Posted: 9/23/2012 9:58:44 AM EDT
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I know this is coming up and I figure since no one else is asking I should,
Main question, if voting in for the ones that affect the Constitution, would that just change the Constitution for that proposal or would it open up the Constitution for people to go crazy and try and change stuff? |
| I'm somewhat confused about all the proposals as well, hopefully one of the astute legal minds will chime in. I know I'm voting against changing the constitution, I'm not sure about all this bridge business, and I thought there was another one I was unclear about as well that seems to be escaping me at the moment. I'm glad this was brought up. |
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This might help some : http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_2012_ballot_measures Proposal 2 would amend the state constitution. The part that gets me is : Invalidate existing or future state or local laws that limit the ability to join unions and bargain collectively, and to negotiate and enforce collective bargaining agreements, including employees’ financial support of their labor unions. Laws may be enacted to prohibit public employees from striking.
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Here is a summary sheet on the proposals: Here are the porposed amendments and some more information: 1 EMERGENCY MANAGER LAW http://www.mackinac.org/17319 6 INTERNATIONAL BRIDGE - this requires a popular vote to build a new international bridge. |
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Quoted: The conservative way to vote is no to all. That is how i am voting I have seen a ton of political ads on TV for the Bridge, Health care workers, and union. I have yet to see an ad going against these. I'll be voting no for all, but am afraid the union thugs will get their way.
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I really want 5 to pass but I don't want to vote yes on it if it can cause the Constitution to be opened for changed to everything, as some genius a few years ago wanted to change the whole thing into Liberal paradise. 2/3rds majority for budget is part of what got california into a budget mess. |
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Please note that the guy who owns the international bridge is a bag. He has spent jail time over breaking deals with the bridge and a judge had to intervene and take his money to complete projects he refuse to.
I can't post links...all I can say is please do the research and spread the word. I sound like a douche but the company I work for is doing work for the state under the court decision so I'm just tring to over my ass. |
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A few excerpts from Republican Michigander Blogspot
http://www.republicanmichigander.blogspot.com/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thursday, September 20, 2012 41 cent gas tax isn't good enough for Rick Snyder - Another reason to vote for Proposal 5 (2/3rd) When are the 2014 primaries starting again? Rick Snyder needs a primary challenger. He's killing us and our party (and I don't think he's really a Republican to begin with, just a technocrat). I think he's hurting Romney as well. It's always been one step forward and two steps back with this guy. He vetoed the election reforms, and now he's on record - again - for yet another tax increase. Jennifer Granholm was the Matt Millen of Governors, and when it comes to taxes, Snyder is little to no different. Increase them. With Republicans like Snyder, we don't need democrats. The chattering and government classes in Lansing have long been on a jihad to increase the gas tax and registration fees. That hasn't changed and it has flared up again. ..... The bad news is that unless the 2/3 proposal passes, eventually this tax increase will pass, likely in a lame duck session. When I don't know, but there's too much of a sustained Lansing insider push from the government class. Click on the gas tax label on the blog and you'll see a ton of it, largely from termed out legislators, road lobbyists, and local governments. It's not just democrats either, but insider republicans (although definitely not a conservative) like Ken Sikkema who gave Granholm almost everything she wanted in her first term. Right now a lot of legislators are scared of this and rightly so, but this could kill us in a lame duck at some point, especially if the governor is also in lame duck. This is a big reason why the 2/3rd amendment has to pass. It would have stopped the Blanchard, Granholm, and Snyder taxes that have been passed. It can also stop the gas tax increases whether it is pushed by Granholm, Snyder, or whoever is there in the future. The legislature does not always check and balance the governor who is mistakenly viewed as the leader of the party. Vote yes on Proposal 5. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Read the whole thing, it has more specifics. More details in the post below as well. |
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I really want 5 to pass but I don't want to vote yes on it if it can cause the Constitution to be opened for changed to everything, as some genius a few years ago wanted to change the whole thing into Liberal paradise. 2/3rds majority for budget is part of what got california into a budget mess. How so? Serious question. |