Posted: 4/1/2010 2:07:12 PM EDT
| Hey, has anybody seen this? Looks like tactical training is now available here. |
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Is this an ongoing thing? Class size? Calendar/schedule? SOUNDS GREAT!!! (I need a job!!!!) I would LOVE to do this, and get a CCA lower, but I am having a hard enough time coming up with the cash for you to work on my rifle. NOW the wife wants a new kitchen... POOF!!!! 
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Septic: Is this an ongoing thing? Class size? Calendar/schedule? SOUNDS GREAT!!! (I need a job!!!!) I would LOVE to do this, and get a CCA lower, but I am having a hard enough time coming up with the cash for you to work on my rifle. NOW the wife wants a new kitchen... POOF!!!! Yes this training will be ongoing with new classes being introduced over time. Classes will be kept small(around 6 students per instructor). The schedule is still being worked out, but should be available shortly. |
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I like the fact that veterans of the military and law enforcement are being given credit for the basic courses. Hopefully, no one shows less than adequate skills. Septic or rlarge- have you guys thought about giving USPSA, IDPA, & CMP credit for basic skills? If someone has prior training that they believe qualifies them to skip the basic class, I'm definately willing to discuss it on a case-by-case basis. We just don't want an under-trained individual holding up people that are ready to move ahead. As you can see on the course descriptions, I'm willing to move the class on to new material as soon as the class as a whole is ready. It will benefit everyone in the class to be on the same page 
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I know someone is going to ask this so I'll go ahead and say it
Will any of these courses allow 22lr training rifles and/or pistols for the purpose of saving money? Some courses have allowed this providing a much smaller round count for recoil based portions I know this to be true as Rob Pincus with ICE will allow it. |
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I know someone is going to ask this so I'll go ahead and say it Will any of these courses allow 22lr training rifles and/or pistols for the purpose of saving money? Some courses have allowed this providing a much smaller round count for recoil based portions I know this to be true as Rob Pincus with ICE will allow it. Hopefully Michael and Rick don't mind.......understanding the high cost of ammunition and availability issues that plague us all right now there are just some times when you need to train with the real deal equipment you are going to use as a self defense tool. I guess what I am getting at is that this is one of those times. Rim fire rifles and pistols are great training aids for working on skills that you have already learned and will keep you sharp, but when learning skills for the first time you need the actual equipment. Hope this helps. Romper |
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I know someone is going to ask this so I'll go ahead and say it Will any of these courses allow 22lr training rifles and/or pistols for the purpose of saving money? Some courses have allowed this providing a much smaller round count for recoil based portions I know this to be true as Rob Pincus with ICE will allow it. Hopefully Michael and Rick don't mind.......understanding the high cost of ammunition and availability issues that plague us all right now there are just some times when you need to train with the real deal equipment you are going to use as a self defense tool. I guess what I am getting at is that this is one of those times. Rim fire rifles and pistols are great training aids for working on skills that you have already learned and will keep you sharp, but when learning skills for the first time you need the actual equipment. Hope this helps. Romper this is up to rick. i'll defer to his judgment on this one. however, i can tell you straight up, you'll make no friends and slow the class if this is accepted and you show up with a finicky weapon that jams and has routine problems... this is serious training and you're are given the theory and fundamentals to really shoot well, but you are also pushed. you won't get the full impact of this kind of tutoring if you're constantly grab assing with a weapon that doesn't fire. keep that in mind... this is specifically why the 'cheap' failure prone weapons like the lorcin are excluded right from the start. |
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I know someone is going to ask this so I'll go ahead and say it Will any of these courses allow 22lr training rifles and/or pistols for the purpose of saving money? Some courses have allowed this providing a much smaller round count for recoil based portions I know this to be true as Rob Pincus with ICE will allow it. Hopefully Michael and Rick don't mind.......understanding the high cost of ammunition and availability issues that plague us all right now there are just some times when you need to train with the real deal equipment you are going to use as a self defense tool. I guess what I am getting at is that this is one of those times. Rim fire rifles and pistols are great training aids for working on skills that you have already learned and will keep you sharp, but when learning skills for the first time you need the actual equipment. Hope this helps. Romper this is up to rick. i'll defer to his judgment on this one. however, i can tell you straight up, you'll make no friends and slow the class if this is accepted and you show up with a finicky weapon that jams and has routine problems... this is serious training and you're are given the theory and fundamentals to really shoot well, but you are also pushed. you won't get the full impact of this kind of tutoring if you're constantly grab assing with a weapon that doesn't fire. keep that in mind... this is specifically why the 'cheap' failure prone weapons like the lorcin are excluded right from the start. septic and romper are both correct. While I agree that .22's can be used in training to supplement a persons go-to weapons to work on certain skills or work through specific problems, I don't think that they should be used for "high-speed" training. We train how we fight and fight how we train. I doubt that most people will go to a .22 in a self-defense situation, unless it is the absolute last resort. I've seen plenty of people who can shoot very well with .22's, but when you throw in the extra weight and recoil of a larger caliber, they start to forget the fundamentals. Some of the techniques we are going to teach (recoil management, rapid fire, multiple targets) would also be much easier with a .22. Also, unless your .22 training weapon is setup identical to your regular pistol/carbine, you will hamper your training in the area of consistency and muscle memory. Ultimately, the student would be the one being short-changed by using a .22 in place of the weapons that they would normally employ. The skills that we will be teaching are skills that you will be able to practice on your own after you leave the class. If at that point you feel that you get just as much benefit from using a .22, then that is something you can implement in you training regimen, but I caution you to consider the issues that have been addressed here and understand the pros vs cons of doing so. Remember that practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. IMHO
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Just so I'm clear I wasn't asking for myself primarily. It comes up in a lot of training classes and people ask so I figure get it out of the way. I didn't mean to diminish the seriousness or quality of the training being offered by any means. I know Septic and his drive for perfection and I would expect him to provide a crap service or product under his name.
