[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Battle Comp 1.0 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/14/2010 9:55:27 AM EDT
| Anyone have a Battle Comp 1.0 on your rifle? What do you think of it? |
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I would like to know as well but I have my doubts about moving away from a flash suppressor. I would be curious to know how this compares to the Noveske KX3 that I have. It doesn't flip at all and pushes the rifle into your body. I'll speak for Romper since he's a little tied up at the moment. He just switched fromt he KX3 to the battle comp and is gaga with his new toy  He said it is noticeably louder, but significantly reduces felt recoil/muzzle flip. tbeminio has one being put on as we speak....
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Oh why did you have to go and say that. I want one now.
Never cared about the sound it makes just the results but I'm sure it sucks for those around you unlike the KX3. Shooting with other shooters thats helpful. I do wonder where I can get one pinned to a 14.5 barrel. I like that look of as little barrel sticking out of the hand guard like a SBR. I wanted to do this to the KX3 I have. 
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Oh why did you have to go and say that. I want one now. Never cared about the sound it makes just the results but I'm sure it sucks for those around you unlike the KX3. Shooting with other shooters thats helpful. I do wonder where I can get one pinned to a 14.5 barrel. I like that look of as little barrel sticking out of the hand guard like a SBR. I wanted to do this to the KX3 I have. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/95/img1747r.jpg http://www.adcofirearms.com/ They do great work. Fast turn around time. |
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Well, got to a computer and yes, I love the battle comp......gotta say that yes it is very loud but hold great on pairs and double taps. It would seem that it holds better the faster you shoot. Once things warm up a bit I will give it a propper run through and let you know. Preliminary reports is that is is worth it.
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I do wonder where I can get one pinned to a 14.5 barrel. I like that look of as little barrel sticking out of the hand guard like a SBR. I wanted to do this to the KX3 I have. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/95/img1747r.jpg If you want to stay local, check out http://www.rwsnydergunsmithing.com/secure-rwsnydergunsmithing/Scripts/default.asp He does a great job, is reasonably priced, is a member here, and has a quick turn around. |
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I do wonder where I can get one pinned to a 14.5 barrel. I like that look of as little barrel sticking out of the hand guard like a SBR. I wanted to do this to the KX3 I have. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/95/img1747r.jpg If you want to stay local, check out http://www.rwsnydergunsmithing.com/secure-rwsnydergunsmithing/Scripts/default.asp He does a great job, is reasonably priced, is a member here, and has a quick turn around. Is he a class 3 dealer? It's my understanding you can't have a barrel under 16" shipped to you. Or maybe it's for a pistol lower? |
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I do wonder where I can get one pinned to a 14.5 barrel. I like that look of as little barrel sticking out of the hand guard like a SBR. I wanted to do this to the KX3 I have. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/95/img1747r.jpg If you want to stay local, check out http://www.rwsnydergunsmithing.com/secure-rwsnydergunsmithing/Scripts/default.asp He does a great job, is reasonably priced, is a member here, and has a quick turn around. Is he a class 3 dealer? It's my understanding you can't have a barrel under 16" shipped to you. Or maybe it's for a pistol lower? Robert is a manufacturer like we are. As far as sub 16" barrels, if there is no lower attached to it, then you are fine regardless of licensing. |
| But us regular folk would need to have it shipped directly to him before we can touch the upper?? Since when can we have 14.5" uppers in our home? Just because it not attached would not be a risk I would take. If you have a pistol lower I think you would be fine. Anyone have some input on this? |
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I have one (septic installed it and we shot through it together) and I love it. I chose it over a PWS556 and I'm very happy with my decision. If you're ever in the Cedar Falls area let me know and you can try it out.
I never clean it except when I let Slip 725 run down the bore, then I just wipe off the excess. It's a bit louder than the a2 and I get a muzzle flash from time to time but it's worth it for the control you get. |
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I have one (septic installed it and we shot through it together) and I love it. I chose it over a PWS556 and I'm very happy with my decision. If you're ever in the Cedar Falls area let me know and you can try it out. I never clean it except when I let Slip 725 run down the bore, then I just wipe off the excess. It's a bit louder than the a2 and I get a muzzle flash from time to time but it's worth it for the control you get. Hey thanks - I have been thinking about putting one on and also putting on the Geissele AR15 Super 3 Gun Trigger. |
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But us regular folk would need to have it shipped directly to him before we can touch the upper?? Since when can we have 14.5" uppers in our home? Just because it not attached would not be a risk I would take. If you have a pistol lower I think you would be fine. Anyone have some input on this? I stand by my original post. As long as you don't attach that upper to anything, it is simply parts. |
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But us regular folk would need to have it shipped directly to him before we can touch the upper?? Since when can we have 14.5" uppers in our home? Just because it not attached would not be a risk I would take. If you have a pistol lower I think you would be fine. Anyone have some input on this? I stand by my original post. As long as you don't attach that upper to anything, it is simply parts. Thanks for the info rlarge10- Bottom line I guess it would depend on how the ATF would view their laws. And with Antigun Andrew Traver nomination to as director of the BATFE those parts wont be in my house. It took me a few years and a copy of a ATF letter before I would even buy M16 Full Auto Bolt Carrier for my AR15s. Thanks again & You are most likely 100% right but I guess I prefer to stay on the safe side and not risk losing my rights. |
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Constructive intent is a broad term, but I am sure any smith running a reputable business would work something out. Anyway, if your paying shipping, why not just send it to whoever is going to do the work from whoever you buy it from? You'll save some time and some $$.
