Posted: 9/27/2013 11:01:10 PM EDT
voted for cloture  I know Miller isn't perfect, but damn I hope the 'pubs don't screw it up again.
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I know Miller isn't perfect, but damn I hope the 'pubs don't screw it up again. She is not a Republican. Funny that is the party she is listed with. Not that it matters you should vote for the person not the party. She was a lot better choice than Joe Liar Miller. |
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Quoted: That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. Quoted: Quoted: Murkowski will do whatever McConnell tells her. He stood by her 100% after she lost the primary, and it's safe to say she despises the Tea Party and will never support them on anything. That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. |
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Murkowski will do whatever McConnell tells her. He stood by her 100% after she lost the primary, and it's safe to say she despises the Tea Party and will never support them on anything. That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. With respect its not that big of a deal at least not near the problem the Tea Party fanatics are making it out to be. Correction is in order but not shutting down the government and turning to anarchy. Pat |
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Murkowski will do whatever McConnell tells her. He stood by her 100% after she lost the primary, and it's safe to say she despises the Tea Party and will never support them on anything. That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. With respect its not that big of a deal at least not near the problem the Tea Party fanatics are making it out to be. Correction is in order but not shutting down the government and turning to anarchy. Pat So when does it become a big deal 
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Murkowski will do whatever McConnell tells her. He stood by her 100% after she lost the primary, and it's safe to say she despises the Tea Party and will never support them on anything. That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. With respect its not that big of a deal at least not near the problem the Tea Party fanatics are making it out to be. Correction is in order but not shutting down the government and turning to anarchy. Pat So when does it become a big deal Lol a while ago. Honestly if you equated the country to a household the parents should have their credit cards ripped up and then bitch slapped if they even thought about trying to get a loan. Instead essentially we are like college students filling out credit card applications because we get a free candy bar and when the card shows up we go shopping for crap. Shutting down the government won't turn the country into anarchy...seriously? Did you really suggest that is what would happen? Just like when they said the sequester would cause people to be dying in the street. Exaggerate much? |
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Quoted: With respect its not that big of a deal at least not near the problem the Tea Party fanatics are making it out to be. Correction is in order but not shutting down the government and turning to anarchy. Pat Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Murkowski will do whatever McConnell tells her. He stood by her 100% after she lost the primary, and it's safe to say she despises the Tea Party and will never support them on anything. That is part of why I like her. She is reasonable. With respect its not that big of a deal at least not near the problem the Tea Party fanatics are making it out to be. Correction is in order but not shutting down the government and turning to anarchy. Pat It's funny. Before the primary, a liberal in my office asked whether I thought Miller would win, and I said no. Then do you know what he said? Said that Murkowski had changed, and she was "an extremist". LOL. |
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Quoted: Funny that is the party she is listed with. Not that it matters you should vote for the person not the party. She was a lot better choice than Joe Liar Miller. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: voted for cloture I know Miller isn't perfect, but damn I hope the 'pubs don't screw it up again. She is not a Republican. Funny that is the party she is listed with. Not that it matters you should vote for the person not the party. She was a lot better choice than Joe Liar Miller. Lisa = RINO
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Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when
None of the above would win most of the elections in this country  So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.
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Quoted: Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller. |
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I remember voting in the 2010 primary and thinking "Fuck it, he doesn't have a chance, but I hate Murkowski." and voted for Miller and apparently a lot of people felt the same way because he won. That was amazing. Quoted:
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Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat |
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Quoted: He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat |
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The Democrats piled in because like you they preferred a RINO to a Tea Party Senator. Quoted:
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Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat Might have something to do with the fact Miller was a proven liar as well. And yes I would pick a Rino over any Tea party candidate. What pushed Lisa over the top was support from the native community. Pat |
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Quoted: He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat He didn't lose by much at all in the general, and it was a write in campaign that even allowed her to get back in and win it. |
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Might have something to do with the fact Miller was a proven liar as well. And yes I would pick a Rino over any Tea party candidate. What pushed Lisa over the top was support from the native community. Pat Quoted:
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Lisa`s a rino , Marks a lib in sheeps clothing and uncle Don`s is one of the biggest spender in Washington.Time they all went away,the need for new faces in Washington from all over the country is great .It`s a sorry day when None of the above would win most of the elections in this country So yes the tea party has it`s place in washington but not Joe Miller.He won the primary but not the general election. So you kind of proved your own point wrong. A person who can easily win a republican primary does not have much of a chance of attracting independent and moderate voters. Pat Might have something to do with the fact Miller was a proven liar as well. And yes I would pick a Rino over any Tea party candidate. What pushed Lisa over the top was support from the native community. Pat So I guess Lisa`s never lied to us ? So when does the spending /new laws finnally become to much .Or Washington /Juneau become to big for you ?? Yes I voted for Miller the last time won`t this time, hopeing there a real canidate that I can support .Not going to hold my breath 
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you.
