[ARCHIVED THREAD] - CSR - Sunday 27th January (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/10/2008 10:50:21 AM EDT
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Next CSR Match Sunday 27th January AM Imperial Monday Matches Kinnaird / Stephens / Wantage Bisley Bullet / Sitting / Standing PM The ‘Roupell’ ETR Match Cost for the day £20 + £5 if not an NRA member There is NO RUNNING required!  Entry forms available from the NRA site tomorrow. Note: Winter Time restrictions prevent sighters for each stage. The Kinnaird o Type of practice - Timed o Distance - 300yards o Position - Prone o Rounds - 2 sighting shots, 10 to count o Targets – PC Fig12 o Procedure 1. After the two sighting shots have been fired and signalled back, firers will be ordered to apply safety catches and adopt the standing ready alert position 2. On the appearance of the targets for 60 seconds, they will adopt the prone position and fire ten rounds 3. Scores will be communicated to the firing point and spotting discs shown for 25 seconds The Stephens o Type of practice - Rapid o Distance - 300yards o Position - Prone o Rounds - 10 to count o Targets - two PC Fig12 per firer o Procedure 1. Rifles are to be made ready with ten rounds and with safety catches applied, competitors are to adopt the standing ready alert position 2. When targets appear firers adopt the prone position and fire five shots at each target within the time limit of 40 seconds The Wantage o Type of practice - Snap o Distance - 300yards o Position - Prone o Rounds - 10 to count o Targets – PC Fig12 o Procedure 1. Rifles will be made ready with ten rounds 2. The target will make ten appearances of three seconds at different places across a 6ft frontage at irregular intervals of between 5 and 20 seconds 3. One shot only to be fired at each exposure The Bisley Bullet o Type of practice - Snap o Distance - 200yards o Position - Prone o Rounds - 2 sighting shots, 10 to count o Targets - One PC Fig14 window target o Procedure 1. On completion of the sighting shots, rifles will be made ready with ten rounds 2. Targets will make ten appearances of three seconds at various places over a 6ft frontage at irregular intervals of between 5 and 20 seconds 3. One shot only to be fired at each exposure The Sitting o Type of practice - Rapid o Distance - 200yards o Position - Sitting o Rounds - 10 to count o Targets - Two PC Fig11 o Procedure 1. Competitors are to be in the ready alert position with rifles loaded 2. On appearance of the targets for 40 seconds competitors are to adopt the sitting position and engage targets 3. No more than five hits will count on each target The Standing o Type of practice - Snap o Distance - 100yards o Position - Standing followed by kneeling or squatting o Rounds – 2 Sighting shots, 10 to count o Targets – One PC Fig14 window target o Procedure 1. Competitors are to be in the standing ready alert position with rifles loaded 2. The target will make five double exposures of '3 seconds up, 2 seconds down, 3 seconds up' at irregular intervals over a period of 2 minutes 3. The first shot at each double exposure is to be fired from the standing position and the second shot from either the sitting or squatting positions. Firers must return to the ready alert position after each double exposure THE ELECTRIC TARGET RANGE (ETR) MATCH – ROUPELL MATCH 2 1. Outline of the Match. This match consists of four practices, during which targets will be engaged at distances of 100, 200 and 300 yards. 2. Conditions a. Ammunition Four magazines each of 10 rounds. b. Targets (1) At 100x, a single “Half DP1” target. (2) At 200x, a single DP1 target. (3) At 300x, a single DP1 target. c. Exposures As shown in paras 3, 4, 5 and 6 below. d. HPS Each hit will score 4 points. The individual HPS (Highest Possible Score) is therefore 160 points. The number of hits will be read out at the end of the match. e. Ties Ties will be broken on the greatest number of hits at the longest range (300x). 3. Practice 1 Procedure a. Timings in this practice will be as follows: (1) One exposure of 25 seconds followed by two exposures of three seconds at 100x, (2) One exposure of eight seconds (up and hold) at 200x, (3) Four exposures of four seconds at 300x. There will be a five second interval between all exposures. b. Firers will be marshalled onto the firing point with all equipment. The order "Watch Out!" will be given. c. The first exposure of the 100x target is the signal to adopt the prone position, load, make ready and open fire. d. Any number of shots may be fired at each exposure except that only three hits will count on the target at 200x. e. At the end of this practice, firers will be ordered to unload and their rifles will be cleared. 4. Practice 2 Procedure a. Timings in this practice will be as follows: (1) One exposure of four seconds at 300x, (2) Nine further exposures, three at 300x for four seconds, three at 200x for three seconds and three at 100x for three seconds. There will be a two second interval between all exposures. b. Firers will be ordered to adopt the prone position. c. The 300x target will be exposed for four seconds. Firers should fire one round at this target. The target will fall when hit. d. The target will then make nine more appearances as shown in the timing chart above. One shot should be fired at each exposure. e. After the final exposure, firers will be ordered to unload and rifles will be cleared. 5. Practice 3 Procedure a. Timings in this practice will be as follows: (1) Five series of exposures of two targets at different ranges, the first exposure being for six seconds and the second exposure for three seconds. There will be a two second interval between exposures. (2) There will be a total of four exposures at 300x, three at 200x and three at 100x. (3) There will be a 15 second interval between each pair of exposures to allow firers to move back two yards. b. Firers will be ordered to form up two yards behind their firing point, load with a magazine of 10 rounds and to make ready. They will be ordered to adopt the 'Standing Alert' position, and the order "Watch Out" will then be given. c. On the appearance of the targets firers are to advance to the firing point, adopt the "Kneeling " position, release safety catches and open fire. d. On the disappearance of the targets the firers are to apply their safety catches, move back two yards (keeping the rifles pointed down the range) and adopt the "Standing Alert" position without further order. e. This procedure will then be repeated four further times, giving a total of 10 exposures in all. f. Firers will then be ordered to unload and rifles will be cleared. 6. Practice 4 Procedure a. Timings in this practice will be as follows: (1) Five exposures of four seconds at 200x and five exposures of three seconds at 100x. (2) There will be an interval of 10 to 20 seconds between exposures. (3) Exposures will be in random order. b. Firers will be ordered to load with a magazine of 10 rounds and to make ready. They will be ordered to adopt the 'Standing Alert' position, and the order "Watch and Shoot!" will then be given. c. On the appearance of the targets firers are to adopt the Standing, Kneeling or Squatting position, release safety catches and open fire. d. Firers must return to the "Standing Alert" position after each exposure. e. After the last exposure firers will then be ordered to unload and rifles will be cleared. |
If I recall correctly last time we shot the Roupell on the new NRA ETR system Martin F made us all do a 100 yard dash across the firing point on the first practice as the exposure is 25 secs. Don't see why that should be removed from the COF as it's only 100 yards. 
