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it's a pity we all were not there.. they would have been out gunned... 
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it's a pity we all were not there.. they would have been out gunned... Yeah, thing is though, I've shot with one person in this forum that I trust to roll through this situation correctly. This situation draws it all out. proper tactics, speed, accuracy, situational awareness, fields of fire, all of it. The one person, would know to check six prior to engaging, know the locations of all 3 people (not easy considering the layout) and i would trust to be shooting past me should the need arise. It's all about training, not just with yourself, but with those you're going to be hanging out with. You need to know one another's habits, capabilities, limitations, etc etc. |
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Its funny i'm a temp reff at Paintball Arkansas in Conway,and we have PD come out there and i'll se LEOs that have tunnel vision. i used to work for another paintball field and we used to have the crimebluff swat teams and corrections guys come down to run some things. seen it many times with them, we would have 2-4 guys out there and they would have 10-20 guys and it was almost always a slaughter for their teams....
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Its funny i'm a temp reff at Paintball Arkansas in Conway,and we have PD come out there and i'll se LEOs that have tunnel vision. I grew up around nothing but cops. Cops everywhere. All the time. I've helped familiarize cops with kill houses, done a lot of shooting with cops. Cops are generally examples of what not to do.. They usually believe that because they're cops, they're better than everyone else when it comes to shooting. A truely laughable though. Infact, the retarded ass U.S. Marshal that taught my CHL class, told me to my face (among other retarded ass things) that no civilian would ever be as good as any LEO because we couldn't get the training. |
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Quoted: Quoted: it's a pity we all were not there.. they would have been out gunned... Yeah, thing is though, I've shot with one person in this forum that I trust to roll through this situation correctly. This situation draws it all out. proper tactics, speed, accuracy, situational awareness, fields of fire, all of it. The one person, would know to check six prior to engaging, know the locations of all 3 people (not easy considering the layout) and i would trust to be shooting past me should the need arise. It's all about training, not just with yourself, but with those you're going to be hanging out with. You need to know one another's habits, capabilities, limitations, etc etc. Situational awareness is key in any scenario, but definatly in said scenario. Know where the danger could be coming from, know where cover and concealment is between you and them, know your real abilities and those of your buddies (if any), etc. Even knowing your own weapon system is important. Are you carrying a 9/.45 because arfcom said it was best? Or are you carrying a 9/45 because you know what that 115-230gr slug is gonna do when it leaves your barrel and reacts with what your shooting at? And are you carrying enough reloads to win a real gun fight? These are all important things that should basically go through your mind everytime you walk into a new building. Sure its overkill, but the day you dont do it when you SHOULD have done it is the last day you're enjoying oxygen. Know yourself. Know your friends. And in the words of my friend Travis Haley, always remember your ABCs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Its funny i'm a temp reff at Paintball Arkansas in Conway,and we have PD come out there and i'll se LEOs that have tunnel vision. I grew up around nothing but cops. Cops everywhere. All the time. I've helped familiarize cops with kill houses, done a lot of shooting with cops. Cops are generally examples of what not to do.. They usually believe that because they're cops, they're better than everyone else when it comes to shooting. A truely laughable though. Infact, the retarded ass U.S. Marshal that taught my CHL class, told me to my face (among other retarded ass things) that no civilian would ever be as good as any LEO because we couldn't get the training. Pretty much. I'd say 1 in 10 cops have a good head on their shoulders. Hopefully they're in posistions to keep the hardcore idiots out of trouble and teach the rest how to do it right. |
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it's a pity we all were not there.. they would have been out gunned... Yeah, thing is though, I've shot with one person in this forum that I trust to roll through this situation correctly. This situation draws it all out. proper tactics, speed, accuracy, situational awareness, fields of fire, all of it. The one person, would know to check six prior to engaging, know the locations of all 3 people (not easy considering the layout) and i would trust to be shooting past me should the need arise. It's all about training, not just with yourself, but with those you're going to be hanging out with. You need to know one another's habits, capabilities, limitations, etc etc. Yeah, too bad I wasn't there to take care of it. |
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it's a pity we all were not there.. they would have been out gunned... Yeah, thing is though, I've shot with one person in this forum that I trust to roll through this situation correctly. This situation draws it all out. proper tactics, speed, accuracy, situational awareness, fields of fire, all of it. The one person, would know to check six prior to engaging, know the locations of all 3 people (not easy considering the layout) and i would trust to be shooting past me should the need arise. It's all about training, not just with yourself, but with those you're going to be hanging out with. You need to know one another's habits, capabilities, limitations, etc etc. Yeah, too bad I wasn't there to take care of it. lol. Actually shooting wise, i trust 5 or 6 of the people. The trust in this situation boils down to the fact that cowboy and I have shot together a good bit and have many many many hours of conversations about tactics, and just seem to click. move back, hang out more. 
