cause an FAC can call in all sorts of exciting things that fall from the sky! That's a "wipe out the competition license" |
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That covers all shooting activities. I am interested to find out what percentage of shooters think that a COMPETITION LICENCE is a necessary extra requirement before they can enter a COMPETITION. Clue is in the title. If I can issue a Certificate of Safety and Competence to my club members can I issue them a Competition Licence (whatever that is) as well I'm afraid you can only do that if you have a licence that licences you to issue the licence that the licensee would require.
Tony Ah, much clearer now. Cheers Tony 
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