Posted: 3/29/2012 2:52:59 PM EDT
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My son, who's stationed at Holloman AFB, called me yesterday and told me that New Mexico no longer recognizes Florida's CWP, which is where he moved from several months ago. In looking at NM statutes, it would appear that on Monday, 3/26, a whole lot of states are no longer sharing reciprocity with NM. Looks like it has to do with "substantially similar" training requirements. Any thoughts as to this getting fixed? |
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The system is broken.
We've been working in fixing it. I can understand why they stopped recognizing Utah's license but NM's "substantially similar" requirement is a slippery slope. Despite our requirements being so high, I can see other states not recognizing our CHLs as a tit-for-tat. Thanks, Lee |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the NM shooting requirement really easy? When I read the laws it sounds like you are shooting at a 12x18 target and it is hit or miss, IIRC you have to have 40% hits. I dont think that NM requirement is hard.
How will this Rederal Reciprocity bill effect things? I think it would be a good move to set out a basic requirement and pass it along to all the other states and see if we all can pass the same shooting requirement. MAHA |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the NM shooting requirement really easy? When I read the laws it sounds like you are shooting at a 12x18 target and it is hit or miss, IIRC you have to have 40% hits. I dont think that NM requirement is hard. How will this Rederal Reciprocity bill effect things? I think it would be a good move to set out a basic requirement and pass it along to all the other states and see if we all can pass the same shooting requirement. MAHA I don't think it's the shooting but the training in general. NM requires 15 hours of training. |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the NM shooting requirement really easy? When I read the laws it sounds like you are shooting at a 12x18 target and it is hit or miss, IIRC you have to have 40% hits. I dont think that NM requirement is hard. How will this federal Reciprocity bill effect things? I think it would be a good move to set out a basic requirement and pass it along to all the other states and see if we all can pass the same shooting requirement. MAHA thats what i dont want to see the gov't do. by my understanding the bill will make CHL's more like driver licenses ie you get one in new mexico and its good everywhere. But i dont want them mandating what the requirements are. That could be a very slippery slope. |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the NM shooting requirement really easy? When I read the laws it sounds like you are shooting at a 12x18 target and it is hit or miss, IIRC you have to have 40% hits. I dont think that NM requirement is hard. How will this federal Reciprocity bill effect things? I think it would be a good move to set out a basic requirement and pass it along to all the other states and see if we all can pass the same shooting requirement. MAHA thats what i dont want to see the gov't do. by my understanding the bill will make CHL's more like driver licenses ie you get one in new mexico and its good everywhere. But i dont want them mandating what the requirements are. That could be a very slippery slope. It would be a slippery slope but with good input from the ones who carry. We can make it a decent requirement. it will take more than just one state to propose the changes. With ARFcom we have access to people around the world. It is doable it will not be an overnight change but with time and effort it can and will change. MAHA |
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The state does require that it include gun 101 and many students seem to need it.
Not everyone who seeks a CHL is a gun person. It could be a liability nightmare to allow testing out of portions of the class. We try keep it from being too boring by letting the experienced folks help the others. |
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I took the class and have my license. I can't say anything that was required by the State was new to me..
Driving has far more rules and things to learn but you don't have to sit through a class to take the written test. You don't have to go to a driving school to take the road test. I don't mind the range test. It is so easy a blind man could pass it, just point him in the proper direction. I have heard that ex LEOs don't have to take the class or shoot to get their CCW. A question for the instructors here. When I renew after 4 years is the class the same as the first time? Another full price class? |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the NM shooting requirement really easy? When I read the laws it sounds like you are shooting at a 12x18 target and it is hit or miss, IIRC you have to have 40% hits. I dont think that NM requirement is hard. How will this federal Reciprocity bill effect things? I think it would be a good move to set out a basic requirement and pass it along to all the other states and see if we all can pass the same shooting requirement. MAHA thats what i dont want to see the gov't do. by my understanding the bill will make CHL's more like driver licenses ie you get one in new mexico and its good everywhere. But i dont want them mandating what the requirements are. That could be a very slippery slope. THAT is why I have opposed the Federal reciprocity law. |
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I took the class and have my license. I can't say anything that was required by the State was new to me.. Driving has far more rules and things to learn but you don't have to sit through a class to take the written test. You don't have to go to a driving school to take the road test. I don't mind the range test. It is so easy a blind man could pass it, just point him in the proper direction. I have heard that ex LEOs don't have to take the class or shoot to get their CCW. A question for the instructors here. When I renew after 4 years is the class the same as the first time? Another full price class? No. The state says four hours of class but also specifies what needs to be covered, which takes longer than four hours. We train to the higher standard to provide the best for our students. Hit me up when you need yours. I'll take good care of you. Thanks, Lee |
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So it appears as of April 26th NM has dropped AZ as well. Not many alternatives left for those out of state who do business or visit family and prefer to conceal versus open carry when we visit.  Yep, looks like the idiots in charge of CCW are fucking it all up. pretty soon we won't be able to carry anywhere outside NM. Hell it seems as with all the new states being dropped their are already more places we can't carry than we are allowed to. |
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Then why get one? I mean really I love my non-res FL cause it is vaild in IIRC 21 other states. I am going to have to get my NM so I carry here. I would Open carry all the time but I know the sheeple will call the cops all the time. Then I would have to start carrying the Statue that proves one can open carry... This is just getting stupid.
