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Posted: 3/8/2006 9:30:26 AM EDT
What are the legal methods to load a centerfire rifle in the UK? My understanding is that while bolt actions are acceptable, semi-autos are not.

Would it be legal to utilize another gas system to cycle the action?

For example, take a UK legal AR. Design a dual wall free float tube that can serve as a pressure vessel. Add a trigger valve as part of a vertical grip with a safety interlock tied to the normal trigger. The outlet of the pressure vessel would be the carrier key. Port pressure of an AR is some 15 kpsi, I sure the pressure is much less at the carrier. A charged pressure vessel should be sufficient for several mags.

The firing sequence would be something like:
Charge the pressure vessel and rifle. Fire a shot. Release the normal trigger. Squeeze the trigger on the foregrip to charge the rifle. Fire again.

Technically, the rifle would not be a semi-suto because another physical action has to be accomplished to charge the rifle. Your free-float tube might be a little larger in diameter and a little heavier because of the dual function.

With the machinist types and air gun shooters in the UK, I think someone could develop a system like this.

Just an idea

SRM


Link Posted: 3/8/2006 9:51:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 10:26:19 AM EDT by Bunnyassassin]
Semi-Auto .22LR's are fine over here........

Quite a few of the blokes on here have V22's and the like.....

However, I prefer my 10/22 for bunny bashing.

Edit: Never read thread properly, apologies!
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 9:51:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 9:52:17 AM EDT by JohanLondon]
Would not float...the law is pretty clear about prohibiting any other charging system but a manual, bolt loading system to 'charge' the fullbore, centrefire 'rifled barrel' weapon.

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:14:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 10:15:38 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 1:12:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 1:13:44 PM EDT by JohanLondon]
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 1:25:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohanLondon:
What do you guys think/rate the DPMS-SCG carbine in .22?
www.southern-gun.co.uk/displayproducts.php?catid=1&PHPSESSID=de10b2df509201dbcad5e7696762d1df

www.southern-gun.co.uk/itemimages/105l.jpg



Don't f**king start that one again
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:10:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:15:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By JohanLondon:
What do you guys think/rate the DPMS-SCG carbine in .22?
www.southern-gun.co.uk/displayproducts.php?catid=1&PHPSESSID=de10b2df509201dbcad5e7696762d1df

www.southern-gun.co.uk/itemimages/105l.jpg



Don't f**king start that one again




2nd only to an M261…







Not as good as my Ceiner
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:19:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 2:21:04 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:22:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohanLondon:
What do you guys think/rate the DPMS-SCG carbine in .22?
www.southern-gun.co.uk/displayproducts.php?catid=1&PHPSESSID=de10b2df509201dbcad5e7696762d1df

www.southern-gun.co.uk/itemimages/105l.jpg



I can think of better ways to blow a grand

Why not spend say 300 on a 10/22 and the remaining 7 on tricking it up and special brew

At least then when it out shoots fat Bobs expensive mock up you'll be too pissed to care

Believe me I've been there

Don't waste your money
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:23:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By JohanLondon:
What do you guys think/rate the DPMS-SCG carbine in .22?
www.southern-gun.co.uk/displayproducts.php?catid=1&PHPSESSID=de10b2df509201dbcad5e7696762d1df

www.southern-gun.co.uk/itemimages/105l.jpg



Don't f**king start that one again




2nd only to an M261…







Not as good as my Ceiner



OK then…

No1: M261
No2: Ciener (when the mags not playing silly buggers)
No3: DPMS

and a mention in despatches for the V22 'look-a-like'




V22, and the 1st 2 letters/digits in V22 are..............
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:31:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 2:35:19 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:09:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohanLondon:
Would not float...the law is pretty clear about prohibiting any other charging system but a manual, bolt loading system to 'charge' the fullbore, centrefire 'rifled barrel' weapon.




Bummer......Well, they are experts at their jobs. Pity.

You are all welcome to shoot whatever I have if you make it over here.

SRM
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:21:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SRM:
What are the legal methods to load a centerfire rifle in the UK? My understanding is that while bolt actions are acceptable, semi-autos are not.

Would it be legal to utilize another gas system to cycle the action?

For example, take a UK legal AR. Design a dual wall free float tube that can serve as a pressure vessel. Add a trigger valve as part of a vertical grip with a safety interlock tied to the normal trigger. The outlet of the pressure vessel would be the carrier key. Port pressure of an AR is some 15 kpsi, I sure the pressure is much less at the carrier. A charged pressure vessel should be sufficient for several mags.

The firing sequence would be something like:
Charge the pressure vessel and rifle. Fire a shot. Release the normal trigger. Squeeze the trigger on the foregrip to charge the rifle. Fire again.

Technically, the rifle would not be a semi-suto because another physical action has to be accomplished to charge the rifle. Your free-float tube might be a little larger in diameter and a little heavier because of the dual function.

With the machinist types and air gun shooters in the UK, I think someone could develop a system like this.

Just an idea

SRM





SRM,

One of gunsmiths and AR producers here in the UK was working on exactly that principle, biased more towards the unloading action being the 'semi-auto' option.
Not sure what happened to it, but the BATF equivalent (The Home Office) have several ambiguous words inplace to enable them to curtail any such project if they want to.
They use phases like 'should not be readily convertable to semi or fully automatic fire'
A statement like that you can only fight in court, and shooters here just don't have the numbers or money to fight such a court case.
In addition the National governing bodies here in the UK are very detatched from any 'overt' political action unlike your USA NRA. They tend to fight in a 'covert' holding stance to keep any more restrictions being imposed.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 3:46:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ACR26:

Originally Posted By SRM:
What are the legal methods to load a centerfire rifle in the UK? My understanding is that while bolt actions are acceptable, semi-autos are not.

Would it be legal to utilize another gas system to cycle the action?

For example, take a UK legal AR. Design a dual wall free float tube that can serve as a pressure vessel. Add a trigger valve as part of a vertical grip with a safety interlock tied to the normal trigger. The outlet of the pressure vessel would be the carrier key. Port pressure of an AR is some 15 kpsi, I sure the pressure is much less at the carrier. A charged pressure vessel should be sufficient for several mags.

The firing sequence would be something like:
Charge the pressure vessel and rifle. Fire a shot. Release the normal trigger. Squeeze the trigger on the foregrip to charge the rifle. Fire again.

Technically, the rifle would not be a semi-suto because another physical action has to be accomplished to charge the rifle. Your free-float tube might be a little larger in diameter and a little heavier because of the dual function.

With the machinist types and air gun shooters in the UK, I think someone could develop a system like this.

Just an idea

SRM





SRM,

One of gunsmiths and AR producers here in the UK was working on exactly that principle, biased more towards the unloading action being the 'semi-auto' option.
Not sure what happened to it, but the BATF equivalent (The Home Office) have several ambiguous words inplace to enable them to curtail any such project if they want to.
They use phases like 'should not be readily convertable to semi or fully automatic fire'
A statement like that you can only fight in court, and shooters here just don't have the numbers or money to fight such a court case.
In addition the National governing bodies here in the UK are very detatched from any 'overt' political action unlike your USA NRA. They tend to fight in a 'covert' holding stance to keep any more restrictions being imposed.



Well put, hence my wording...anything that is a centrefire, fullbore, rifled barrel weapon can only use a specific manual charging action system...the .gov used very specific wording in the law to curtail any experimentation/workarounds..
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