Posted: 12/19/2012 1:57:44 PM EDT
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Unsuspecting buyers BEWARE. Bullseye Guns and Ammo on Shackleford in Little Rock, AR has raised the prices on their merchandise in response to the demand generated by the actions of the recent market. If you are a potential buyer and had an expectation about the amount you’re willing to spend or previously allocated a certain amount of funds for an item you may want to explore other businesses and their prices and product availability before pulling the trigger with this company. Furthermore, consumers have reported the service provided by some of business associates to be rather callous and questions if addressed are met with a level of arrogance that could be off putting to some. This is a private business so consumers who choose to visit the store will do so at their own risk. This information is being provided for the novice shopper that may not like feeling intimidated or inferior while trying to determine which firearm is right for them. |
| After posting this I spoke with a few other enthusiasts and they filled me in on similar accounts that they have had with this store. Apparently the Pmag pandemic struck this location as well. One person said they were telling people over the phone that they were getting Pmags the next day but would be $59.99 when all the while they had Pmags in stock for $19.99. Again people please beware. |
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dude...
don't be butthurt you procrastinated on purchasing things that anyone with half a brain knows was due to become scarce again. if you ever took economics, you should know about elasticity, but if you don't here you go Capitalism, its real. stack it deep and sit on your pile while others complain about not getting while the gettings good From everyone I know, who btw are not in your predicament, know that Bullseye are good people and merely trying to stay alive in this market. you can take your business elsewhere and you are bound to find the same thing |
| I'm not in any type of predicament. I do recognize the the concept of supply and demand. That's is why, like I previously stated, I did take my business elsewhere and obtained the product with which I was looking for. My supply is now good. So thanks for paying attention. So if it makes me a "puss" to look out for the rest of my community then I will wear that moniker. But if you are here to defend this store because you have a personal tie to someone in the place and don't care that they are taking advantage of a situation then lets roll. People should be fed up with being treated like crap even if it is a privately owned business. To treat people this way is morally wrong. You that are saying to put up with it because they treat people how they want because they can fill the demand will be the same people that will complain about government tax increases. The same should hold true on both issues. Enough is enough. |
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Everyone but the OP - we're all in this together. Be a touch more civil about it. This is going to be a busy place for the next few months and we want to be as helpful as possible.
OP - that being said... What did you expect?? Have you seen thee news in the past 96 hours? They will sell their products at a certain price or they will lower the price until they do. By all means spend your money where and on what you want, but the days of cheap lowers and plentiful mags are behind us. At least for a few months. It will trickle into LPKS, BCGs, and apparently AAC & SF flash hider mounts (  ) and then things will settle down.
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| Cowboy you are and everyone else is absolutely correct. I am not trying to cause a stir and I initiated the post for the same reason you stated. We are at the mere beginning of what could be a dramatic shift in legislation and rights we may be deprived of. I felt that people deserved to know how I and others like me were treated as we tried to obtain what we felt could become non existent in the very near future. I apologize to anyone that felt I was using this thread as a platform to complain about missing out. It was not the case and not my intention. As enthusiasts we all have to band together in order to see this through no matter the outcome. It does anger me that a company would blatantly take advantage of a consumer in order to make a buck but I am not oblivious to the way the world works and realize that others just think its business practice. But it doesn't make it right. This thread was meant to serve others as a use caution not a deterrent. Shop where you choose but had I known some of these things before and still tried to conduct business then it would have been shame on me. |
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I don't have ties to them. But I'm a Rand capitalist. Commerce is done at the agreement of 2 parties without coercion. By either party. Agree but there is coercion here! Just in the form of our own government! I used to have hope but it is slowly going out the door! |
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Everyone needs to be fore warned. I went into the BullseyeGuns and Ammo store on Shackleford in Little Rock, Ar on Friday Dec 14, 2012 with the intent on purchasing 3 stripped Anderson Manufacture AR lowers. The listed online price at the time was $64.00. I knew I would have to pay a little more since its not a chain store and for the convenience of it being down the street. I get there and they have them listed for $139.00 each. I tell the smug clerk behind the counter that I intended to purchase more than one and asked if there was anyway to cushion the butt raping I was about to receive. I asked if he could knock off 20 bucks or so since they were advertised so low else where or throw in a magazine or something. I got the ol' the owner has said no deals are to be made under any circumstances because they ordered 100 and only received 5. I said okay and said I would take my business else where. After watching the news over the last couple of days I wondered. I just called Bullseye again and asked if they had any lower receivers in stock and as expected they said they did not. I asked when they would be receiving any and was told tomorrow. I