Posted: 2/7/2014 12:48:04 PM EDT
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First off, sorry if this is a dupe.
How many of you carry a fixed blade? From what I understand, you can carry one as long as you don't have unlawful intent. The law isn't very clear and it seems like it can be left up to the officer to decide what your intent was. 
That is the knife I am wanting to carry. If I want to carry a fixed blade, should I opt for something less tactical looking? Also, can it be concealed or must it be open carried? |
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The way I understand it is the fixed blades are illegal to carry if your not hunting.
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1586_27094-10953--,00.html |
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4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle?
MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. 5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession? MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. |
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4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle? MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. 5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession? MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. dclark77 quoted the MI laws which cover knives. Basically it is legal as long as you have lawful intent. The problem is that there are many different City Ordinances which cover weapons, specially knives. Check out the vague one from Sterling Heights. They have the "except as permitted by law" part which basically says unless otherwise allowed by State law. 35-24. DANGEROUS WEAPONS: POSSESSION PROHIBITED. (A) Except as otherwise permitted by law, no person shall possess or conceal on or about his or her person, in a vehicle or conveyance, or in any location outside of his or her residence, any dangerous or deadly weapon, including but not limited to any irritating spray device, handgun, pistol, revolver, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, lead pipe, club, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, blackjack, switchblade knife, long knife or other dangerous knife, or other object specifically designed or customarily carried or possessed for use as a weapon, except hunting knives adapted and carried as such, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm, except as permitted by law. Every person convicted of such violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon. I carry a 4" single sided folder. I am in no way concerned as I have all lawful intent with it and I have a CPL. I don't think a Judge or Jury out there would convict me of otherwise since I can carry a handgun why would I not be able to carry a knife. I like a folder as they conceal better and can be used just as quick, if not quicker, as a fixed blade. With the knife clipped into my pocket its easy to get to. A fixed blade on a belt would be difficult to get to quickly with out practice. Just have to buy a quality folder with a good locking device. |
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dclark77 quoted the MI laws which cover knives. Basically it is legal as long as you have lawful intent. The problem is that there are many different City Ordinances which cover weapons, specially knives. Check out the vague one from Sterling Heights. They have the "except as permitted by law" part which basically says unless otherwise allowed by State law. 35-24. DANGEROUS WEAPONS: POSSESSION PROHIBITED. (A) Except as otherwise permitted by law, no person shall possess or conceal on or about his or her person, in a vehicle or conveyance, or in any location outside of his or her residence, any dangerous or deadly weapon, including but not limited to any irritating spray device, handgun, pistol, revolver, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, lead pipe, club, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, blackjack, switchblade knife, long knife or other dangerous knife, or other object specifically designed or customarily carried or possessed for use as a weapon, except hunting knives adapted and carried as such, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm, except as permitted by law. Every person convicted of such violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon. I carry a 4" single sided folder. I am in no way concerned as I have all lawful intent with it and I have a CPL. I don't think a Judge or Jury out there would convict me of otherwise since I can carry a handgun why would I not be able to carry a knife. I like a folder as they conceal better and can be used just as quick, if not quicker, as a fixed blade. With the knife clipped into my pocket its easy to get to. A fixed blade on a belt would be difficult to get to quickly with out practice. Just have to buy a quality folder with a good locking device. Quoted:
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4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle? MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. 5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession? MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. dclark77 quoted the MI laws which cover knives. Basically it is legal as long as you have lawful intent. The problem is that there are many different City Ordinances which cover weapons, specially knives. Check out the vague one from Sterling Heights. They have the "except as permitted by law" part which basically says unless otherwise allowed by State law. 35-24. DANGEROUS WEAPONS: POSSESSION PROHIBITED. (A) Except as otherwise permitted by law, no person shall possess or conceal on or about his or her person, in a vehicle or conveyance, or in any location outside of his or her residence, any dangerous or deadly weapon, including but not limited to any irritating spray device, handgun, pistol, revolver, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, lead pipe, club, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, blackjack, switchblade knife, long knife or other dangerous knife, or other object specifically designed or customarily carried or possessed for use as a weapon, except hunting knives adapted and carried as such, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm, except as permitted by law. Every person convicted of such violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon. I carry a 4" single sided folder. I am in no way concerned as I have all lawful intent with it and I have a CPL. I don't think a Judge or Jury out there would convict me of otherwise since I can carry a handgun why would I not be able to carry a knife. I like a folder as they conceal better and can be used just as quick, if not quicker, as a fixed blade. With the knife clipped into my pocket its easy to get to. A fixed blade on a belt would be difficult to get to quickly with out practice. Just have to buy a quality folder with a good locking device. OP, the knife you want to carry is legal on the state level. It is a single-edged blade and you don't intend to use it illegally. However, the biggest issue regarding knives is that there is no state preemption. Therefore, each city government can (and does) set their own ordinances regarding knives. Many times these ordinances are limited to folding knives under 3", if the city allows knives to be carried at all. My best advice to you is that you need to look into the city ordinances where you plan to carry the knife. |