Myself, would probably be cheap and order a case of Wolf and run that in the course. Then practice with the cheap plinkers afterwards. |
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Just so I'm clear I wasn't asking for myself primarily. It comes up in a lot of training classes and people ask so I figure get it out of the way. I didn't mean to diminish the seriousness or quality of the training being offered by any means. I know Septic and his drive for perfection and I would expect him to provide a crap service or product under his name. Myself, would probably be cheap and order a case of Wolf and run that in the course. Then practice with the cheap plinkers afterwards. Never any harm in asking. I just thought an explanation was in order. 
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Just so I'm clear I wasn't asking for myself primarily. It comes up in a lot of training classes and people ask so I figure get it out of the way. I didn't mean to diminish the seriousness or quality of the training being offered by any means. I know Septic and his drive for perfection and I would expect him to provide a NONcrap service or product under his name. Myself, would probably be cheap and order a case of Wolf and run that in the course. Then practice with the cheap plinkers afterwards. fixed it for ya... 
i think everyone here understands. at least i hope so. you can't practice clearing jams, misfires, etc. in 556 unless you're running 556. you can't practice double and triple taps in 556 unless you're running 556. and so on... if a person wants to practice transition movements, running and gunning, and basic and/or new positions, then by all means, use 22. it is cheap and works well. but for genuine training for the way you operate if and when you need to, the conditions in which we train make all the difference. these classes are priced competitively too. so when the average iowan drives great distances and incurs overnight stays even if 22 were allowed there isn't a financial savings in most cases. with local classes that are first rate, you can take advantage of them and low travel cost and overall training package pricing. so that should ease the financial burden for top shelf training.
i personally think the prices are too cheap, but we'll run with them. 
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Are you going to offer a class for low speed, high drag types? I will have you know, I played Splinter Cell once, so I'm pretty advanced  Yes, we offer a Basic Pistol Operation Class(details are on the website). I think it is an amazing value, as we are teaching in our basic class what others teach in "advanced" classes. |
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You guys should do a special class for Minnesotans with a section on "diversionary lutefisk belching".
The class list looks promising guys. Also being of the Scandinavian persuasion, I have to hold back on the "diversionary lutefisk belching", as I believe it would scare most folks to much.....now kumla ball tossing, or Norsky Kringla throwing pastries will probably have to do.
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You guys should do a special class for Minnesotans with a section on "diversionary lutefisk belching".
The class list looks promising guys. Also being of the Scandinavian persuasion, I have to hold back on the "diversionary lutefisk belching", as I believe it would scare most folks to much.....now kumla ball tossing, or Norsky Kringla throwing pastries will probably have to do.
Romper I don't know what you just said, but I'm gonna take it as disrespect.....you've been warned.....watch your mouth.
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| I took CCW training through Training Specialists over 5 years ago and my CCW is current. I also took an Advanced Level 1 NRA Personal Protection Course through the same outfit about 2 years ago. Are these courses interchangable with your programs? Where would I fit in with respect to the courses you offer? I am also interested in the Tactical Rifle Course you offer. While I like my AR, I prefer to use an AK47/74. Would the AK47/74 be acceptable? |
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I took CCW training through Training Specialists over 5 years ago and my CCW is current. I also took an Advanced Level 1 NRA Personal Protection Course through the same outfit about 2 years ago. Are these courses interchangable with your programs? Where would I fit in with respect to the courses you offer? I am also interested in the Tactical Rifle Course you offer. While I like my AR, I prefer to use an AK47/74. Would the AK47/74 be acceptable? cca training page listen to the podcast from the firearms weekly show from the link at the bottom of the page. it covers everything you were asking about and more. it is worth your time to hear it... good stuff. |
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I took CCW training through Training Specialists over 5 years ago and my CCW is current. I also took an Advanced Level 1 NRA Personal Protection Course through the same outfit about 2 years ago. Are these courses interchangable with your programs? Where would I fit in with respect to the courses you offer? I am also interested in the Tactical Rifle Course you offer. While I like my AR, I prefer to use an AK47/74. Would the AK47/74 be acceptable? I would feel comfortable having you start in Tactical Pistol I. AK's of all flavors are more than welcome in our courses. It was nice meeting you at the Fairgrounds gunshow and hopefully you can make it for some training. |
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I took CCW training through Training Specialists over 5 years ago and my CCW is current. I also took an Advanced Level 1 NRA Personal Protection Course through the same outfit about 2 years ago. Are these courses interchangable with your programs? Where would I fit in with respect to the courses you offer? I am also interested in the Tactical Rifle Course you offer. While I like my AR, I prefer to use an AK47/74. Would the AK47/74 be acceptable? Definitely agreed with Rick, as far as the rifle classes we are set up to take care of pretty much all self loading military style rifles out there.....about the only thing I would ask is that when signing up for a class is to let us know what kind of rifle you are going to be running so we can be better prepared to teach that system. As far as the basic rifle course, I believe it would still be a good to take the basic prior to moving on to the more advanced courses. Shooting out to 100 yards and from all four shooting positions (prone, sitting, kneeling, and standing) can give you a lot of confidence as well as some of the basic information that a lot of rifle owners are not aware of on things like how your sights work, how to figure for wind and humidity as well as distance. Any questions please feel free to ask. I am looking forward to working with you guys. Romper |