Posted: 7/8/2009 7:44:49 AM EDT
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Ive been out of the loop so you may have already seen this.
Effective July 1 law enforcement will be taking DNA upon ARREST, with out a warrant, for various offenses. Before it was upon conviction and ordered by a Judge, now its upon arrest. They even have the balls to call it "DNA identification profiling system". I thought profiling was supose to be illegal. Hopefullly the first person to have their DNA collected upon arrest, refuses and fights this to the supreme court. An LE buddy of mine states that MSP was the pusher for this and that they figure since they already take a copy of your finger prints they can take your DNA. Need we remind them that you can do alot more bad things with a persons DNA than their finger prints. Another reason to love Michigan. DNA Law |
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I have a big problem with this.
But, if you want to talk about government intrusion in your lives, how about paying attention to the cameras that are being put up all over the place. Have you missed the part where they always point at the direction that will allow them to see which way the license plate goes at intersections and off/on-ramps? The cameras have microwave antennas on them which means high speed, high resolution digital video, which is what you need to operate ALPRS. You would be shocked to find these damned things in some of the remotest intersections around.. It's definitely not for traffic control, and I know the State of Michigan isn't paying for it. |
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Obviously you trust the governement more than I do. I never said that, hell, I don't trust much of anybody to be honest. I was just asking the question. I can't think of much they can do with it other than identify a body, living or dead; it ain't like they're gonna clone me. ETA If this is what you speak of, SB429 it looks like it was introduced on April 2nd, has only 2 sponsors, and has gone nowhere, though I might not understand the process totally. Where did you find the July 1st info at? |
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It looks like Senators CLARKE and HUNTER introduced SB429 to combat what has gone into effect with this law current law effective July 1. MSP has already sent the info and kits to local law enforcement. It looks like SB429 strikes out the part about "a) The individual is arrested for a violent felony as that term is defined in section 36 of the corrections code of 1953, 1953 PA 232, MCL 791.236."
MSP Legal Update Section Ammended Statute As far as the cameras go. Your right. |
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Ah, there we go, I was lookin, but I didn't find that anywhere, never even saw act 380. Thanks.
I didn't see any problem with the 1990 law, looked like they wanted a DNA record for identifying murderers, child molesters, and dead hookers. The "conviction" part was the key. I still don't really care since I don't plan to be arrested any time soon. But, if I were I surely wouldn't be providing one, they might take one, but by then it'd be beyond my control. When they say register your child's DNA upon birth, or when you renew your drivers license, then I'll have a problem |
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I just read the law a little more and the penalty for refusal is a misdemeanor. So your arrested on a felony and all they can do is charge you with a misdemenor. Can you say "No disrepect Officer but I Refuse". Im going to email the MI ACLU and see if they are on top of this. The collection upon conviction started as just felonies then some misdemeanors were added. Now we have it upon arrest. I was never one to believe in the "conspiracy theory" or once the gov has their foot in the door watch out, but it sure seems to be heading that way.
Oh, speaking of drivers license, if you havent see the new "enhanced" one its got a new computer coding on the back with additional info. |
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Haven't seen the driver license yet, but the only place that's ever swiped mine was the local library. I ain't worried.....yet.
I agree with not letting them get their foot in the door with anything, but felons I consider an exception, too many are repeat offenders. You do something bad enough to go to jail, then you should give up some right to privacy for the safety of those who haven't. A DNA record of convicts ain't a bad Idea, nor is dead hooker ID and sex offenders, probably save the state a lot of money and time. Upon arrest is pushing it, most good people aren't wrongfully arrested, probably would never effect me or anyone I know. Still, arrested and convicted are very different things. I've broken a few laws in my time, but never even close to being a felon, never been arrested. Just a lot of seatbelt tickets, I'm a repeat offender  . More civil disobedience than disregard for the law, I consider the fine to be the cost of freedom.
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