[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Iowa Straw Poll 2011 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/28/2011 8:49:06 AM EDT
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Who's going?
Who are you supporting or are you undecided still? Did you glean any tickets or are you paying at the door? Anyone remember what time the gates open? Is it 10 or 11am? We went to our first one last time and it was a blast, I ate like a pig and surprisingly enjoyed the dog and pony show by the candidates up on stage. |
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I know of only one candidate there who has said they would support the abolition of the NFA, GCA, and Hughes' amendment to the FOPA.
Most of the candidates who I talk to don't even know what I am talking about when I ask. If there are any others who don't just generically "support gun rights", please enlighten me. |
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Go Ron Paul! This. Free tickets and it's kid friendly. I am looking forward to it. Take the time to support the candidates that are willing to take time for you, not just sit around and wait for some supposed rock stars. And while many roll their eyes at Paul, I don't know if any other candidate can say they have never voted for gun control, tax increases or are able to possess his unbending quest for more freedoms and less government. He was Tea Party before the tea party existed. Also, he at least lets you know where he's stands at and dosn't care if you don't like it. I think that's better then telling you what you want to hear and hoping you like it like most of the other candidates. |
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Quoted: and is completely unelectable based on his foreign policy alone. Not to mention the rampant hypocrisy on earmarks and his base is the "legalize" it crowd. Most of the issues he champions he would do a better job tackling in the Congress, then as the chief executive. Quoted: Go Ron Paul! This. Free tickets and it's kid friendly. I am looking forward to it. Take the time to support the candidates that are willing to take time for you, not just sit around and wait for some supposed rock stars. And while many roll their eyes at Paul, I don't know if any other candidate can say they have never voted for gun control, tax increases or are able to possess his unbending quest for more freedoms and less government. He was Tea Party before the tea party existed. Also, he at least lets you know where he's stands at and dosn't care if you don't like it. I think that's better then telling you what you want to hear and hoping you like it like most of the other candidates. |
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and is completely unelectable based on his foreign policy alone. Not to mention the rampant hypocrisy on earmarks and his base is the "legalize" it crowd. Most of the issues he champions he would do a better job tackling in the Congress, then as the chief executive. Quoted:
Go Ron Paul! This. Free tickets and it's kid friendly. I am looking forward to it. Take the time to support the candidates that are willing to take time for you, not just sit around and wait for some supposed rock stars. And while many roll their eyes at Paul, I don't know if any other candidate can say they have never voted for gun control, tax increases or are able to possess his unbending quest for more freedoms and less government. He was Tea Party before the tea party existed. Also, he at least lets you know where he's stands at and dosn't care if you don't like it. I think that's better then telling you what you want to hear and hoping you like it like most of the other candidates. Explain your perceived hypocrisy. And explain to me how legalizing drugs is any different than unregulating firearms. |
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and is completely unelectable based on his foreign policy alone. Not to mention the rampant hypocrisy on earmarks and his base is the "legalize" it crowd. Most of the issues he champions he would do a better job tackling in the Congress, then as the chief executive.