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NM dropped all but 5 states: MO, NE, NC, ND and OK OF those five states, all but North Dakota issues only to residents of that respective state. North Dakota requires that class be taken within their state as a non-resident. This among specific steps that have to be taken in contrast to other states to obtain their permit. NM is truly missing out by not having a non-resident option in place before dropping all these other states reciprocity. |
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It's really a shame that they can't get this sorted out.
Is there anyone us out of state folks can call that might make a difference? I can see that maybe some states CHL training like in GA for example, don't really measure up to other states standards. All my Uncle in GA had to do was show up at the court house and pay $25. In TX we go through the same background checks and nearly the same training as NM it seems. My wife and I love being in NM. But I doubt I'll plan to spend a bunch of time there until they get this fixed and I can carry just like I do in TX and AZ. If the State of NM continues to be shitty about this it's going to cost them some much needed tourist $$ !! Although it might be hard to measure there will be a fair amount of Texans and Arizonans who will spend their travel money elsewhere. Has someone pointed that out? No offense to you Arfcommers in NM. I love your State. Best Regards, EMSflyer |
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... If the State of NM continues to be shitty about this it's going to cost them some much needed tourist $$ !! Although it might be hard to measure there will be a fair amount of Texans and Arizonans who will spend their travel money elsewhere. Has someone pointed that out? ... Next time I need to go to Colorado or Utah I will make a point to drive up through Oklahoma instead of going through New Mexico. It may not be much but I usually make stops at least for gas, food, etc. when I go. |
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Texas has dropped NM now.
I don't think so. Got a link? According to TX DPS NM CC is still recognized by Texas... but that may not be for much longer. Edit –– note that the DPS page is also out of date on some things... such as Iowa... As of 1/1/2011 Iowa recognizes most states including Texas' permits... but the TX DPS page still says no... |
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Texas has dropped NM now.
I don't think so. Got a link? http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf That's the most up to date information. TX and CO don't recognize NM permits anymore |
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf
That's the most up to date information. TX and CO don't recognize NM permits anymore Try these though: http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf I love handgunlaw.us, but I think the Texas DPS web site is authoritative on this subject. |
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It looks like they backed down???
http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-concealed-carry/reciprocity-agreements/ |
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It looks like they backed down??? http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-concealed-carry/reciprocity-agreements/ Indeed it does look like they did. Who knows what's going on 
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf
That's the most up to date information. TX and CO don't recognize NM permits anymore Try these though: http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf I love handgunlaw.us, but I think the Texas DPS web site is authoritative on this subject. As mentioned above the TX website is wildly out of date on several things. In the first link you posted at the bottom on the latest update it says TX will no longer recognize NM licenses, although it's not updated on the list at the top. It seems it's all for nothing though now that the NM DPS website changed again and now says they haven't made any changes
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Thanks to all you NM Arfcommers who called your Governor's office and other departments.
Future trip through Santa Fe and Chama (on our way to PHX) this fall is back on schedule. Looking forward to spending time in your beautiful state and enjoying my 2A rights at the same time !! Cheers, EMSflyer |
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Current as of 5-1-12
NM DPS CCW Agreements Edit: I clicked on the Texas link and under the New Mexico heading it said: As of April 27 2012, NM no longer recognizes Tx ccw licensees. |
I am really confused now.....when I click on CO on the NM page I don't get anything. It doesn't load ? 
I was just down over Easter weekend to pickup mail and check on our place and I was carrying concealed the whole time. So what's up? I entered on the thread yesterday on the Gen Discussion. Has this been resolved ? |
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I am really confused now.....when I click on CO on the NM page I don't get anything. It doesn't load ?
I was just down over Easter weekend to pickup mail and check on our place and I was carrying concealed the whole time. So what's up? I entered on the thread yesterday on the Gen Discussion. Has this been resolved ? Cliff notes: DPS tried to pull a fast one and remove reciprocity with all but 5 states. Everyone got mad and complained to the Governor and she called a special meeting with DPS and the Sec. of State and after the meeting the DPS website changed to say they were only performing an "audit" and no laws changed. NM recognizes CO and all the original states' permits again. |
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I am really confused now.....when I click on CO on the NM page I don't get anything. It doesn't load ?
I was just down over Easter weekend to pickup mail and check on our place and I was carrying concealed the whole time. So what's up? I entered on the thread yesterday on the Gen Discussion. Has this been resolved ? Cliff notes: DPS tried to pull a fast one and remove reciprocity with all but 5 states. Everyone got mad and complained to the Governor and she called a special meeting with DPS and the Sec. of State and after the meeting the DPS website changed to say they were only performing an "audit" and no laws changed. NM recognizes CO and all the original states' permits again. Sounds like a chickenshit move on behalf of DPS. Glad the Governer didn't take the complaints lightly. |
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I got a reply from the DPS CCW Unit......I am hoping that our emails and letters are making a difference!
"Sir, Thank you for your comments concerning concealed carry reciprocity. You’ll be pleased to know that our audit of concealed reciprocity is continuing, rather than ending. Our reciprocity web page has been updated (yesterday) to reflect this fact, with reciprocity or recognition remaining intact with many states at this time. http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-concealed-carry/reciprocity-agreements/ Regards, Sergeant Suzanne M. Skasik NMDPS/SID/CCU" |
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Im still confused and need to know the right answer, I live in New Mexico, but I have a TX CHL an I legal or not? I don't understand why it can not be just cut and dry Yes you're legal again (still). http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf |