Posted: 6/21/2012 1:23:42 PM EDT
so this morning at work I saw a DNR officer come in he was carrying a handgun? when did this happen? I don't understand why they need a handgun. whats there biggest threat they have to neturalize? a mountain lion tha'st why there are 12ga shotguns im pretty sure they aren't gonna get into firefights with gangs out in the corn fields of Iowa
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so this morning at work I saw a DNR officer come in he was carrying a handgun? when did this happen? I don't understand why they need a handgun. whats there biggest threat they have to neturalize? a mountain lion tha'st why there are 12ga shotguns im pretty sure they aren't gonna get into firefights with gangs out in the corn fields of Iowa every gd person i know should have a gun. why wouldn't i want an le to carry one? everybody bitches about police response time, and now we've got a guy that thinks le shouldn't carry a gun? you're nutty... and for the record they have carried them since the dnr's inception. while a vile and filthy abortion it was, the dnr still has carried weapons since moses was a pup... |
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Funny DNR officer story-
I don't remember when it was for sure, but I was working at K-Mart and one Friday afternoon the day before the opening of deer bow season I was busy selling hunting licenses. Was back in the day when they were filled out by hand (shut up about age, Bob) so it took a bit for each one. So, I'm filling one out for a guy and there are about 4 others behind him. As I'm filling it out, this schmuck is telling all of us about how he doesn't know why he is buying a license since he already has his and his buddies deer hanging in his barn. 
He is rambling on about how what you do is shoot them with a rifle and stick an arrow through the hole to make it look like you used a bow. Going on about how the DNR officers in the area aren't smart enough to figure it out. He just kept at it. We were all looking at each other like WTF? When he got done and paid he left. Awesome thing was, one of the guys standing behind him was the DNR officer for Floyd and Mitchell counties in civies. 
He asked me to go make a photocopy of the license for him. When I got back he had had the others write down their names and contact info in case he need witnesses and had me do the same. I never heard anything more about it so guessing he had a strong enough case he didn't need us. I still get the chuckles thinking about it. I do wish I had heard whatever happened to the moron. Stupidly funny thing of it all was the guy was willing to buy the tags and license and be legal that way, he just wasn't willing to wait and hunt the deer legally. |
| I guess your all have your opinions but if there are events at parks that are big usually there are a few deputies there along with troopers somethings. I just think they are over doing it I guess I alway imagine DNR officers driving up in a boat or a fancy SUV asking for licenses not going up to what the other branches face everyday. I mean if you think about it the DNR has a little to much funding if you ask me. I could understand an AR with them but to constantly carry a handgun? all DNR officers I have meet or seen have never carried before just supurised me. that's all Spetic I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic |
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DNR officers are just as likely to walk into something as any other cop may be.
More so than you or I... You expect to be able to carry if you have the permit. They are certified, why not let them carry? Should they be told they cannot because you don't think they should? |
| plus 95% of hunters and gun owner are like us then there are the 4% who are idiots with them and then there are the ones who are illegal or criminal and carry that the !% so this is the percent the LE have to worry about and I don't think they will be hunting and most likely not fishing. at parks maybe but they are they the decitful way of crime most of the time... |
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I believe that I read somewhere in the past that DNR law enforcement officers are actually more likely to encounter a shooting scenario that you normal run of the mill officer.
Considering that they are part of a much smaller group and their duties specifically require them to approach armed people on a much more frequent basis. |
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I believe that I read somewhere in the past that DNR law enforcement officers are actually more likely to encounter a shooting scenario that you normal run of the mill officer. Considering that they are part of a much smaller group and their duties specifically require them to approach armed people on a much more frequent basis. I guess, I just think most hunters and fishers aren't gonna pick a fight when the chance of losing gun ownership is at stake..... |
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not everyone carries you know . You are right, but there would be a lot fewer victims in the world if everyone did. I am not trying to beat you down. That does no good, because I don't want you voting against me and nothing good can come of alienating someone who seems to be predisposed towards firearms ownership. I want to educate you. Please, take a moment and read the following page and then please spend some time reflecting on your current perceptions. Officer Down Memorial Page |
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As has already been stated Conservation officer can be a very dangerous job.