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Go Ron Paul! This. Free tickets and it's kid friendly. I am looking forward to it. Take the time to support the candidates that are willing to take time for you, not just sit around and wait for some supposed rock stars. And while many roll their eyes at Paul, I don't know if any other candidate can say they have never voted for gun control, tax increases or are able to possess his unbending quest for more freedoms and less government. He was Tea Party before the tea party existed. Also, he at least lets you know where he's stands at and dosn't care if you don't like it. I think that's better then telling you what you want to hear and hoping you like it like most of the other candidates. While I understand the "hypocrisy" when talking about earmarks, it is an evil that has to be done. And as far as being "completely unelectable", thats what they said when B.O. started his campaign. How did that work out? Oh I forgot, thats who we have to vot out this time around. |
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I know of only one candidate there who has said they would support the abolition of the NFA, GCA, and Hughes' amendment to the FOPA. Most of the candidates who I talk to don't even know what I am talking about when I ask. If there are any others who don't just generically "support gun rights", please enlighten me. if you're really serious about shaping the future you must participate in it... pointing out only one candidate that knows about those things you are passionate about is not a formula for success. i read once: "If you want to understand reality, you must take part in the practice of changing reality. If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself." the straw poll is your opportunity in which to take full advantage. instead of lamenting over a single candidate that you dig, go forth and shape the others. your vote is your vote, but you'll be doing the movement great aid by painting a 2A picture upon them all. let them know the 2A is on your mind. it is the element that protects the others, and that you have a firm expectation they fully understand and embrace that. politicians get elected by essentially asking you what you are passionate about and then regurgitating it to you like a bunch of wide mouthed baby sparrows.... so what do you do when you're being manipulated? manipulate better. go to the straw poll, tell them you're with IFC. tell them you're with NRA. tell them you expect NFA, GCA, ATF and others be removed from existance. remind them the 2A allows us all to enjoy what we enjoy. shape your future instead of boobing about the false appearance of it being bleak. |
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I know of only one candidate there who has said they would support the abolition of the NFA, GCA, and Hughes' amendment to the FOPA. Most of the candidates who I talk to don't even know what I am talking about when I ask. If there are any others who don't just generically "support gun rights", please enlighten me. if you're really serious about shaping the future you must participate in it... pointing out only one candidate that knows about those things you are passionate about is not a formula for success. i read once: "If you want to understand reality, you must take part in the practice of changing reality. If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself." the straw poll is your opportunity in which to take full advantage. instead of lamenting over a single candidate that you dig, go forth and shape the others. your vote is your vote, but you'll be doing the movement great aid by painting a 2A picture upon them all. let them know the 2A is on your mind. it is the element that protects the others, and that you have a firm expectation they fully understand and embrace that. politicians get elected by essentially asking you what you are passionate about and then regurgitating it to you like a bunch of wide mouthed baby sparrows.... so what do you do when you're being manipulated? manipulate better. go to the straw poll, tell them you're with IFC. tell them you're with NRA. tell them you expect NFA, GCA, ATF and others be removed from existance. remind them the 2A allows us all to enjoy what we enjoy. shape your future instead of boobing about the false appearance of it being bleak. I promise, I am politically active and I do explain these things to every politician that I meet who is willing to listen. I was seriously asking the question, though. I am interested in knowing which candidates do understand what we want and agree with it. |
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Very Damn few is the answer. That is why we do what we do.
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I know of only one candidate there who has said they would support the abolition of the NFA, GCA, and Hughes' amendment to the FOPA. Most of the candidates who I talk to don't even know what I am talking about when I ask. If there are any others who don't just generically "support gun rights", please enlighten me. if you're really serious about shaping the future you must participate in it... pointing out only one candidate that knows about those things you are passionate about is not a formula for success. i read once: "If you want to understand reality, you must take part in the practice of changing reality. If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself." the straw poll is your opportunity in which to take full advantage. instead of lamenting over a single candidate that you dig, go forth and shape the others. your vote is your vote, but you'll be doing the movement great aid by painting a 2A picture upon them all. let them know the 2A is on your mind. it is the element that protects the others, and that you have a firm expectation they fully understand and embrace that. politicians get elected by essentially asking you what you are passionate about and then regurgitating it to you like a bunch of wide mouthed baby sparrows.... so what do you do when you're being manipulated? manipulate better. go to the straw poll, tell them you're with IFC. tell them you're with NRA. tell them you expect NFA, GCA, ATF and others be removed from existance. remind them the 2A allows us all to enjoy what we enjoy. shape your future instead of boobing about the false appearance of it being bleak. I promise, I am politically active and I do explain these things to every politician that I meet who is willing to listen. I was seriously asking the question, though. I am interested in knowing which candidates do understand what we want and agree with it. |
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I'm really looking forward to hearing Hermain Cain speak. I have checked out his websites, and for me, his stances on the main issues are spot on with what I believe. I will be there interested in what others have to say as well. What do you guys think of Rick Perry entering the race?
I hear he is great on conservative issues save one, immigration. I don't like his stance and I think that will be a key legislative issue in the next few years, behind the economy of course. |
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I need a ticket still. College republicans got fucked over buy the state's group.They continuously said they would get us tickets but when our president asked for them they threatened him with a lawsuit if he told us what happened. (IM me if you want the details) |
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I need a ticket still. College republicans got fucked over buy the state's group.They continuously said they would get us tickets but when our president asked for them they threatened him with a lawsuit if he told us what happened. (IM me if you want the details) Get the Ron Paul discount ticket! PM me if you can't afford the 10bux. I found that that weekend is the worst of the entire summer for me, and I can't attend due to work and family commitments. I'll help someone go if they need it. Edited: grammar |
This guy gets it.
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I know of only one candidate there who has said they would support the abolition of the NFA, GCA, and Hughes' amendment to the FOPA. Most of the candidates who I talk to don't even know what I am talking about when I ask. If there are any others who don't just generically "support gun rights", please enlighten me. if you're really serious about shaping the future you must participate in it... pointing out only one candidate that knows about those things you are passionate about is not a formula for success. i read once: "If you want to understand reality, you must take part in the practice of changing reality. If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself." the straw poll is your opportunity in which to take full advantage. instead of lamenting over a single candidate that you dig, go forth and shape the others. your vote is your vote, but you'll be doing the movement great aid by painting a 2A picture upon them all. let them know the 2A is on your mind. it is the element that protects the others, and that you have a firm expectation they fully understand and embrace that. politicians get elected by essentially asking you what you are passionate about and then regurgitating it to you like a bunch of wide mouthed baby sparrows.... so what do you do when you're being manipulated? manipulate better. go to the straw poll, tell them you're with IFC. tell them you're with NRA. tell them you expect NFA, GCA, ATF and others be removed from existance. remind them the 2A allows us all to enjoy what we enjoy. shape your future instead of boobing about the false appearance of it being bleak. I promise, I am politically active and I do explain these things to every politician that I meet who is willing to listen. I was seriously asking the question, though. I am interested in knowing which candidates do understand what we want and agree with it. |
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So, are we as freedom fighters getting together before we hit the straw polls and manipulate??? lets set up a rally point then. sounds like a good idea. will advise. stay tuned. Staying tuned. Someone familiar with where this is being held choose a place and a time. |
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Iowa Firearms Coalition once again will be working in conjunction with the NRA at the 2011 Iowa Straw Poll. Please come and show your support and help us to work together to make gun rights issues a top priority for Presidential candidates. The Iowa Straw Poll is the largest poll of its kind in Iowa and it's a great place for the people of Iowa to voice their concerns. As part of the Iowa Firearms Coalition's grassroots efforts we are strongly encouraging our membership and supporters to be present in Ames this Saturday, August 13th. This is your chance to meet Republican leadership and voice your concerns for gun rights face to face! The reason gun rights get seemingly ignored by candidates is largely because firearms owners haven't pressed the issue, but as we've seen in recent media reports there is an overt attack on our Second Amendment rights. This attack is occuring both at a national level and at a global level. It's time for us, as responsible firearms owners, to actively press the issue and make sure our rights are a priority! Again, come see Iowa Fireams Coalition at the NRA booth at the 2011 Iowa Straw Poll in Ames! It's time for Iowans to voice their concerns about protecting our Right to Keep and Bear Arms! If you would like to work with us at the NRA booth during the Straw Poll please contact us at [email protected]. For more information on the Straw Poll, see the GOP website: http://theiowastrawpoll.org/ Jeff Burkett President Iowa Firearms Coalition |
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essentially we'll gather at the NRA booth. they have a really large area they have purchased. there are many shuttles, places to park, candidates to offer tickets to enter on the cheap, etc.
i'm going to park in the wal mart lot and ride one of the shuttles in that morning. several of us are going to volunteer some time at the NRA booth. come by there when ever you make it in and we'll be there to get you up to speed on what is going on that day and what we'd like to see. i look forward to seeing you all there. nations are shaped by your actions as the citizens of a state that literally kick off presidential campaigns. if you want your voice heard, you need to come and participate. show candidates what you want moreso than listen to what they want you to hear... there is a stark difference friends!!! |
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i am going for Ron Paul. You can go to his Iowa website and purchase a ticket for $10. That includes transportation (if I remember your still in Ames so you may not need that) and food at his tent. It should be a really fun time and one of the few times you would be able to voice your concerns face to face with almost all candidates in one place.
Ron Paul $10 straw poll ticket The sales end today. You may be able to get in touch with a county coordinator and score a free ticket, however most have been $10 |
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Watching the debate....
Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He has his head so far up his stupid ass he has no chance of breathing oxygen. Seriously, Iran isn't a threat? Fucking jackwagon needs to be taken back to Texas and committed for life to the most convenient mental institution. |
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Watching the debate.... Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He has his head so far up his stupid ass he has no chance of breathing oxygen. Seriously, Iran isn't a threat? Fucking jackwagon needs to be taken back to Texas and committed for life to the most convenient mental institution. Tell us how you really feel though bang-bang? 
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Quoted: Quoted: Watching the debate.... Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He has his head so far up his stupid ass he has no chance of breathing oxygen. Seriously, Iran isn't a threat? Fucking jackwagon needs to be taken back to Texas and committed for life to the most convenient mental institution. Tell us how you really feel though bang-bang? Dude, thats just the constant state of Infantry men of the US Army. I think it has something to do with all the women stolen by the dashing young Cavalry troopers. |
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Watching the debate.... Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He has his head so far up his stupid ass he has no chance of breathing oxygen. Seriously, Iran isn't a threat? Fucking jackwagon needs to be taken back to Texas and committed for life to the most convenient mental institution. I am with ya' brother! Perfect example of a blithering idiot we don't want. Some of his ideals are good it is just he isn't the man for the job. Remember last year when he couldn't keep track of the conversation? |
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Watching the debate.... Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He has his head so far up his stupid ass he has no chance of breathing oxygen. Seriously, Iran isn't a threat? Fucking jackwagon needs to be taken back to Texas and committed for life to the most convenient mental institution. That is the great part about these types of events and the ability to meet and hear what the candidates say. People are shocked to hear someone say something like what he has to offer. It's nothing most of us have ever heard in our adult life. He is not saying Iran or North Korea or any other number of countries are not dangerous. What he is saying is let their neighbors deal with them. If they need our help at a point where the regional countries cannot handle what is going on, then we will be there to offer assistance, but not until then. When asked if Iran would be a threat if they possessed a nuke, he says yes. When asked what would happen if Iran used that nuke on Israel, he replies, that Israel already has 300 nukes, I'm sure they can handle their own. Again he isn't saying that Iran isn't a threat. He compares them with "zero" nukes to our arch cold war nemesis, the USSR who possessed thousands of them. The difference, Iran has no nukes and we don't talk to them, the USSR had thousands and we negotiated for years. When it comes to the military, he makes a point often times about what we would do if China built a military base just outside of say St. Louis. Would we be happy? Hell no! We would shit kittens. If it would bother us so much, why would it not do the same to some other free country. I know it's a lot more complicated then that, however it boils down to spending the money on our own country, our own borders and our own problems rather then selling everything we have to pay for everything else in the world. Who is coming to bail us out now? Nobody, and we are still expected to be the world police. Look at how bad the rest of NATO messed up the Libya conflict. It has to start with us saying no and making these other places pay for their own. Happy election season! And now if I could just get behind a candidate here that supports, lower taxes and even lower decibles on our firearms! (edit for spelling) |
