Posted: 3/23/2016 9:25:58 PM EDT
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For those of who drive I-75 in Oakland County, the next 16 years will be interesting.
I-75 Corridor Project MDOT Website I-75 Corridor Project Engineering Report |
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Improvements include: reconstructing the freeway, adding a lane to increase capacity with a High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lane that would operate as such, only in the peak hours of travel... So they are going to add another lane, but when its really needed, 95% of commuters wont be able to use it. Sounds like it will have a BIG impact on congestion. Also Southbound backups start well before M59. If the are going to do it the should carry the added lane all the way out to the Clarkston area |
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So they are going to add another lane, but when its really needed, 95% of commuters wont be able to use it. Sounds like it will have a BIG impact on congestion. Also Southbound backups start well before M59. If the are going to do it the should carry the added lane all the way out to the Clarkston area Quoted:
Improvements include: reconstructing the freeway, adding a lane to increase capacity with a High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lane that would operate as such, only in the peak hours of travel... So they are going to add another lane, but when its really needed, 95% of commuters wont be able to use it. Sounds like it will have a BIG impact on congestion. Also Southbound backups start well before M59. If the are going to do it the should carry the added lane all the way out to the Clarkston area And Northbound will still back up from M-24 to Square Lake every afternoon. And I can't see it being easily enforceable either. Is the HOV lane going to end when Square Lake merges with I-75 or are they going to continue it until the lane ends north of M-24? But it will only cost $1 billion or so. |
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So they are going to add another lane, but when its really needed, 95% of commuters wont be able to use it. Sounds like it will have a BIG impact on congestion. Also Southbound backups start well before M59. If the are going to do it the should carry the added lane all the way out to the Clarkston area Quoted:
Improvements include: reconstructing the freeway, adding a lane to increase capacity with a High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lane that would operate as such, only in the peak hours of travel... So they are going to add another lane, but when its really needed, 95% of commuters wont be able to use it. Sounds like it will have a BIG impact on congestion. Also Southbound backups start well before M59. If the are going to do it the should carry the added lane all the way out to the Clarkston area No kidding! |
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And Northbound will still back up from M-24 to Square Lake every afternoon. And I can't see it being easily enforceable either. Is the HOV lane going to end when Square Lake merges with I-75 or are they going to continue it until the lane ends north of M-24? But it will only cost $1 billion or so. As the interchange exists now, I would think the HOV lane would have to end where Square Lake joins in, and I don't think there would be room to reform it before M59. Now if they rework the intersection, and have traffic form Square Lake enter 75N on the Right, then the HOV could run the extra mile up to M-59. That would be a MOJOR undertaking, but looking at what they have done at 96 and 23, I guess anything's possible. According to what is published in those links, the HOV will not go up to where the current lane ends at M-24, as it only runs to M-59. We will now have 5 lanes, dropping to 3 over about 3 miles, and still have the same congestion in the great lakes crossing mall area causing backups. I'd like to see them do what Atlanta does if they do this. 6AM to 10AM, the right shoulder is a driving lane southbound, and the same for northbound from 3PM to 7PM. Sure it makes the interchanges interesting, but helps get more cares down the road. |
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This sounds ridiculous to me. Why the hell is MDOT concerned about encouraging fuel efficient vehicles? More perks for the people paying the least amount in taxes for the road improvement???