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lol. Actually shooting wise, i trust 5 or 6 of the people. The trust in this situation boils down to the fact that cowboy and I have shot together a good bit and have many many many hours of conversations about tactics, and just seem to click. move back, hang out more.
Yeah, I hear ya. Knowing exactly what the other guy(s) on your team is (are) going to do can't be understated in situations like that. Certain guys in my old platoon and I used to click like that. Referring to the posts above about cops; I shot against a SWAT sniper and a SWAT trainer in an IDPA/carbine side match last wknd and beat them both. 
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lol. Actually shooting wise, i trust 5 or 6 of the people. The trust in this situation boils down to the fact that cowboy and I have shot together a good bit and have many many many hours of conversations about tactics, and just seem to click. move back, hang out more.
Yeah, I hear ya. Knowing exactly what the other guy(s) on your team is (are) going to do can't be understated in situations like that. Certain guys in my old platoon and I used to click like that. Referring to the posts above about cops; I shot against a SWAT sniper and a SWAT trainer in an IDPA/carbine side match last wknd and beat them both.
I'm shooting my first match in 3-4 months tommorrow morning. And my girlfriend will be there with me (probably) I expect to suck horribly 
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I'm shooting my first match in 3-4 months tommorrow morning. And my girlfriend will be there with me (probably) I expect to suck horribly I've been shooting at matches and classes as much (if not more than) as I've been shooting on my own lately. It's great. 
The last time I even invited (luckily she couldn't make it) a girlfriend to a match I completely blew it. 
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so whats the correct way to handle this situation? do as your told? fight back? depending on who is sitting where at the table, who takes out which bad gay? i ask because is am lacking in this training. I have no "correct" answers for you. Just an opinion. If BGs come in with loaded weapons, I presume that they intend to use them to harm me. He/they may get me, but they will have to earn it. |
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so whats the correct way to handle this situation? do as your told? fight back? depending on who is sitting where at the table, who takes out which bad gay? i ask because i am lacking in this training. Sounds like it's time to take a class from a reputable instructor. You'll learn a lot and it'll really open your eyes. |
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I'll play devil's advocate: I'd be real pissed off if I got hit by some stray bullet while getting robbed because of some "super commando" trying to recreate a movie scene and be a hero. Discuss fucking hit the ground then. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fuck no! I'd be behind you!! The world is getting more and more screwed up. I have a feeling things are going to get much worse before it gets better. With unemployment in the double digits and rising, I think people better start watching their backs. The holiday season makes all the desparate criminals shopping for a free x-mas come out of the wood work. |
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Fuck no! I'd be behind you!! The world is getting more and more screwed up. I have a feeling things are going to get much worse before it gets better. With unemployment in the double digits and rising, I think people better start watching their backs. The holiday season makes all the desparate criminals shopping for a free x-mas come out of the wood work. We had 4 bank robberies here within a couple of days. The sister of one of the girls at work walked in on a burglary; the robbers fled and were caught in another house in the same neighborhood they were robbing as well. |
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dont get behind someone who is shooting. In situations like this, shooters double as targets. You dont wanna be part of the backstop. Plus, we are gonna spread out. STOVE. Stationary operators ventilate easily. (i hate that word) and basic tactics demand that you move. All tactical doctrine for killing can be summed up easily. Find em, fix em, flank em, fuck em. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I'm hearing from a Pulaski county dep sheriff I know they suspect this robbery was an inside job.