ETA: Is the battle comp long enough to bring a 14.5 to the 16 in. mark, or would one have to buy the 14.7? The battle comp doesn't look any longer than an A2 flash hider. |
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My bad thats what I meant, I had the first half right! Btw here's mine, thanks to Septic! http://i.imgur.com/Ch6QUl.jpg No prob. I knew what you meant ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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My bad thats what I meant, I had the first half right! Btw here's mine, thanks to Septic! http://i.imgur.com/Ch6QUl.jpg Looks badass! |
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Robert is a manufacturer like we are. As far as sub 16" barrels, if there is no lower attached to it, then you are fine regardless of licensing. You're allowed to purchase sub 16" barrels and complete upper receiver assemblies, and have them shipped to your house like any other part. The caveat is that the reason you're allowed to do this is because there is a legitimate legal reason to own one: mounting on a AR pistol lower. If you don't have one of those, and you *do* own a rifle lower, I think it would be a pretty easy case for constructive intent. Are you likely to get caught? Not if you send it right off to the smith, and you don't decide to see how it looks on your rifle lower before you do. If you do put it on the rifle lower before you have a muzzle device permanently attached, you've just built an unregistered SBR: go straight to PITMA prison, do not collect $200, do not pass go, etc. It's playing with fire... My CCA Seekins lower will be a pistol lower, once I have it I intend to purchase a 10.5-12.5" upper. Not before then. |
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Robert is a manufacturer like we are. As far as sub 16" barrels, if there is no lower attached to it, then you are fine regardless of licensing. You're allowed to purchase sub 16" barrels and complete upper receiver assemblies, and have them shipped to your house like any other part. The caveat is that the reason you're allowed to do this is because there is a legitimate legal reason to own one: mounting on a AR pistol lower. If you don't have one of those, and you *do* own a rifle lower, I think it would be a pretty easy case for constructive intent. Are you likely to get caught? Not if you send it right off to the smith, and you don't decide to see how it looks on your rifle lower before you do. If you do put it on the rifle lower before you have a muzzle device permanently attached, you've just built an unregistered SBR: go straight to PITMA prison, do not collect $200, do not pass go, etc. It's playing with fire... My CCA Seekins lower will be a pistol lower, once I have it I intend to purchase a 10.5-12.5" upper. Not before then. If you have a 14.5" upper and a battlecomp 1.5, what you have is the constructive possession of a legal length rifle. Like you said, just don't put the upper and lower together until the upper has the muzzle device pinned in place. I have asked one of the local ATF fellas about this and he agrees, but you can do whatever you feel comfortable with. |
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Local ATF might agree, but the law and Big Brother ATF do not. Muzzle devices that aren't permanently attached don't count towards barrel length.
So, if you have:
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for the love of Christ... why all the paranoia???
until you put a short upper on a lower with a stock all you have is a bunch of parts... no more, no less. hell, i know people that buy and sell automatic weapon parts all day long and they don't even have FFLs... to buy parts and pieces is perfectly legal. start assembling things into functioning weapons and you're asking for trouble. parts are parts, not violations of law. |
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Local ATF might agree, but the law and Big Brother ATF do not. Muzzle devices that aren't permanently attached don't count towards barrel length. So, if you have:
There's a lot of internet lore that promotes this line of thinking, but I've never seen any legal proof that validates your position. Could you point us to the code section, ATF ruling, or legal precedent? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
Just picked up my rifle from Septic. Great work from Controlled Chaos Arms and I look forward to using them in the future. I am going to hit the range this weekend and will let you know how the BC1.0 works. Here is a pic of my LMT 16" with 13.2" Larue hand guard and BC1.0.
