Posted: 9/17/2007 1:39:11 PM EDT
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I'm going to apply for the Buckmark LBR, and was wondering if I send my old certificate with the form 101 application? Any other tips appreciated. Cheers |
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I don't send mine in with the application. I just send a covering letter saying I need to keep hold of it for when I travel to shooting, and ask them to let me know when my variation/renewal is at the front of the queue so I can send the old FAC back. They haven't complained yet... (and the FEO thought it was a good idea!!) ETA Sussex were quoting 8 weeks for a variation/renewal... |
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Greater Manchester Police are outstandingly good. Longest I have had to wait for a variation is 10 days, shortest is 4 days  My initial application only took 7 days if I remember correctly. I suppose they are better resourced than some other forces. Always had good advice and a realistic approach to sporting and target shooters. Mind you, I suppose they have a bit more to worry about down in the city than a bunch of nice target shooters like us..... |
Don't start that again!  Although yes. you are right, technically it's a rifle, but everyone I know of calls it a .22lr (or RF)Long Barrelled Pistol for licensing purposes.I was at my club at the weekend. they had a 'club' LBR which was available for members us, until West Mercia decided that wasn't right and seized it. Now they have decided that LBR's/LBP's cannot be 'club' guns, however club members may allow others to use their personal LBR's/LBP's under their direct supervision. Yet my own licensing authority sent me a letter saying that only I can use my LBP! 
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A big +1 there.. |
Even bigger +1, Cumbria put the blame at the door of the new FLiMs computer it use to only take a few days now its 6-8 weeks |
I don't use form 101, I just write them a nice letter  The FLMS rollout has been a PITA...you really wouldnt think it would be that difficult would you....but thats gov't IT projects for you. ETA - I was always under the impression that LBR's could never be held on club certificates, another crazy law, but there you go.. Icarus - Would you mind posting up that pic of your Buckmark again ? Cheers Steven |
is this is another case of a constabulary inventing their own rules I thought the whole point of the LBP was it fell into the rifle class dimensions and therefore outside the banned handgun category. shouldn't it just be treated as another pistol calibre rifle? |
Anyone know where the LPR / LBP came from? Legally (to me) they are just the same as a rifle - as in too long to be banned for being a pistol. Seems there's getting more and more regulations/restrictions on them without any basis in law (that I know of). |
AFAIK there is still no such thing as an LBR or LBP in law (unless it's been changed recently and I wasn't informed and as a dealer the FEO usually sends out the info). We are allowed rifles or muzzle loading pistols only (oh, and shotguns etc on S1 but that's not the point). But there is still the legal definition of a rifle - if it meets that definition it is a rifle. |
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They are supposedly a sec 1 rifle, but seems to home office doesn't want to keep it that simple. Here's info from Alan Westlake and his battle with the home office: westlakeengineering.com/12001.html |
I think the problem here is he called it a long pistol. |
Absoloutely. IMHO this LBR/LBP misnomer was self-induced by the industry. For marketing purposes manfcturers wanted to convince shooters that they were getting 'pistols' so coined the phrase. They do of course meet the legislative requirements for rifles so they should have just kept their gobs shut, as shooters could see exactly what they are and figure where they might be best used for competition. One in the foot there, I think.... 
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I called Kent Police today to find out how my variation for a .223 was going. I sent it in 6 weeks ago and it was supposed to take upto 2 months. Now they tell me it will be another month till they get to me have Colin |
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I heard from several sources that this was highlighted by the NRA and was publicised in one of their journals. I’ve not seen this so I cannot guarantee this as a cold fact. I understand that this mix up started from the home office guidelines in section 13.43 Long-barrelled revolvers, long-range pistols and section 1 shot guns do not fall within the three Home Office categories of approval for target shooting clubs and therefore they cannot take advantage of the free club certificate issued to Home Office approved clubs. They can however be held on an individual’s firearm certificate as long as they have the facilities to use the firearms for target shooting Home office guidance Owning a LBR and a LBP I am frequently asked by other member if they can try them out. Not wanting to break the law I decide to call my local licensing dept to ask for clarification. hat I categorically asked .... Does this allow me as the licensed holder of a long barrelled pistol the right to allow anyone else participating at the club to use the said arm. The reply was YES. Section 18.2 is very clear which allow any club member to right to use another members’ firearm while they are undertaking the sport of target shooting. height=8
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