Posted: 12/26/2014 1:41:54 PM EDT
So I have an AR pistol currently and I am waiting on my tax stamp to make it an SBR. My question is this: Since it is registered as a pistol in Michigan when I get my tax stamp and throw my stock on it effectively making it an "SBR" will it also still be a pistol since it's registered as such? Thanks for any info you can give me! 
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For MI requirement, measured with collapsible stock extended or closed? Quoted:
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MI requires that a ATF approved/registered SBR under 26" OAL must be registered as a pistol anyway. For MI requirement, measured with collapsible stock extended or closed? Closed |
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Op: you will be re-registering it as a handgun because you are manufacturing a New firearm. It will be CC-able and you may keep it loaded in the passenger compartment of your vehicle. It is my understanding this is true, ONLY if the OAL is 26" or less. I just had MSP reject my pistol registration on a new SBR (28"). They claimed it didn't qualify as a pistol in Michigan. The lower was originally registered as an "other" (if that matters). And as such, my SBR is thus not a pistol, and thus not allowed to be loaded in the passenger compartment (with a valid CPL) Please clarify if this sounds inaccurate. |
| Hello I am new to this and I am wanting to build a ar pistol I bought a lower and want to put a 10.5 inch upper on . I am a cpl holder how do I register it legally ? Any advise? I bought the lower from a dealer and had it shipped to my FFL and picked it up a few days ago. |
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Hello I am new to this and I am wanting to build a ar pistol I bought a lower and want to put a 10.5 inch upper on . I am a cpl holder how do I register it legally ? Any advise We need to know what your dealer did; If your lower was registered as a rifle, then you are fuct. If the lower was registered as a pistol, then you are already done. If it was registered as an "other", then you simply fill out an RI-060 as both the buyer and seller, and submit it normally when you have completed your pistol build. |
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Bought it from a dealer and picked it up at FFL just lower You need to verify with your FFL about HOW the lower was registered when he/she called the ATF during your background check. Rifle? Pistol? Or Other? That's the critical info we need to answer your question |
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It is my understanding this is true, ONLY if the OAL is 26" or less. I just had MSP reject my pistol registration on a new SBR (28"). They claimed it didn't qualify as a pistol in Michigan. The lower was originally registered as an "other" (if that matters). And as such, my SBR is thus not a pistol, and thus not allowed to be loaded in the passenger compartment (with a valid CPL) Please clarify if this sounds inaccurate. Quoted:
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Op: you will be re-registering it as a handgun because you are manufacturing a New firearm. It will be CC-able and you may keep it loaded in the passenger compartment of your vehicle. It is my understanding this is true, ONLY if the OAL is 26" or less. I just had MSP reject my pistol registration on a new SBR (28"). They claimed it didn't qualify as a pistol in Michigan. The lower was originally registered as an "other" (if that matters). And as such, my SBR is thus not a pistol, and thus not allowed to be loaded in the passenger compartment (with a valid CPL) Please clarify if this sounds inaccurate. What kind of SBR do you plan to build that won't be less than say 26" anyway? |
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An AR-15 with an 11.5" barrel of course Quoted:
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What kind of SBR do you plan to build that won't be less than say 26" anyway? An AR-15 with an 11.5" barrel of course No idea how long that is, my pre-2013 ARE Pistol has a 16" barrel with a battlecomp 1.0 and comes in at 28-3/4 with an NEA stock on it. |
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Sure, but the 16" barrel length rule still applies.
Meaning my 11.5" barrel with collapsed MagPul stock gives me an OAL of 28". This makes it an SBR per ATF standards, and a rifle per Michigan standards. We agree, except that I technically have an SBR that cannot be kept loaded in the passenger compartment of my vehicle. Even if my 11.5" barrel configuration was previously registered as a MI pistol before I added the stock and SBR'ed it. OP, I would make sure your SBR configuration is under 26", or it is no longer considered a MI pistol, and thus cannot be carried in the passenger compartment. |
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Sure, but the 16" barrel length rule still applies. Meaning my 11.5" barrel with collapsed MagPul stock gives me an OAL of 28". This makes it an SBR per ATF standards, and a rifle per Michigan standards. We agree, except that I technically have an SBR that cannot be kept loaded in the passenger compartment of my vehicle. Even if my 11.5" barrel configuration was previously registered as a MI pistol before I added the stock and SBR'ed it. OP, I would make sure your SBR configuration is under 26", or it is no longer considered a MI pistol, and thus cannot be carried in the passenger compartment. Just a minor clarification. Your rifle is still a SBR under MI law also. MCL750.222 (k) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. |
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PUBLIC ACTS 242, 243, & 244 of 2012 specify that a person may lawfully own, possess,
carry, or transport, as a pistol, a firearm greater than 26 inches long if the person registered the firearm as a pistol under the handgun licensure law, before January 1, 2013. The person also must maintain the pistol registration after that date, without lapse, and possess a copy of the pistol license or record. |
| If the barrel is less than 16 inches, or the overall length is less than 26 inches, then it is a SBR according to Michigan law. If the overall length is less than 26 inches, then it is also classified as a pistol in Michigan and must be registered as such. According to MI law, a SBR less than 26 inches in length must be registered as a pistol. If this is the case, then you may carry it loaded in a vehicle. If your SBR is longer than 26 inches in n length, then you may not legally carry it loaded in your car. An AR with a 11.5 inch barrel is about 28 inches, so you can't carry it loaded in your car. |
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http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSPLegalUpdate106_451985_7.pdf
Michigan Penal Code amended to allow a person to make, manufacture, transfer, or possess a short barreled shotgun or short barreled rifle
under certain conditions. Public Act 63 of 2014 amended MCL 750.224b, effective immediately. MCL 750.224b prohibits a person from making, manufacturing, transferring, or possessing a short barreled shotgun (SBS) or a short barreled rifle (SBR) MCL 750.222(i) defines a SBS as a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. MCL 750.222(k) defines a SBR as a rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if t he weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. Under the new amendment, MCL 750.224b(3) allows a person to make, manufacture, transfer, or possess a SBS or a SBR that is lawfully made, manufactured, transferred, or possessed under federal law. Registration Requirements: SBR or SBS that is26 inches or less in length must be registered as a pistol in Michigan MCL 750.224b(4) was added to require that a person, except a manufacturer, lawfully making, transferring, or possessing a SBS or a SBR that is 26 inches or less in length comply with the registration requirements of MCL 28.422 or 28.422a. A SBS or a SBR that is 26 inches or less in length is considered a pistol as defined by Michigan law and is subject to all Michigan statutes applicable to pistols. SBR or SBS that is greater than 26 inches in length: MCL 750.224b(5) was added to require that a person who possesses a SBS or a SBR that is greater than 26 inches in length possess a copy of the federal registration of that SBS or SBR while transporting or using that SBS or SBR and shall present that federal registration to a peace officer upon request by that peace officer. Violation of this subsection is a state civil infraction. I have a laminated copy of this that I keep with my SBR, just in case. |