asked what the cost was o which I was told $229.00. I was thinking maybe they got a hook into bushmaster or some other high name brand. So I asked who the manufacture was. Anderson Manufacturing was the response. I then said that Friday the store had already listed them twice over the MSRP and now they were doubling that price. I know we are going through hard times right now but come on. I am all for supporting small businesses until acts such as these. Please anyone reading use caution when dealing with this business. First of all: Paragraphs. That's a big wall of butthurt there. If you see a $229 stripped lower and the first thing to come to mind is "Bushmaster", then you need to reevaluate your AR price pyramid. Price gouging? No. You should've just said that Bullseye was higher than you wanted to pay, so you went to an undisclosed location and got the same thing for less. Now I'm butthurt because you warned us about the high prices but didn't tell us where the deals were. Where the deals at, bro? |
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Okay again. Paragraphs? Really? The price is not the issue. If the price was the price and that is all there was to it again fine. The fact that a consumer calls and asks the price and is quoted an amount that was way more than what the current labeled price of a product was. I was not taken advantage of and I did get what I needed through a friend at MoneyTree Pawn in Sherwood. Had I gone to them in the first place this would not have been an issue. I only went to Bullseye because they were a couple of blocks away from work. Not butthurt in the end I got what I was looking for at a price I was comfortable with.
Second Bushmaster was merely a reference to another brand from a much bigger company plus the main media focus at this time. So as far as my AR price pyramid I have built several and am comfortable with what I am willing to pay. Price gouging is defined at wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn as: "pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available". Bullseye having knowledge that a consumer would have no choice but to buy from them at whatever price they set or do without fits the definition. I again understand the issue with supply and demand so I refer you back to paragraph one. And lastly I didn't leave out the location of a dealer to Bogart it for myself. It would have looked like I was drumming up business away from Bullseye which is not the case. I was warning others of an issue that several different people have had. I have posted on an open forum for discussion purposes when I could have sent out a message to my colleagues and been done with the whole issue but I was thinking about others that just might save themselves from being butthurt if they were taken advantage of. So I guess it’s my bad for caring. |
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Okay again. Paragraphs? Really? The price is not the issue. If the price was the price and that is all there was to it again fine. The fact that a consumer calls and asks the price and is quoted an amount that was way more than what the current labeled price of a product was. I was not taken advantage of and I did get what I needed through a friend at MoneyTree Pawn in Sherwood. Had I gone to them in the first place this would not have been an issue. I only went to Bullseye because they were a couple of blocks away from work. Not butthurt in the end I got what I was looking for at a price I was comfortable with. Second Bushmaster was merely a reference to another brand from a much bigger company plus the main media focus at this time. So as far as my AR price pyramid I have built several and am comfortable with what I am willing to pay. Price gouging is defined at wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn as: "pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available". Bullseye having knowledge that a consumer would have no choice but to buy from them at whatever price they set or do without fits the definition. I again understand the issue with supply and demand so I refer you back to paragraph one. And lastly I didn't leave out the location of a dealer to Bogart it for myself. It would have looked like I was drumming up business away from Bullseye which is not the case. I was warning others of an issue that several different people have had. I have posted on an open forum for discussion purposes when I could have sent out a message to my colleagues and been done with the whole issue but I was thinking about others that just might save themselves from being butthurt if they were taken advantage of. So I guess it’s my bad for caring. So it fails on both points. Market price can be defined as the price the market will bear. I was told today that bullseye doesn't have a Glock or rifle chambered in 5.56 in the store. Obviously, the market could bear that price. Second. Other retailers were obviously available. Gouging is nothing more than supply and demand. The idea that a retailer is wrong for asking a certain price for something is insane to me, but I have ZERO entitlement mentality in me. No one got taken advantage of. They entered a symbiotic relationship of commerce. No one said they had to be there. No one said they had to buy an AR. They made choices. Some of us bought and ordered when things were a certain price because we knew to do so. Others didn't. Choices have consequences. |
| One aspect of retail commerce that those claiming "price gouging" usually miss is replacement cost. What a retailer has in his current stock is irrelvant in regard to profit. If the current price is say 40% above what the reatailer paid for an item, but the restock price is equal to or greater than his current price, he cannot sell the item for a profit unless he increases his current price. To sell an item for what it cost to preplace it is a guaranteed way to go bankrupt. |
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So I guess the circle continues. Yes Sir, I agree with your post and yet again I am not arguing the fact that some in the market could bear the price. This thread was not intended for those. It was intended for those who were going with no knowledge except for the desire to get what you soon might not be able to have and being blatantly taken advantage of in the aforementioned manner.