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Maybe I'm slow but I guess I'll ask it
So SBR parts alone with no pistol lower is okay but having a completed 10" upper with BCG and all with no registered lowers while having rifle lowers in house is bad? Also I know you can't have sbrs in IA but would ATF still accept ur paperwork? Just wondering. |
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Quoted: Maybe I'm slow but I guess I'll ask it So SBR parts alone with no pistol lower is okay but having a completed 10" upper with BCG and all with no registered lowers while having rifle lowers in house is bad? Also I know you can't have sbrs in IA but would ATF still accept ur paperwork? Just wondering. The paperwork requires an LEO signature to file, so that would kill it right there. |
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So SBR parts alone with no pistol lower is okay but having a completed 10" upper with BCG and all with no registered lowers while having rifle lowers in house is bad? parts are parts, otherwise ATF has to prove what was on your mind, and that isn't a crime... |
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From the ATF website. Just a quick google search. There could be more out there or maybe the ATF website is not up to date.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-parts-registration http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#nfa-firearms Bottom line you're the one who will need to explain this if charged. I will also note I couldn't find anything about just having a SBR upper but they do state complete rifles are not allowed without the paperwork. Do what you want in life. I won't be having any of these parts in my house. Thanks for all the input on on the Battle Comp. I think I will be getting one. |
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but it's so shiny!
just kidding. i would never spend 400 bucks on a comp. i love my battlecomp! the only issue is shooting in the dark/low light. they say it's the same flash as an a2 but it's definitely more. not a huge fireball but enough to wash out my red dot for split second. |
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I think you will enjoy it. After shooting a friends Knights T3 ($450) and the Battle Comp ($155) hands down I would give it to the Battle Comp, even if they were the same price. Romper I would have to agree with this, however you need to take this item into context as well. For most shooters, especially in our state where the suppressors are not allowed, the battle comp is going to be your best bet. I will admit that and I have two Triple Taps. The battle comp is going to do everything that the triple tap will do and they are almost identical in performance. The only thing I noticed is the battle comp has a little more concussion to it, while the triple tap will throw more flash. Especially if you are going to run it on a piston system. Where the triple tap comes into it's own is once the suppressor is added. You can find threads all over the internet along with videos that show Triple tap/NT4 system being used and it really is remarkable to watch/listen. That being said, in our state, unless some of the laws are changed, we really can't take advantage of it's full capabilities. I picked mine up used and new/used from guys that were getting into the battle comps. I wouldn't have paid anywhere close to $425 for a triple tap, but they are pricey. You will hear the argument that it's the metal - Iconnell or the machining, blah, blah, blah. The triple Tap should outlast the Battle comp but I doubt any of us will put enough rounds through it to wear either device out. I guess It boils down to you want something or you don't. Done over again, I would own a battle comp. 
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buy once, cry once...
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the geissele is a damn fine trigger.... the only one that compares for what you desribe is the alexander arms unit... For $230.00 it better be good. I'm hearing you can put 12 shots down range in 1.9 seconds with it. |
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the geissele is a damn fine trigger.... the only one that compares for what you desribe is the alexander arms unit... For $230.00 it better be good. I'm hearing you can put 12 shots down range in 1.9 seconds with it. This is true. There's a guy that we work with that has had 3 rock river match triggers break Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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the geissele is a damn fine trigger.... the only one that compares for what you desribe is the alexander arms unit... For $230.00 it better be good. I'm hearing you can put 12 shots down range in 1.9 seconds with it. This is true. There's a guy that we work with that has had 3 rock river match triggers break Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Gee, I thought the sun rose and set in Rock River? 
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the geissele is a damn fine trigger.... the only one that compares for what you desribe is the alexander arms unit... For $230.00 it better be good. I'm hearing you can put 12 shots down range in 1.9 seconds with it. This is true. There's a guy that we work with that has had 3 rock river match triggers break Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Gee, I thought the sun rose and set in Rock River? hell no! not sure where that myth got started, but I wouldn't own one. |
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romper I poked around a little and found some info on a battlecomp 2.0 that is supposed to be coming out. they say it will take a gemtech suppressor...... It's true Here are the first photos of the BattleComp 2.0 (shot with Marty's phone, so please excuse the quality), which is compatible with sound suppressors intended for the A2 muzzle device, such as the GemTech HALO –– after about 500 rounds of test firing:
We've already run about 500 rounds through a HALO, with units en route to GemTech for vetting on their approved list. The BattleComp 2.0 is the first of a series of suppressor compatible BattleComps, which will follow accordingly as 2.1, 2.2, etc. as we adapt more versions to different suppressor models. Just figured you'd want to see them here first. From http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=67709 |