What constitutes an HOV vehicle - 2+occupancy is recommended as this is typically standard practice. The minimum occupancy requirement will need to be monitored to determine if 3+ is warranted. If the HOV lanes are getting too congested with the 2+ occupancy, to provide at least a one minute time savings per mile, MDOT may need to implement a 3+ occupancy requirement. Additionally, if MDOT wishes to encourage the use of fuel efficient vehicles, consideration should be given to allowing these types of vehicles in the HOV lanes with less than the required number of passengers. MDOT may also wish to allow public transit vehicles (and possibly privately operated buses and coaches carrying passengers), motorcycles, vanpools, and/or all law enforcement and emergency vehicles to use the HOV lanes at all times. Then I like the part about enforcement. Encourage the agencies to patrol and ticket by giving them the revenues. They don't even try to hide it anymore. So they are going to enforce during peak traffic hours (the only time the lane is restricted), and this is going to help traffic flow. It all makes sense now. MDOT does know they don't have to do every dumbass thing California told them about, right? Responsibility – It is recommended that HOV enforcement be the responsibility of the enforcement agency responsible for that section of roadway. E 3.2 Recommendations for HOV Implementation and Operation Fine Collection – It is proposed that fines collected be directed towards the agency doing the enforcement to encourage their efforts. Fines should be sufficient to be a deterrent and escalate as a motorist incurs multiple violations. |
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As the interchange exists now, I would think the HOV lane would have to end where Square Lake joins in, and I don't think there would be room to reform it before M59. Now if they rework the intersection, and have traffic form Square Lake enter 75N on the Right, then the HOV could run the extra mile up to M-59. That would be a MOJOR undertaking, but looking at what they have done at 96 and 23, I guess anything's possible. According to what is published in those links, the HOV will not go up to where the current lane ends at M-24, as it only runs to M-59. We will now have 5 lanes, dropping to 3 over about 3 miles, and still have the same congestion in the great lakes crossing mall area causing backups. I'd like to see them do what Atlanta does if they do this. 6AM to 10AM, the right shoulder is a driving lane southbound, and the same for northbound from 3PM to 7PM. Sure it makes the interchanges interesting, but helps get more cares down the road. Quoted:
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And Northbound will still back up from M-24 to Square Lake every afternoon. And I can't see it being easily enforceable either. Is the HOV lane going to end when Square Lake merges with I-75 or are they going to continue it until the lane ends north of M-24? But it will only cost $1 billion or so. As the interchange exists now, I would think the HOV lane would have to end where Square Lake joins in, and I don't think there would be room to reform it before M59. Now if they rework the intersection, and have traffic form Square Lake enter 75N on the Right, then the HOV could run the extra mile up to M-59. That would be a MOJOR undertaking, but looking at what they have done at 96 and 23, I guess anything's possible. According to what is published in those links, the HOV will not go up to where the current lane ends at M-24, as it only runs to M-59. We will now have 5 lanes, dropping to 3 over about 3 miles, and still have the same congestion in the great lakes crossing mall area causing backups. I'd like to see them do what Atlanta does if they do this. 6AM to 10AM, the right shoulder is a driving lane southbound, and the same for northbound from 3PM to 7PM. Sure it makes the interchanges interesting, but helps get more cares down the road. They are going to completely rebuild the Square Lake Interchange. I don't see at the moment how it will help anything North of M-59 
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This sounds ridiculous to me. Why the hell is MDOT concerned about encouraging fuel efficient vehicles? More perks for the people paying the least amount in taxes for the road improvement??? What constitutes an HOV vehicle - 2+occupancy is recommended as this is typically standard practice. The minimum occupancy requirement will need to be monitored to determine if 3+ is warranted. If the HOV lanes are getting too congested with the 2+ occupancy, to provide at least a one minute time savings per mile, MDOT may need to implement a 3+ occupancy requirement. Additionally, if MDOT wishes to encourage the use of fuel efficient vehicles, consideration should be given to allowing these types of vehicles in the HOV lanes with less than the required number of passengers. MDOT may also wish to allow public transit vehicles (and possibly privately operated buses and coaches carrying passengers), motorcycles, vanpools, and/or all law enforcement and emergency vehicles to use the HOV lanes at all times. Then I like the part about enforcement. Encourage the agencies to patrol and ticket by giving them the revenues. They don't even try to hide it anymore. So they are going to enforce during peak traffic hours (the only time the lane is restricted), and this is going to help traffic flow. It all makes sense now. MDOT does know they don't have to do every dumbass thing California told them about, right? Responsibility – It is recommended that HOV enforcement be the responsibility of the enforcement agency responsible for that section of roadway. E 3.2 Recommendations for HOV Implementation and Operation Fine Collection – It is proposed that fines collected be directed towards the agency doing the enforcement to encourage their efforts. Fines should be sufficient to be a deterrent and escalate as a motorist incurs multiple violations. I know that I would not want to sit in the shoulder/median on I-75 Northbound or Southbound during rush hour trying to pull over HOV violators. Sounds like a sure way to get hit. Driving I-75 everyday I think it will not be enforceable, or it will be a parking lot. There are also lots of studies out there that show HOV do very little if anything to help with congestion. |
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Is this why they've already cut down all the trees and pulled all the shrubs along I-75 north of m-59? Yep. The bats nest in the trees so they had to cut them down before mating season starts. MDOT - I-75 Tree Cutting Detroit News - I-75 Tree Cutting Detroit Free Press On the Project |