This was experiences of others that some may want to be cautious and look before they leap because they might get taken for more than what they had planned because they simply didn’t know and feel they have no other choice. People do look to these threads as a source of information sharing when researching a product or a place of business. I could be wrong but I was under the impression that is what it was for. Instead I get lessons on economics and bantering over being “butthurt” when the whole purpose for initiating the discussion was to warn people of a few experiences that I would have liked to have had prior knowledge about. If you want to continue to be the forum bully and over shadow the point of telling a potential consumer to simply take an extra second and determine if the juice is worth the squeeze then by all means have at it. Or, if you have had a positive experience that you would like to share, how about we open that line. I’ll even extend the olive branch. I have changed the name of the thread to “Buyer Warning.” |
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I have always had positive experiences at Bullseye Guns & Ammo.
Although I choose not to buy when the prices go up because of the Gov or Economy. I tried to be preemptive with my purchases this year, and while not 100% successful, I did get the majority of what I wanted before the elections / shooting. I agree that the local fun stores raise there prices when this happens, but they have good reason IMO, and I don't have to purchase from them if I choose not to. But I will still go back to the stores that raised prices and enjoy talking with the sales people and looking and new arrivals once in a while. I just don't let the whole raising prices thing get to me, they own the store, and they can charge what they want. |
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Everyone but the OP - we're all in this together. Be a touch more civil about it. This is going to be a busy place for the next few months and we want to be as helpful as possible. OP - that being said... What did you expect?? Have you seen thee news in the past 96 hours? They will sell their products at a certain price or they will lower the price until they do. By all means spend your money where and on what you want, but the days of cheap lowers and plentiful mags are behind us. At least for a few months. It will trickle into LPKS, BCGs, and apparently AAC & SF flash hider mounts ( ) and then things will settle down.Roger that |
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I really don't want to run people away from this site, particularly the hometown forum. So, OP, thanks for the heads up on the prices at Bullseye.
We certainly can't expect those who are newer to the site to be able to find the rhythm right away. I still haven't got it all figured out. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you go with the flow and don't fight it, then there won't be any butthurt. However, the absence of butthurt does not mean you aren't getting fucked  .
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Earlier today I received an email from Jorge Avila at the AR15.com store in regard to the stripped lowers that I ordered after dealing with Bullseye Guns and Ammo. In the email Mr. Avila caringly detailed issues with the manufacturing process that would delay the shipping of the product for a couple of weeks and what steps they at AR15.com were taking to take care of their customers.
I called AR15.com and was able to speak with Mr. Avila and thanked him for taking the time to speak with me. I also thanked him for the excellent dedication to customer service he was providing. I asked Mr. Avila if his company planned to raise their prices due to the current panic. He assured me that unless unforeseen circumstances during productivity took place their stripped lowers would remain at the current listed price. Furthermore, he said that they currently receive 100 stripped lowers per month. Demand for these may increase and wait times may get longer for some because of this. That’s just how business works, Right Dan_Gray? It was nice to speak with someone that treated the customer like they matter not like someone who was taking up their time preventing the next sale from happening. So again thank you AR15.com store for that service you provided and for those reading this you may want to check out their online store as a possible alternative. |
| That wasn’t for them I was hoping to receive your accolades for applying the economic lessons I have learned. Maybe you could call them and work out what issues you are having. I would be happy to assist you in any way that I could. I was unaware you were a dealer what products do you sell and where? |