You are likely in a rural area with a group of armed individuals and backup may be minutes if not close to an hour away. I cannot believe someone on this site has a problem with them carrying a firearm. Rural areas are full of people up to things other than hunting and fishing such as cooking meth and other sordid activities. |
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I guess your all have your opinions but if there are events at parks that are big usually there are a few deputies there along with troopers somethings. I just think they are over doing it I guess I alway imagine DNR officers driving up in a boat or a fancy SUV asking for licenses not going up to what the other branches face everyday. I mean if you think about it the DNR has a little to much funding if you ask me. I could understand an AR with them but to constantly carry a handgun? all DNR officers I have meet or seen have never carried before just supurised me. that's all Spetic I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic Remember the two West Memphis officers that were murdered last year by two Sovern Citizens......guess who ended the fight, yep a DNR Officer from that area. For the record he rammed the minivan they were in, while under heavy fire from two AK47s, and returned fire with his AR killing both murderers. A set that go CLANK when he walks if you ask me. I saw him speak up in Detroit the first of the month.....rather impressive. BTW, a peace officer is a peace officer uniform or job title really doesn't matter all that much. I can tell you from expierence when you are on your back fighting for your life you really do not care what color uniform comes to help you, you just thank God that they did come. Also, curious as you think it is ok that they carry something like an AR but not wear a sidearm (which is considered a defensive weapon)? R |
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so this morning at work I saw a DNR officer come in he was carrying a handgun? when did this happen? I don't understand why they need a handgun. whats there biggest threat they have to neturalize? a mountain lion tha'st why there are 12ga shotguns im pretty sure they aren't gonna get into firefights with gangs out in the corn fields of Iowa I'm wearing a hand gun right now. So what? 
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I guess your all have your opinions but if there are events at parks that are big usually there are a few deputies there along with troopers somethings. I just think they are over doing it I guess I alway imagine DNR officers driving up in a boat or a fancy SUV asking for licenses not going up to what the other branches face everyday. I mean if you think about it the DNR has a little to much funding if you ask me. I could understand an AR with them but to constantly carry a handgun? all DNR officers I have meet or seen have never carried before just supurised me. that's all Spetic I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic Remember the two West Memphis officers that were murdered last year by two Sovern Citizens......guess who ended the fight, yep a DNR Officer from that area. For the record he rammed the minivan they were in, while under heavy fire from two AK47s, and returned fire with his AR killing both murderers. A set that go CLANK when he walks if you ask me. I saw him speak up in Detroit the first of the month.....rather impressive. BTW, a peace officer is a peace officer uniform or job title really doesn't matter all that much. I can tell you from expierence when you are on your back fighting for your life you really do not care what color uniform comes to help you, you just thank God that they did come. Also, curious as you think it is ok that they carry something like an AR but not wear a sidearm (which is considered a defensive weapon)? R again guys im noy downing carrying I want to carry when im twenty one I just had a surprise since I had never seen a DNR carrying a handgun. I think up in the wright or hancock county couple years ago a local DNR officer that my family is friends with had to tranqulize a black bear that had come into the region. That was the only kind of action the DNR i know, gets into. I'm not saying this is wrong carrying just my thought a little excessive. Romp I was saying he was carrying an AR but in the vehicle with him. If the DNR is that dangerous that you guys describe I believe you guys I just have my own opinions it a free country Im not trying to piss you guys off. BTW I come from a small town where the town cops get over excited when the biggest thing that happens in the town is a robbery. I have been pulled over for driving one mile over and not using a turn signal |
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The Conservation Officers and law Enforcemant officers in the Iowa DNR are fully credentialed LEO by the State of Iowa. They have the same authority as a state police officer. Maybe more. If a DNR Officer sees you driving your car while not wearing your seatbelt, they can cite you for it. If they can prove you are speeding, they can cite you for it.If you break the law and they can prove it, they can cite you for it. Fortunately, most of them stick to their area of expertise, natural resource enforcement.