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OP, where do you live? Walking around the streets of Birmingham vs walking around the Walmart in Houghton Lake are apples and oranges. I carry a sog seal pup when I go Bow fishing In clarkston. Guess I should be taking it off before my beer runs into the local kroger 
I always thought you could open carry any size knife but only onceal or pocket carry folders 3" or under |
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OP, where do you live? Walking around the streets of Birmingham vs walking around the Walmart in Houghton Lake are apples and oranges. I carry a sog seal pup when I go Bow fishing In clarkston. Guess I should be taking it off before my beer runs into the local kroger
I always thought you could open carry any size knife but only onceal or pocket carry folders 3" or under |
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dclark77 quoted the MI laws which cover knives. Basically it is legal as long as you have lawful intent. The problem is that there are many different City Ordinances which cover weapons, specially knives. Check out the vague one from Sterling Heights. They have the "except as permitted by law" part which basically says unless otherwise allowed by State law. 35-24. DANGEROUS WEAPONS: POSSESSION PROHIBITED. (A) Except as otherwise permitted by law, no person shall possess or conceal on or about his or her person, in a vehicle or conveyance, or in any location outside of his or her residence, any dangerous or deadly weapon, including but not limited to any irritating spray device, handgun, pistol, revolver, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, lead pipe, club, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, blackjack, switchblade knife, long knife or other dangerous knife, or other object specifically designed or customarily carried or possessed for use as a weapon, except hunting knives adapted and carried as such, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm, except as permitted by law. Every person convicted of such violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon. I carry a 4" single sided folder. I am in no way concerned as I have all lawful intent with it and I have a CPL. I don't think a Judge or Jury out there would convict me of otherwise since I can carry a handgun why would I not be able to carry a knife. I like a folder as they conceal better and can be used just as quick, if not quicker, as a fixed blade. With the knife clipped into my pocket its easy to get to. A fixed blade on a belt would be difficult to get to quickly with out practice. Just have to buy a quality folder with a good locking device. Quoted:
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4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle? MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. 5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession? MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. dclark77 quoted the MI laws which cover knives. Basically it is legal as long as you have lawful intent. The problem is that there are many different City Ordinances which cover weapons, specially knives. Check out the vague one from Sterling Heights. They have the "except as permitted by law" part which basically says unless otherwise allowed by State law. 35-24. DANGEROUS WEAPONS: POSSESSION PROHIBITED. (A) Except as otherwise permitted by law, no person shall possess or conceal on or about his or her person, in a vehicle or conveyance, or in any location outside of his or her residence, any dangerous or deadly weapon, including but not limited to any irritating spray device, handgun, pistol, revolver, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, lead pipe, club, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, blackjack, switchblade knife, long knife or other dangerous knife, or other object specifically designed or customarily carried or possessed for use as a weapon, except hunting knives adapted and carried as such, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm, except as permitted by law. Every person convicted of such violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon. I carry a 4" single sided folder. I am in no way concerned as I have all lawful intent with it and I have a CPL. I don't think a Judge or Jury out there would convict me of otherwise since I can carry a handgun why would I not be able to carry a knife. I like a folder as they conceal better and can be used just as quick, if not quicker, as a fixed blade. With the knife clipped into my pocket its easy to get to. A fixed blade on a belt would be difficult to get to quickly with out practice. Just have to buy a quality folder with a good locking device. What confusing bullshit |
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I carry a sog seal pup when I go Bow fishing In clarkston. Guess I should be taking it off before my beer runs into the local kroger
I always thought you could open carry any size knife but only onceal or pocket carry folders 3" or under Quoted:
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OP, where do you live? Walking around the streets of Birmingham vs walking around the Walmart in Houghton Lake are apples and oranges. I carry a sog seal pup when I go Bow fishing In clarkston. Guess I should be taking it off before my beer runs into the local kroger
I always thought you could open carry any size knife but only onceal or pocket carry folders 3" or under The way the law is written, it depends on your intent. If you intend to do someone bodily harm, make sure it's under 3".
