Posted: 6/2/2010 6:41:33 AM EDT
| I'm toying with the idea of building an AR pistol. I have a stripped receiver I bought about a year ago, and have never built anything with it. Did I need to have registered that as a pistol immediately when I bought it, or can I still build it into a pistol? |
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If it was transferred as a pistol under the old 4473 and never had a buttstock attached, you would have needed a PP or CPL/RI-60 to purchase it and it is good to go for a Fed pistol build.
If it was transferred as a rifle under the old 4473, do not build a Fed pistol out of it. You could still build it as a 26-30" MI pistol though. If it was transferred as "other" on the new 4473 (changed late in 09) and never had a buttstock attached, then you can get a PP and assemble it as a Fed or MI pistol or, if you have a CPL, assemble it as a Fed or MI pistol and submit an RI-60. Easy as pie, huh? |
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Ok, so apparently I can't use the bare receiver I currently have (I have no idea how it was listed on the 4473, but it was purchased around May 2009, so likely before there was the "other" option).
So I need a new reciever. If I walk into a local store (say, Firing Line) and buy one that I want to build into a pistol, what should I have them put down on the 4473? "Other" or "Receiver" or something like that? Would I have them fill out an RI-60 as if it's a pistol? Thanks, |
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If you bought a bare receiver in 2009 it SHOULD have been marked "reciever" on the 4473......call the dealer you got it from and ask for a copy, that's what I did. I don't know exactly when the form changed, but it had done so by 2009, and if the dealer did the paperwork properly you may be in the clear.
If you buy a new lower now, it should be marked as a "receiver" or "other"......that's the proper way to fill out the paperwork. I am curious as to whether at that time you could have the dealer transfer it to you as a "pistol" |
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If it was transferred as a pistol under the old 4473 and never had a buttstock attached, you would have needed a PP or CPL/RI-60 to purchase it and it is good to go for a Fed pistol build. If it was transferred as a rifle under the old 4473, do not build a Fed pistol out of it. You could still build it as a 26-30" MI pistol though. If it was transferred as "other" on the new 4473 (changed late in 09) and never had a buttstock attached, then you can get a PP and assemble it as a Fed or MI pistol or, if you have a CPL, assemble it as a Fed or MI pistol and submit an RI-60. Easy as pie, huh? It's surprising how difficult it is to do this. I have 2 done this way, and to get them together took a lot of figuring and measuring.....mainly the carbine buffer system is the problem.....Combined with the shortest legal barrel, it's still too long. I used a Gunsmoke pistol buffer with a 14.5" permaphantom for one, and an Ace folding stock, a 20" rifle barrel and a 22LR conversion for the other. I only did it for grandfather reasons. I took a couple pics and tore them apart, now they sit there in the box waiting for a bufferless upper someday. |
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Thanks, I'll check with the dealer. If I'm good to go with the current one... what do I do to register it as a pistol? Fill out an RI-60 with myself as "seller"?? Yeh, thats it. Don't order an upper till you have the paperwork done.....constructive intent is the charge. I bought a 5 round magazine so I could legally put a 5 round capacity on the form. |
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I bought a 5 round magazine so I could legally put a 5 round capacity on the form. There's no requirement for that, though, right? I have 10, 20, and 30 rounds AR mags, figured I'd just put down 10. Any issue on barrel length, when I don't even have the upper yet? Just pick a length I figure I'll go with? |
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I bought a 5 round magazine so I could legally put a 5 round capacity on the form. There's no requirement for that, though, right? I have 10, 20, and 30 rounds AR mags, figured I'd just put down 10. Any issue on barrel length, when I don't even have the upper yet? Just pick a length I figure I'll go with? No, no requirement, I just wanted it to say 5 instead of 30.....My own reasons. Barrel length is no issue with a registered pistol receiver. It could be as long or as short as you want. As far as I know, the FED definition of a pistol doesn't state any barrel length specs. It says "intended to be fired with one hand" On the other hand though, your paperwork might look odd if you put down 20"......I did, but that's a rifle/pistol. I doubt any of it matters, I just like to make my paperwork look as neutered as possible. If for any reason the registry became a confiscation database, my AR pistol will say ......7 inch barrel, .22LR, 5 round capacity....Just me being paranoid. ETA: Yeh, just pick the length you figure you'll get. |
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If you bought a bare receiver in 2009 it SHOULD have been marked "reciever" on the 4473......call the dealer you got it from and ask for a copy, that's what I did. My bad - the form changed in late 2008, so anything bought in 2009 should be GTG, but there were some dealers still using the old form well after they should have been into 2009, so definitely get a copy of yours to verify. If it's the new form and it was transferred as a receiver, build a pistol or rifle out of it. |
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Just got back from the local Police Dept. Turned in the RI-60, they were fine with it. Also had them stamp the back of my RI-60 copies with their dept logo and the date, so I have proof of when I registered it as a pistol. Thanks everyone for the information. That's a neat Idea, I've been wishing I had "proof" of registration for a few of my rifle/pistols.....I actually miss the green card for that. |
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It's the first time I've ever asked them to do that. I figured I'd be a little more careful here, with the issue of timing (i.e., not ordering my short-barrelled upper until I had the lower registered as a pistol).
I wouldn't want to have them lose the RI-60, never actually register it as a pistol, then have some issue where it looked like I built an illegal SBR. |