Posted: 7/9/2005 8:24:15 AM EDT
After a few days away the postman bought me some shiny new bits to play with... Half a Magpul M93B, and a MIAD grip... (The other half is still on route!!!) |
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Yesterday = Classic ;) ive actually got quite a bit on order, the stock the grip, actual magpulls for my HK A2 Mag colection, and ime getting some of them there ranger plates to have a play with too :) Cant wait, just waiting for a postage total off the guy, James, |
Its ok...  I'll get over it eventually 
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I somewhat concur...  Question??? I recently purchased a HK 30 rounder for 52 USD...What are they going for in the UK??? Also...Is this a good deal ??? Value: $43.71 Our Low Price: $39.97 Your Savings: $3.74 (8.56%) Radway British .223 military surplus with SS109 heavy penetrator steel core projectile. This is 150 rounds on strippers, 15 strippers per 150 round bandolier. This is the standard for military use with the heavy military bullet, .223 it works better in the newer rifles with faster rifle twist. The .223 caliber, 62-grain full metal jacket, brass case and Boxer-primed, non-corrosive come loaded on 10 rounds per stripper clip, 150 rounds per bandolier, we sell this by the 150 bandolier. If you order 6 bandoliers, we will throw in a free 50-caliber ammo can. This is a green tip heavy-penetrating bullet. Non-returnable item; we will not accept any returns on this. You will be charged an additional $3.00 total handling fee on all orders for ammunition. Ammo restrictions: We do not sell ammunition to Massachusetts; New York City; Washington, DC; or Cook County, Illinois. Please check your state and local laws before ordering ammunition. Ammo Price Is Per Box Ammo Cannot Ship by Air! An advertisment from "Cheaper Than Dirt" here local (Texas) I spent over 300 USD on One Thousand rounds of 55gr and One Thousand rds. of 62gr Lake City...To only find out it was "pulled Down"  I have to inspect every round before usage.I'm quite leery of surplus ammo at the moment....Please Advise  |
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Wally, I've seen the HK 30 rnd mags go for anywhere between £10 and £30, but usually nearer the £15-20 mark - thats about $30-40. RG SS109 usually retails for about £20-25/100 (c. $45/100) The bandoleered surplus we get is usually straight from the armoury/store/manufacturer and as such not 'pulled-down'. The stuff in bandoleers usually is the 4ball+1tracer (ie 8ball and 2 tracer per clip). If by 'pulled-down' you mean the tracer round is removed from the clip and replaced with another ball round, then that happens all the time, as not many people have access to a range where tracer can be fired. But you shouldn't need to check every round as the replacement round should have come from the same box/can/batch of ammo. $300+ for 2K of surplus is about 1/2 the cost of surplus in the UK and so seems cheap, but I don't know the local going rate. Matt |
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As a HK mag whore, And independent price expert ive never paid more than £20 ( BNIW) And actually bought 10 mags for £8 that where brand new but not in the wrapper, So im pretty lucky in that the 13 ive got ( sold 5 last night) are prety much Brand new, Condition doesnt really bother me now that i have my HK magazine refurbishment kit!!! (can of bake on spray paint ) as for the ammo, Cant seem to get any 5.56 by us, I mostly reload my own anyway, wouldnt mind some different 5.56 types for my ammo collection though, ive only got normal stuff, id love some tracer and some AP, If you uk guys ever find a good source give me a shout and i'll get me some :) James, |
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Thanks for the info Gents. This is the stuff I purchaced   The PD means Pulled Down...From what I read on the fourms ( Which I should have done first before submitting an order) Factory rounds were taken apart then later re-loaded. That is why I have to inspect each round ( dented cases, split necks etc.) My HK mag is so bloody perfect that I don't think I could bear to use it...and at $52.00  |
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UK GUY I have an ammunition collectors ticket too, but I am not allowed AP, as I have rifles! That said, I am sure you need HO approval for AP API etc etc. Does it mention AP on your ticket, or are you assuming......? Mine has reference to expanding for collection. Please check, You could be in for a nasty shock.................. |
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Aditional conditions.. The holdwer of this certificate may acquire and posses a maximum of 1000 rds of amunition to which section 1 of the fireams act apllies to as a collection... Then in my ammo autohrised to acquire / posses, upto 30mm a/p missiles upto .50 expanding missiles upto 30mm incendiery missiles im allowed to buy 75.. but only posses 100 lol James, |
So, it looks like you can have Section 1 ammo (standard ball, FMJ, lead etc) and the Section 5 missiles (ie heads) only, not ammo. It looks like the AP and expanding etc are not complete rounds. Check before you buy. Even expanding rounds/missiles/heads are Sect5, but can be acquired on the Sect1 ticket with a special condition attached. But what's wrong with 30mm expanding missiles, for those really stubborn deer 
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Exactly, why not up to 30mm expanding? Would make a right mess of a car or truck, and anyone inside.  Maybe when Jurrassic Park gets up and running again we can use it for hunting brontosaurus. I'd want explosive for the TRex though. Do you reckon Hornady make a VMax in 30mm? |
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You are very lucky then, as I said earlier, most forces will not let you have AP if you own rifles in any of the collection calibres. I am told it is a police protection thing, ARV's don't like AP, and as we are all obviously about to go rougue.................. 
