Posted: 11/17/2010 8:23:31 AM EDT
The daily wipe is reporting an F22 is missing from Elmendorf for about 12 hours now.
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Nevermind that airplane in my backyard when you come to pick up ammo next time... *I hope all are ok if one is truely lost; cold days here in AK to spend ejected in the mts/ocean somewhere  lemme know when your up for a joy ride! And on the pilot hope the flyboys alright |
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186 left to fight the next war.  At least we have enough of them to risk in a shooting war. The loss of one F-22 is bad, but the loss of a B2 is a catastrophy. There are not enough B2s to risk losing any in a real fight.184 actually IIRC We lost 2 prior to this & started with 187....again IIRC.
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Expensive hardware, don't they have transponders and radar guys keeping track of those things?
You would expect continuous telemetry/position/ flight status monitoring of such a valuable airframe, I am always amazed when they report " One of these generation X rigs comes up missing, or tunnels in and they supposedly dont know within 30 feet it's exact point of impact. Shit. I have a few motorbikes, six or 8 running vehicles, I know exactly where each of them is located, how much fuel they packing, and what the next part going to fail is.....Fuck. people ought to keep better tabs on their shit. Whats an Fdouble deuce worth , thirty million fuckin fiats? .......................... Hope the driver bailed out safe.............. |
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Expensive hardware, don't they have transponders and radar guys keeping track of those things? You would expect continuous telemetry/position/ flight status monitoring of such a valuable airframe, I am always amazed when they report " One of these generation X rigs comes up missing, or tunnels in and they supposedly dont know within 30 feet it's exact point of impact. Shit. I have a few motorbikes, six or 8 running vehicles, I know exactly where each of them is located, how much fuel they packing, and what the next part going to fail is.....Fuck. people ought to keep better tabs on their shit. Whats an Fdouble deuce worth , thirty million fuckin fiats? .......................... Hope the driver bailed out safe.............. You have no idea what you're talking about... |
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Was on-scene all day today... I've seen a few crashes in my time, none like this. I hope and PRAY that the pilot is curled up in the WIGGY -20 sleeping bag vacuum sealed under his ejection seat. But unfortunantly if that was true he would be on his portable radio talking to doorgunner84 :( Until that day, Darkop |
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Was on-scene all day today... I've seen a few crashes in my time, none like this. ... Apparently you have found the airframe, any chance the driver ejected prior to impact?? It's not my place to post my speculations on a public forum prior to official word being release by public affairs. |
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Expensive hardware, don't they have transponders and radar guys keeping track of those things? You would expect continuous telemetry/position/ flight status monitoring of such a valuable airframe, I am always amazed when they report " One of these generation X rigs comes up missing, or tunnels in and they supposedly dont know within 30 feet it's exact point of impact. Shit. I have a few motorbikes, six or 8 running vehicles, I know exactly where each of them is located, how much fuel they packing, and what the next part going to fail is.....Fuck. people ought to keep better tabs on their shit. Whats an Fdouble deuce worth , thirty million fuckin fiats? .......................... Hope the driver bailed out safe.............. I find your post to be callous and innappropriate. Who gives a shit about how much the plane is worth when we have a man missing. More than likely he has a family at home who also doesn't give a fuck how much the plane costs. Prayers Sent. |
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http://www.adn.com/2010/11/17/1559051/search-continues-for-elmendorf.html
This is in the replies on this article. I didn't write it but it pulled my heart strings for sure. "Years ago on the ferry, I chanced to chat with one of these young fighter pilots. It was a miserable choppy day in the Inland Passage, we couldn't see beyond the bow. A lot of us landlubbers were looking a bit green about the gills. He mentioned some small beef at work––and I commiserated saying all jobs had their share––but old guys just learned "not to sweat the small stuff." Then, I added, "Do you ever stop and think that when you get to work, your 'other car' is Uncle Sam's fastest, baddest jet?" His face lit up like a Christmas tree with everything a child might wish for beneath it. "Oh man," he crowed, "Only EVERY time I climb inside!" The blowing rain, chop and fog were forgotten, and he joyously engaged the table in a few tales from a screamingly fast, clear, bright world that very few are ever privileged to visit much less pilot. It was November 2001, and I've often wondered what became of that young man. In or out of war, every high performance flight carries risk. And as pilots from Supercubs to supersonics never fail to remind with a crooked smile, "Any landing you walk away from is a good one." Things don't look good now, but this may yet prove to be 'a good one.' Whatever the eventuality, this pilot went up knowing he was backed by the finest air force on the planet. You can be sure they're doing everything they can to bring this young pilot home. If he's waiting out there, that certainty will keep him strong." |
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The latest from ADN.