Also if there was a hidden 4th person once you stood up to shoot you'd more than likely be hit as well. If I was in the situation and armed you have 2 choices, if you do nothing and pat you down they'd find your gun and that may make matters worse for you. So in that case it'd be better to do down fighting...maybe! I'd say pick your 1st target carefully and go for the leader and make sure you make contact with your first shots. Double tap and keep double tapping. Or try and take down the one closest to you first. Bob, weave and roll after that. |
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I'm hearing from a Pulaski county dep sheriff I know they suspect this robbery was an inside job. Also if there was a hidden 4th person once you stood up to shoot you'd more than likely be hit as well. If I was in the situation and armed you have 2 choices, if you do nothing and pat you down they'd find your gun and that may make matters worse for you. So in that case it'd be better to do down fighting...maybe! I'd say pick your 1st target carefully and go for the leader and make sure you make contact with your first shots. Double tap and keep double tapping. Or try and take down the one closest to you first. Bob, weave and roll after that. considering a decent portion of the employees are rich ass trust fund kids, I doubt it. |
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I'm hearing from a Pulaski county dep sheriff I know they suspect this robbery was an inside job. Also if there was a hidden 4th person once you stood up to shoot you'd more than likely be hit as well. If I was in the situation and armed you have 2 choices, if you do nothing and pat you down they'd find your gun and that may make matters worse for you. So in that case it'd be better to do down fighting...maybe! I'd say pick your 1st target carefully and go for the leader and make sure you make contact with your first shots. Double tap and keep double tapping. Or try and take down the one closest to you first. Bob, weave and roll after that. considering a decent portion of the employees are rich ass trust fund kids, I doubt it. It only takes one to make it an inside job. The other two or three could have been "other" friends. |
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I'm hearing from a Pulaski county dep sheriff I know they suspect this robbery was an inside job. Also if there was a hidden 4th person once you stood up to shoot you'd more than likely be hit as well. If I was in the situation and armed you have 2 choices, if you do nothing and pat you down they'd find your gun and that may make matters worse for you. So in that case it'd be better to do down fighting...maybe! I'd say pick your 1st target carefully and go for the leader and make sure you make contact with your first shots. Double tap and keep double tapping. Or try and take down the one closest to you first. Bob, weave and roll after that. considering a decent portion of the employees are rich ass trust fund kids, I doubt it. It only takes one to make it an inside job. The other two or three could have been "other" friends. Here's the problem with your buddies little theory. The ONLY information that an employee could have given them to have helped them is who the cop was, or at the very most a phone call to tell them my brother and i weren't there that night, as the employees know what's up with he an I. LRPD who is investigating this, and not PUCO, does NOT think it's an inside job. Cops are worse than women in a hair salon about gossiping and running their yaps. They are often even more full of shit too. |
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so whats the correct way to handle this situation? do as your told? fight back? depending on who is sitting where at the table, who takes out which bad gay? i ask because i am lacking in this training. Sounds like it's time to take a class from a reputable instructor. You'll learn a lot and it'll really open your eyes. +1 Best money you can spend if you carry a firearm. Take handgun, rifle, hand to hand, knife fighting courses, and anything else you're offered. I always come away from such classes a better shooter, and with a lot of food for thought. ok sounds good, any recommendations on a good instructor? |
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FROM LRPD 1. 2009- 133798- 16 COUNTS OF AGGRAVATED ROBBERY SUSPECT – LONDON CANADAY, B/M, 5-18-1988, 1901 JACKSON VICTIM – RAZORBACK PIZZA, 10900 STAGECOACH INCIDENT DATE/TIME – 11-22-2009, 2148 HOURS INCIDENT LOCATION – 10900 STAGECOACH ARREST DATE/TIME – 12-02-2009, 1230 HOURS ARREST LOCATION – JONESBORO, ARKANSAS On 11-22-2009, officers responded to a robbery in progress with shots fired at 10900 Stagecoach (Razorback Pizza). Upon their arrival they found that several black male suspects with guns robbed the business, employees, and customers. Detectives responded to the crime scene to investigate. Victims described the suspects as being black males. The first suspect is 6’0”-6’1”, 180lbs, 18-23 yrs old with short hair. This suspect was wearing blue jeans and a dark colored top with a white material covering his mouth area. This suspect appeared to be carrying a black semi-automatic pistol. The second black male suspect was wearing dark clothes and was approximately 5’6”-5’8”, 18-23 yrs old and shorter than the others. The third black male suspect appeared to be skinny and light skinned 5’9”- 5’10”, 18-23 years old thin frame body, dark clothing, his mouth area was covered. The suspects fired several shots inside the business. On 11-30-2009, a tip was received that identified the suspects. Two of the suspects were identified as London Canady (B/M, 05-18-1988) and Michael Franklin (B/M, 06-07-1987). On 12-1-2009, information was received that London Canady and Michael Franklin were possibly in Jonesboro, Arkansas visiting a friend. The information was sent to the Jonesboro Police Department. On 12-2-2009 Jonesboro Police Department called at 0956 hours and advised that had London Canady and Michael Franklin in custody. Little Rock Police Officers responded to Jonesboro, Arkansas to transport them back to Little Rock. London Canady and Michael Franklin were both transported back to the Downtown Detective Division and each one of them was charged with 16 counts of Aggravated Robbery and 16 counts of Theft of Property. The third suspect has been identified as Weymar Perea (B/M 9-16-1988). Warrants are on file for his arrest. Anyone knowing his location should contact Robbery Detectives at 371-4660 or call 911. He will be charged with 16 counts of Robbery and 16 counts of Theft of Property. |
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so whats the correct way to handle this situation? do as your told? fight back? depending on who is sitting where at the table, who takes out which bad gay? i ask because i am lacking in this training. Sounds like it's time to take a class from a reputable instructor. You'll learn a lot and it'll really open your eyes. +1 Best money you can spend if you carry a firearm. Take handgun, rifle, hand to hand, knife fighting courses, and anything else you're offered. I always come away from such classes a better shooter, and with a lot of food for thought. ok sounds good, any recommendations on a good instructor? You should be able to find somebody good without having to leave the state; you don't have to go to a big-name instructor for your first class. If you lived out here I could help you. Try asking around in the training forum. |