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Mark What's the crack with 223 tracer?...do you need it to be on your ticket? I'm going to Brecon this Saturday and would like to try a few. Also that Peter Lawman link...would I have to get them to mail ammo to a local gun shop or would it be collect only? Cheers Taffy |
Hey chaps this is the first I've heard of ammo collector on a ticket. Can you give me more info....ie what to say when requesting it...lol or anyone got any links for me to check stuff out in more detail Cheers Taffy |
Ha, whaddya you know eh?? Worrya taakin aboot man?? I have a Vltor too, and an original ally one too, so I knowzzzzz. Never did like the plastic one much. Mark |
Taff, you can get it sent to your local dealer Mark |
Taffy, You don't need specific 'tracer' on your ticket, just the correct 'calibre' as usual (actually cartridge size), and you can either collect or get it sent to your local dealer. At SenTA you'll need the permission of the Range Warden, and if it's as hot and dry there as it is here then I bet the answer would be NO. Saying that, we have set fire to StanTA on several occations, once after a long wet spell and it was -5'C (c 28'F) in the middle of the night - the only time for tracer 
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Just ask your local FEO, Im sure they will be able to advise, Ive had mine for a few years, its amazing how many odd's and sods you pick up , James, |
It really helps your case if you can answer a few questions specific to collecting, ie types (military, hunting, etc) and know more than "I just like the look of them, Officer, and want more". Membership of the European Cartridge Collectors Club is also a good sign. If you want the collectors ticket so you can go buy anything you see and not have a specific agenda then you might find the ticket hard to come by. If you are genuinely interested in collecting then you should have some knowledge of the subject. Otherwise don't try. |
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Cheers for all the info guys. Collecting Ammo I don't think will be my thing. I'd just not heard much about it. The only ammo I need to worry about is for my next session at the range......  I still think i'll try to get some tracer tommorow as we're expecting rain the next day or two. And It'll be my first attempt at over 300m with my ikkle rifle so I'd like some idea within a few meters  as to where they are landingCheers Taffy |
OK then guys tell me why you are all drooling over this "star wars type stock" Am I missing something....what does it do that's soooo cool? some one start me of with the cost... If I need to ask does that mean I can't afford it?Cheers Taffy |
Hmmm Visited two gun shops today and phoned another. Reference "TRACER" One told me it was a gray area an they new nothing about it...did not stock or sell any Second told me We have it in all the time but we are out of stock...would I like to order some? And the Third which is South Wales biggest shooting supplier told me BIG no no ...that's illegal mate you's not allowed that (This was the manager not a minion either) So I'm gonna ring my friendly LEO and get his viewpoint next What a cufuffle Taffy  |
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Tracer is NOT prohibited to FAC holders, it is just not very well known or popular. You might find that MOD range users are not allowed to fire 5.56mm tracer on a military ranges at the moment anyway. In addition for 7.62mm you are not allowed to fire it on MOD gallery ranges at less than 200M from the targets if the butts are manned. Also the local range orders / weather conditions might preclude its use. Finaly don't expect great accuracy, it is also dark (unlit) to about 25-35M from the muzzle and in a 'standard' 1:9 twist 5.56mm AR15 forget it , you are most likely to get slung off the range for being downright dangerous. (no projectile stability) |
Sounds like i might as well not bother....I have seen it used there with range permision and I was aware of the weather condition restrictions buy ohhh well it'll be a good days shooting anyway laters Taffy |
Taff, they cost about $220 and they are one of the ultimate go-fast accessories for the AR.  You won't really know how good they are until you try one. First off, they are as solid as a solid thing. They extend farther than a fixed A2 stock, so are more accomodating. They have 7 or 8 adjustment positions compared to std carbine stock's 3, 4 and 5 positions. When you lock them in position, there is absolutely no movement or rattle. Also they offer a full length cheek weld, unlike the std carbine stocks, where, if you're like me, your cheek will be half on the stock and half on the buffer tube. And they are extremely comfortable. I could go on..................... Mark (the 1st Magpul owner in the UK) |
The wouldn't be Litts, would it? The confusion's all to do with the way the law is worded. (section 5(1A)(d)) any ammunition for military use which consists of, or incorporates, a missile designed so that a substance contained in the missile will ignite on or immediately before impact; The problem is; what is 'immediately' before impact. Immediately before I arrive home from work could be 5 minutes, several lifetimes for a bullet. Is it a time (a 5.56 round typically takes around 1 second to travel 600yds, so 1 second before impact could be in the barrel) or a distance? This is where the problem occurs. It is generally accepted that this phrasing is related specifiaclly to incendiary rounds and not tracer, but some dealers only read the law, not the guidance notes, and interpret it for themselves. Home Office guidance to the police states; 3.14 Category (xii)[ie the section 5(1A)(d) mentioned above] refers to ammunition designed to have an incendiary effect at the target. This includes missiles containing napalm and similar substances. It does not include tracer rounds. And the not is underlined in the guidance. So take a copy of the guidance along tot he store. |
It would be yes...and it was Karl I spoke to And I could almost hear him turn his nose up at my question. I had bought a few pistols from there years ago and on my visits these days they only seem to realy cater for "Air rifle" or "Shotgun" there's not a lot of full bore rifle stuff or even interest in it Oh well....thanks for the info again Matt....(the oracle) Cheers Taffy Imagine the silence I would have listened to, if I'd asked him about a magpul 
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