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Question should the United States ensure the free passage of the seas and the massive gain we get from free trade? Were they wrong to become involved in the European Theater during WW2? Or, by your thought process its America's fault that Japan attacked us. What about holding Soviet aggression in check? Inaction by the dominate power is the surest way to bring a very bloody war to ones own door step. Foreign policy is not nice or pretty. It is ugly, dirty and dangerous. It requires that you put the needs of your country above all others. You can't wish it otherwise. It has been in our best interest to fight small asymmetric wars, instead of large ones like either of the World Wars, which for the most part is our fault because the US thought that it was a European and Asian problems. History is bitch. |
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Maybe my interpretation of history are a little bit different then yours. We did not get involved in WWII officially until we were attacked by Japan. If a nation is hell bent on going to war, there isn't much you can do to stop it. As witnessed by the negotiations with Japan up until the attack on Pearl harbor. Up until that point, we had provided military assistance in the form of equipment and volunteers to Britain and China. The unchecked aggression by the soviets led to Korea, Cuba and Vietnam were we are still deployed, still not talking and truly still hurting . The following is quoted from Dwight D. Eisenhower and is very applicable to that discussion:
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence –– economic, political, even spiritual –– is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system –– ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. While my views are different then yours, I will not disparage someone who speaks with no hesitation in regards to liberty and the defense of "our" personal freedoms. |
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Is it not true a man is as responsible for his inaction as his actions? As for Japan you might want to look at the American embargoes that forced Japan to act That would the United States sticking its nose in other's business, right? Was the embargo incorrect? To the millions raped and murdered in Manchuria and China, I would it was warranted action by a power that could influence the situation. Should Japanese agression have been left unchecked or should we have gone to immediate war footing? Ron Paul's world view will not work, it is simple. The world looks for the US to lead and when it has chosen not to the results have been disastrous. Plus, our defense spending is less as a percentage of GDP then anytime from 50-the mid 90's, but facts have no bearing. But, I hate freedom and liberty.... |
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Mr. Paul compared Iran to the Soviet Union and his comparison is just wrong.
He said that we did not try to stop the USSR from obtaining nuclear(atomic) weapons. 1st- we were not in a position to stop them anyway; Iran we can. 2nd- the leaders of the USSR did not say that they wanted these weapons specifically so that they could eliminate any particular country from the face of the Earth. Amadenashithead has repeatedly said he intends to nuke Israel; IIRC, he said it in front of the general assembly of the UN. Paul said that he can understand Iran wants nuclear weapons to defend themselves. Bullshit. With the exception of Israel, the countries he listed seem to be, if not friendly to Iran, at least willing to look the other way. He said that Iran doesn't have delivery systems to attack us here with nuclear weapons. But many of the countries he thinks Iran needs to defend themselves from DO have the ability to do so even if they do not have the weapons themselves. Tell me, if we rely on Iran's neighbors to control them, who exactly are we expecting will stop them from shipping more weapons to North Korea? Who will stop NK from shipping ICBMs to them? Combine these and we could be directly attacked. While in general I agree with the idea of not disparaging someone “who speaks with no hesitation in regards to liberty and the defense of "our" personal freedoms” I have no qualms in calling out loudly when I see blatant stupidity, and his belief that we can pull our heads into our shells and live our lives without bother from others that want to do harm for the sake of doing harm, are just blatantly stupid. Dangerously stupid. Choosing to ignore credible threats and escalating violence lead to just under 3000 dead on our own soil almost 10 years ago, choosing to ignore the threat that factually exists in Iran could be exponentially worse. I also have no problems in saying that national security is my number one issue and pretty much regardless of what else he may say or believe on other issues, his position on this unquestionably disqualifies him from being taken even remotely seriously. National security is absolutely non-negotiable. |