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Because it is winter and therefore the grass / mud there is not conducive to running. Also the majority want a break from running for a match
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So it's not Civilian "Service Rifle" shooting then its Remedial, Medically Downgraded, Non-Aged Specific, Gender neutral "Service Rifle". Is the scoring system going to be amended to take in account the physiological differences between sexes, achieve gender equivalence, and reflect the average rate of performance decline with age. 
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That would be an interesting Spreadsheet  I bet Nick could set up the forumula.
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Just to be sure it was completely fair, I added weight into the equation for good measure. Guess what... I've already won!!
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And add a class for left handed shooters over the age of 60 and that's me sorted 
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I won't be able to make it to this one, but hope to be at the one in Feb. Are there going to be any rule changes proposed for the Any Optic Service Class ? There were one or two ideas being kicked around the forum not so long ago. Ie - only 4x mag scopes allowed etc ? Cheers Steven |
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H-T No mystery, no election required, all those asked, and accepted, a place on the committee are experienced, active, long term PR / SR shooters. There are 'wooden gun' shooters, 'Armalon shooters' and 'AR15 shooters'. They are also some of the best shooters. All the rules and procedures are not finalised yet. So I cannot comment on what the final rule decisions will be. PR is still alive. However, lately no-one wants to run / attend any matches, they would rather shoot CSR. 
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No mystery. The PR circuit consisted of an ever dwindling collection of shooters, all of whom weren't getting any younger and some of which had decided that it wasn't for them anymore. Coupled to this was the reduction in matches on the calendar, and PR has ended up where it is today. If you look at the matches that used to be on the calendar and then look at what happened to them, it makes for rather sad reading. Bangor: Losing the 400+yd long tunnel isn't going to help. Fingringhoe: Didn't happen last year, but is on this year on 1st March E.Holme: Still on but can only shoot saturdays. Moody's Down: Dropped because the organisers weren't interested anymore. Bodmin: Same as above. When Pete Bloom passed away, the impetus for this match went with him. Blue Team: Still going.....just Kemble: Ash ranges closed to Civilians Nationals: See Ash Llansilin: Still going, but that also has restrictions Altcar: Only prone shooting permitted Diggle: Under new management Beckingham: Still on in July S.Wales: Disagreements with Defence Estates ended that one. For these and other reasons, CSR has become a growing discipline. No-one killed off PR, it just started to die through circumstances |
Ok then, who are they, why the mystery? I appreciate they may not wish to have there names published here but what about an email or newsletter from the NRA identifying them as our representatives. How can they be lobbied and canvased by the participants if we don't know who they are. IM received but what about everyone else. |
It's on the way, as I said patience.  |
I'll post the link for you then, (PICNIC) CSR 27 Jan 08 Entry Form |
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There are none at the moment. The space is booked to shoot out of Pam 20 or to shoot something from the International events. Probably along the lines of a 7.62 Class 5.56 Class Wildcat Class Historic Class Might even run a pairs comp, if there is interest to do so. Depends what format we come up with from the Sub-Committee though. |
 Ah, I understand now, all will be kept secret until the unworthy are deemed ready.
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Its the NWO, Milo was right after all 
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New Range Order  |
I can't post what I think a sideways walking type like you warrants. Jumped up little Hitler syndrome does not sufficiently describe your demeanour an I not even going to start on the potato growing muncher with two legged support issues? 
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From the slightly initiated PR seems to be more about Gucci kit and distance and CSR is more about dynamic shooting at shorter distances and can be done with more basic kit. Each has it's attractions but I lean towards CSR (not that I've tried PR, but I can't do it all)...... ...I now await a good flaming........
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I'd like to but, thanks to a stupid women driver, I got pretty smashed up a while ago. The end result is that my left leg, especially the knee, had to be repaired with plates and pins. I find it very difficult to run and can't kneel on it at all. As I understand it the CSR matches involve shooting from different distances and positions against the clock. Don't know how I'd get on with that? |