My EDC knife is a 3 1/2" folder, but I have no intention of using it against anyone. |
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Blade laws in MI are full retard. Rjbergen is onto it though.
The bottom line: MI statute is extremely lawyer-ed. Goes to intent, etc. HOWEVER, all counties have enacted blade restrictions. Almost all in MI say no longer than 3 inches. A few being 4 inches. Therefore, if you carry a blade over 3 inches, no matter intent, you're violating local laws. At least that's my understanding of it. |
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HOWEVER, all counties have enacted blade restrictions. Almost all in MI say no longer than 3 inches. A few being 4 inches. Therefore, if you carry a blade over 3 inches, no matter intent, you're violating local laws. At least that's my understanding of it. In most cases that is completely correct; however, in some crazy cities, knives are banned. We really need state preemption for all weapons, not just firearms. ETA: Here is a decent link with some explanations. Here is a spreadsheet that briefly covers knife laws in cities around the country. Center Line does not allow knives to be carried at all. |
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My uncle was a LEO in Detroit for years. Never had a serious injury. Retired and joined bloomfield pd. He was stabbed by a nutjob on a traffic stop. A man armed with a knife within about 18 feet of you and your 1911 will reach you and stab you. Yeah, you may put a few in him but you will still get stabed. Vests dont stop knives,
That cop IS fairly worried about that knife. That said, the mi legislature needs to preempt the nonsense. on topic, does anyone know the law regarding a knife comcealed by its nature. Say a cane knife/sword. I have a buddy that has a knife that folds down to a credit card.... not credit card size, it literally looks like a credit card. I would wonder if by its nature its a concealed weapon? any thoughts? |
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My uncle was a LEO in Detroit for years. Never had a serious injury. Retired and joined bloomfield pd. He was stabbed by a nutjob on a traffic stop. A man armed with a knife within about 18 feet of you and your 1911 will reach you and stab you. Yeah, you may put a few in him but you will still get stabed. Vests dont stop knives, That cop IS fairly worried about that knife. That said, the mi legislature needs to preempt the nonsense. on topic, does anyone know the law regarding a knife comcealed by its nature. Say a cane knife/sword. I have a buddy that has a knife that folds down to a credit card.... not credit card size, it literally looks like a credit card. I would wonder if by its nature its a concealed weapon? any thoughts? I have 1 of these sitting on my desk right now. My nephew bought 3 of them, and gave me 1. As far as being a weapon, I'd say it's damn near useless. But concealed, most definitely. Not sure if I'll ever put it in my wallet. The only time I'm without a knife is on a plane. |
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My uncle was a LEO in Detroit for years. Never had a serious injury. Retired and joined bloomfield pd. He was stabbed by a nutjob on a traffic stop. A man armed with a knife within about 18 feet of you and your 1911 will reach you and stab you. Yeah, you may put a few in him but you will still get stabed. Vests dont stop knives, That cop IS fairly worried about that knife. That said, the mi legislature needs to preempt the nonsense. on topic, does anyone know the law regarding a knife comcealed by its nature. Say a cane knife/sword. I have a buddy that has a knife that folds down to a credit card.... not credit card size, it literally looks like a credit card. I would wonder if by its nature its a concealed weapon? any thoughts? I used think breaking a knife law was a tack-on violation. For example, if you were detained for something else and the search produced a knife, that was one more thing to charge you with. The other crime would be a determination of unlawful intent. |