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you. Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat |
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Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat Quoted:
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you. Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat Pat she won by promising the moon, sun and stars to the Native Corps in exchange for them getting the masses out to vote for her |
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you. Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat Pat she won by promising the moon, sun and stars to the Native Corps in exchange for them getting the masses out to vote for her With respect all politicians make promises they are not able to deliver. Pat |
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With respect all politicians make promises they are not able to deliver. Pat Quoted:
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you. Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat Pat she won by promising the moon, sun and stars to the Native Corps in exchange for them getting the masses out to vote for her With respect all politicians make promises they are not able to deliver. Pat Yea but the sheeple brought it ,and sooner or later the bill will come do .I guess some people here haven`t gotten tired promises not kept /deals broken just to stay in power .Trusting a poltician is our first mistake ,second is giveing them more than 2 terms |
| Pat...you are making my head hurt!!! I have gotten to shoot with you before and know you make great designations and are an educated self made man but unless there is some loving going on between you and Lisa she is who she is. She was bought the moment she ran as an Independent by the Native Corporations. Please tell me Pat that you recall the last election and what happened in it. There really needs to be no more said about who she is and who she owes. Buddy you and I are not on her list or even considered in her thoughts. Come down her have a beer or two with me and we can talk...or shoot a little. |
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Pat...you are making my head hurt!!! I have gotten to shoot with you before and know you make great designations and are an educated self made man but unless there is some loving going on between you and Lisa she is who she is. She was bought the moment she ran as an Independent by the Native Corporations. Please tell me Pat that you recall the last election and what happened in it. There really needs to be no more said about who she is and who she owes. Buddy you and I are not on her list or even considered in her thoughts. Come down her have a beer or two with me and we can talk...or shoot a little. I have met her briefly when I was out in Bethel. She seemed like a nice and genuine person. I really hated the person she was running against. I don't worship her but given the choices we had last time I think she was the best one. I am a moderate and I am not a hard line conservative. Anyway this is politics not personal and I apologize for any offense I gave you. I am tired of having polarizing choices. Its seems the republicans are running far right wing elements of the party while the democrats are putting forth the far left. I believe most of the country is in the middle. Pat |
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All politicians are thief's and lair's to start things off with. Joe may have been a lair buy Lisa is bought and paid for. She is not her own person and must vote the party line...yes she was found to vote more like a democrat them a democrat would. She is no good as a representative for the Great State of Alaska. She needs to go just like Mark does. Do not think you can trust either of them even if they are nice to you. Lisa is the opposite of a bought and paid for party line voter and I respect her for it. She ran as an independent and still won in a republican state. Pat Pat she won by promising the moon, sun and stars to the Native Corps in exchange for them getting the masses out to vote for her With respect all politicians make promises they are not able to deliver. Pat Yea but the sheeple brought it ,and sooner or later the bill will come do .I guess some people here haven`t gotten tired promises not kept /deals broken just to stay in power .Trusting a poltician is our first mistake ,second is giveing them more than 2 terms Actually the best thing we could do I bieve is to take money back out of elections or at least limit it. The supreme courts decision to say Corporations have the same rights as people was crazy and its driven giving huge amounts of money trying to sway elections in the form of super pacs. A guy like you or me can't run for office we don't stand a chance. Too much money is needed and no back bone is allowed. |
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What pisses me off is this, no matter who is in office, nobody brings up the 123000 dollars that is owed by each and every taxpayer. There isnt even a payment plan in place it keeps growing, Just to put that in perspective your payments on that are about 825* a month for 15 years. Think decent priced condo, or your 3 kids college education, or I dunno your retirement completly paid for(* 123000 @ 2.5% intrest).Tthe person who says "STOP enough already" is a party pooper/ tea partier/ starve the old people/ hates minorities( AE ANY group that gets special funding). The people who elect them are the real problem and while the politicans are the figure heads the bodies that elect them are the issue.
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I must agree with almost everything with the above two posts!  Me too I would love to see elections where its a set amount of spending and a more level playing field A presidency now cost upwards of a billion dollars. No way someone can get there and not be beholden to many entities Even on the state and local level, its big money |
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I must agree with almost everything with the above two posts! Me too I would love to see elections where its a set amount of spending and a more level playing field A presidency now cost upwards of a billion dollars. No way someone can get there and not be beholden to many entities Even on the state and local level, its big money The problem is power, not money. There is too much power the government can weild on behalf of, or against an interest, monied or other. Some donors call campaign contributions Protection Money, in hopes that politics pass them by. The ones who famously proclaimed they were apolitical, like Microsoft, had the Fed.gov hammer fall on them like Thor's Hammer. Microsoft came II this close to being broken up like Ma Bell. Guess where Microsoft donates protection money now? - it is not Republicans. Take farm policy. Archer Daniels Midlands donates a lot of money to have policy skewed to favor them. At bottom, who can blame them? The govt is where the power is, and any prudent business will steer spare cash to aid, or at least not harm, their own cause. I don't see any way forward. It is not in activist government to limit itself. Any attempt to stop the flow of money will make raising that all important dollar harder, and push politicians WHO WANT TO WIN ELECTIONS into more and more perverse forms of dollar chasing. |