I am by no means a fan of the DNR. I do know several officers on a personal basis. One of them is the most knowledgable LEO I know when it comes to Iowa code, ALL Iowa code. He is also very up to date on Federal codes. The Consevation Officers are often assisting when the police team up and perform a "safety checkpoint" on holiday weekends and do write up violations of all types. Again, I am not a fan of the DNR, yet their Officers are fully trained, certified law enforcement officers and as such they damn well better carry a sidearm. Their sworn duty is first to protect the public. Can't do that too well with a pencil and paper. |
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The Consevation Officers are often assisting when the police team up and perform a "safety checkpoint" on holiday weekends and do write up violations of all types. And there we have the first valid reason in the thread to dislike them! Papers please, civilian. |
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I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic i want them to have the equipment they need. and weapons are equipment they need. i don't want them to have drones, four laptops issued a year, fish finders, and other stupid shit they get, i want them to have the gear they need to provide balance with nature and man as the department was intended. a firearm is damn sure a part of that... what next? put them all on bicycles instead of trucks? maybe give them a set of pink arm floaties instead of a john boat? you're way off on this one... i admire the willingness to put out the question, but i can't agree with your answer... |
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so this morning at work I saw a DNR officer come in he was carrying a handgun? when did this happen? I don't understand why they need a handgun. whats there biggest threat they have to neturalize? a mountain lion tha'st why there are 12ga shotguns im pretty sure they aren't gonna get into firefights with gangs out in the corn fields of Iowa I'm wearing a hand gun right now. So what? don't fuck this up new guy. tread lightly or you'll get the smack down... lol.... |
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The Consevation Officers are often assisting when the police team up and perform a "safety checkpoint" on holiday weekends and do write up violations of all types. And there we have the first valid reason in the thread to dislike them! Papers please, civilian. There could be an entire thread about the constitutionality of these "safety checkpoints". I've been stopped at a couple when I worked night shift coming home from work. I just went with the flow and bit my tongue, but I thought the whole thing was bs. |
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The Consevation Officers are often assisting when the police team up and perform a "safety checkpoint" on holiday weekends and do write up violations of all types. And there we have the first valid reason in the thread to dislike them! Papers please, civilian. There could be an entire thread about the constitutionality of these "safety checkpoints". I've been stopped at a couple when I worked night shift coming home from work. I just went with the flow and bit my tongue, but I thought the whole thing was bs. The constitutionality of these checkpoints has already been decided by SCOTUS. BS or not, it's a done deal. If I were you, I'd let them know exactly how you feel the next time you get stopped. |
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I guess your all have your opinions but if there are events at parks that are big usually there are a few deputies there along with troopers somethings. I just think they are over doing it I guess I alway imagine DNR officers driving up in a boat or a fancy SUV asking for licenses not going up to what the other branches face everyday. I mean if you think about it the DNR has a little to much funding if you ask me. I could understand an AR with them but to constantly carry a handgun? all DNR officers I have meet or seen have never carried before just supurised me. that's all Spetic I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic All DNR game wardens and park rangers are certified LEO, always have been. Just because you see someone in a DNR uniform (not carrying a gun) doesn't mean they aren't an officer, they might be a biologist for all you know. As far as you thinking they don't need guns, you can go screw off, I have been out in the middle of nowhere dealing with drunk driver who decide they don't want to cooperate any more and the first backup I got was a DNR officer... they are more than capable and most do a great job. OVER MODS lock this one, I am getting the feeling this was a set up from the get go. |
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The Consevation Officers are often assisting when the police team up and perform a "safety checkpoint" on holiday weekends and do write up violations of all types. And there we have the first valid reason in the thread to dislike them! Papers please, civilian. There could be an entire thread about the constitutionality of these "safety checkpoints". I've been stopped at a couple when I worked night shift coming home from work. I just went with the flow and bit my tongue, but I thought the whole thing was bs. The constitutionality of these checkpoints has already been decided by SCOTUS. BS or not, it's a done deal. If I were you, I'd let them know exactly how you feel the next time you get stopped. I've been stopped alot more than the average person because when I worked 2nd shift I was always coming home just before 2 am. Whether it's right or wrong I've found that just going with it is best because if you question their actions they just get pissed, call in back up, and pull you out of the car and search the vehicle. I left that stop without a single ticket only thing he could find was one of my headlights was a bit dim so he gave me a fix it ticket. It was still working just a bit dimmer than the other one...lol. I also would go jogging after work 2 or 3 times a week and I've even been stopped while doing that as well. Remember this was after 2 am because I wasn't getting home until just before 2 am. I'm on dayshift now and haven't been pulled over in a very long time. |