Since PA is saying it.... The crash site looks like a fucking bomb crater. We will continue searching until Cpt. Haney is found. |
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""I find your post to be callous and innappropriate. Who gives a shit about how much the plane is worth "" .....Point taken. Apologies offered for callous remarks. My father, a fighter pilot off the USS Intrepid, raised me to believe that mistakes do not define you, how you handle them does. You have solidified yourself in my mind as a stand-up individual. Thanks for the reply. |
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The latest from ADN. Since PA is saying it.... The crash site looks like a fucking bomb crater. We will continue searching until Cpt. Haney is found. I know its your job, but thank you for helping in the search. All of us are completely stunned and in shock at what happened. It hurts losing one of your own.
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Quoted: Quoted: Expensive hardware, don't they have transponders and radar guys keeping track of those things? You would expect continuous telemetry/position/ flight status monitoring of such a valuable airframe, I am always amazed when they report " One of these generation X rigs comes up missing, or tunnels in and they supposedly dont know within 30 feet it's exact point of impact. Shit. I have a few motorbikes, six or 8 running vehicles, I know exactly where each of them is located, how much fuel they packing, and what the next part going to fail is.....Fuck. people ought to keep better tabs on their shit. Whats an Fdouble deuce worth , thirty million fuckin fiats? .......................... Hope the driver bailed out safe.............. You have no idea what you're talking about... Well... There is IFF through a transponder and Link-16 (data link). A transponder can be turned off but that wouldn't be normal in peacetime. I can see and track all aircraft with a working transponder within 250 nautical miles, and I can see what mode the transponder is squawking. In wartime they use Mode 4 and we (USA) can instantly see who is us, and who ain't. Course I'll never see a stealth plane unless it wants me to. Hard to track a craft that is designed to be untrackable. I wondered about the transponder, possible ELT/EPIRB, Link-16 data, downed pilot with an emergency radio, etc. I know a little due to my work at a USAF long range radar (Barter Island in ANWR on the north slope next to the Canadian border) for air interdiction and part of the "Dewline" first line national air defense for NORAD. An IFF beacon rides on top of the radar and we also operate Link-16 which can pass data through a secure link allowing among other things the ability for a guy on the ground with a laser designator light up a target, pass info to say an Apache, who sends it to an AWACS plane who sends it to the bomber far away that drops the bomb without ever having to even see the target. I don't know everything, I'm not military, and I'm not a pilot - but I know enough to wonder, probably in ignorant error. Last news I saw said wreckage located but not the pilot. What? Is it THE wreckage? He could have been hurt or killed during flight or ejection. The mechanic I am working with right now was an old F-14 Tomcat driver whose flying career ended abruptly and permanently when he and his RIO had to eject during a carrier approach. RIO made it fine but my mechanic suffered an amazing amount of injuries. No, I don't stare at a round screen with a line that keeps circling - that's old tech. And yes, my job is that job that is the punishment in at least 3 movies I've seen where the guy is sent to man a radar town in Alaska. Sucks balls up here but pays very well. It's what bought me my machine guns and why I am rarely in town. Looking to change scenery however. I sure hope and pray that pilot bailed successfully and is just having problems contacting but I am getting a real bad feeling about this. |
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Getting a bad feeling too, some of you know my line of work...
Good luck and god speed to the pilot... and if not, by the grace of god... I hope it was over before he knew what happened... Reminds me too much of a case of a -15E crew while I was working in HQ over in S.West Asia. |
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Sometimes I read the ADN comments to see how stupid people are, and the responses to this article are no exception.
I have seen people state that the AF should let local civilian SAR do the search because they are better equipped. Another suggested dog mushers... Lots of other comments regarding civilian pilots. I think these people must not realize how capable these guys are, and how well equipped. |
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Live Anchorage news tonight Update from the wing commander. He didn't eject and he didn't make it. Body still missing. I figure shredded, eaten by animals, or his body is somewhere that the wreckage can be strewn, sometimes for miles. Damn!!!!!  All the different military and civil service branches have started the ground search. Everybody and their dog should go. We need to find his body and bring him home. |
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Live Anchorage news tonight Update from the wing commander. He didn't eject and he didn't make it. Body still missing. I figure shredded, eaten by animals, or his body is somewhere that the wreckage can be strewn, sometimes for miles. Damn!!!!!
All the different military and civil service branches have started the ground search. Everybody and their dog should go. We need to find his body and bring him home. Judging by pictures, it looks like it nosed in. A 20ish foot in diameter crater is all that is left. May he rest in peace.
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