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I've been stopped alot more than the average person because when I worked 2nd shift I was always coming home just before 2 am. Whether it's right or wrong I've found that just going with it is best because if you question their actions they just get pissed, call in back up, and pull you out of the car and search the vehicle. I left that stop without a single ticket only thing he could find was one of my headlights was a bit dim so he gave me a fix it ticket. It was still working just a bit dimmer than the other one...lol. I also would go jogging after work 2 or 3 times a week and I've even been stopped while doing that as well. Remember this was after 2 am because I wasn't getting home until just before 2 am. I'm on dayshift now and haven't been pulled over in a very long time. You need a video camera mounted in your car. jackbooted thugs don't like truth, and video makes for excellent lawsuits. |
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I've been stopped alot more than the average person because when I worked 2nd shift I was always coming home just before 2 am. Whether it's right or wrong I've found that just going with it is best because if you question their actions they just get pissed, call in back up, and pull you out of the car and search the vehicle. I left that stop without a single ticket only thing he could find was one of my headlights was a bit dim so he gave me a fix it ticket. It was still working just a bit dimmer than the other one...lol. I also would go jogging after work 2 or 3 times a week and I've even been stopped while doing that as well. Remember this was after 2 am because I wasn't getting home until just before 2 am. I'm on dayshift now and haven't been pulled over in a very long time. You need a video camera mounted in your car. jackbooted thugs don't like truth, and video makes for excellent lawsuits. I'm not interested in lawsuits, but I wish stopping people and searching them without any reasonable suspicion would never happen in this country. |
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I guess your all have your opinions but if there are events at parks that are big usually there are a few deputies there along with troopers somethings. I just think they are over doing it I guess I alway imagine DNR officers driving up in a boat or a fancy SUV asking for licenses not going up to what the other branches face everyday. I mean if you think about it the DNR has a little to much funding if you ask me. I could understand an AR with them but to constantly carry a handgun? all DNR officers I have meet or seen have never carried before just supurised me. that's all Spetic I don't think that LE shouldn't carry just that DNR carrying is maybe a little to drastic All DNR game wardens and park rangers are certified LEO, always have been. Just because you see someone in a DNR uniform (not carrying a gun) doesn't mean they aren't an officer, they might be a biologist for all you know. As far as you thinking they don't need guns, you can go screw off, I have been out in the middle of nowhere dealing with drunk driver who decide they don't want to cooperate any more and the first backup I got was a DNR officer... they are more than capable and most do a great job. OVER MODS lock this one, I am getting the feeling this was a set up from the get go. Take its easy dude I say four times I wasn't aiming towards officers not carrying but I was supurised thats all. I aplogize if I offended you. as I stated in a earlier thread I want to carry when im twenty one so this isn't downing carrying either. as I stated in my last post im from a SMALL town of 2200 where there are three active town cops where there most action they get is a bugulary once a year.... |
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I'm not interested in lawsuits, but I wish stopping people and searching them without any reasonable suspicion would never happen in this country. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing." ––Edmund Burke thought the exact same thing... we all have to get involved if we want things to change. |
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I'm not interested in lawsuits, but I wish stopping people and searching them without any reasonable suspicion would never happen in this country. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing." ––Edmund Burke thought the exact same thing... we all have to get involved if we want things to change. You have to choose your battles wisely. I'm not going to bring litigation against an leo for a traffic stop that resulted in NO fines or anything on my record. Believe me I would like to do more to change alot of things about this country. I also have to take care of my family and actually enjoy life so I have learned to find a balance between living a happy life and doing what I can to keep this country from becoming any closer to the socialist utopia some wish it to be. I will never be a hero for freedom, but I believe when the right battle comes my way I will do what I can. |
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if anything they have MORE of a reason to carry a sidearm than your average officer.
they are COPS and cops carry guns. Most cops don't know if the people they are dealing with are armed or not. DNR officers regularly interact with hunters who carry weapons. They also deal with POACHERS that carry weapons. I grew up in Michigan and those guys took it seriously. I remember reports of DNR doing swat style raids with fully automatic weapons. |