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3/17/2009 2:58:46 PM EDT
i'm considering purchasing a GSG-5, I know they make a pistol version of it but I may have a deal on the rifle version..    I

 I'm wondering about the legality of things with it.  

Does anyone know?  I did a search and didnt come up with any of the answers

- Is it legal to remove the fake suppressor and reg it as a pistol?  

- Can a folding / collapsible stock be put on it?

tnx for the help.

Earp

3/18/2009 4:29:27 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
i'm considering purchasing a GSG-5, I know they make a pistol version of it but I may have a deal on the rifle version..    I

 I'm wondering about the legality of things with it.  

Does anyone know?  I did a search and didnt come up with any of the answers

- Is it legal to remove the fake suppressor and reg it as a pistol?  

- Can a folding / collapsible stock be put on it?

tnx for the help.

Earp



The fake suppressor is just a slip-on so if you take it off, it will be just the pencil thin barrel.
You can install a collapsible stock on it but you will have to register it as a pistol. The following pics can be seen HERE

3/18/2009 5:32:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Greg, I thought here in MI a pistol with a stock is a no-no?

But then, the PS90...what the hell do I know?

3/18/2009 5:39:17 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm just trying to sort through everything on this  gun.  From what it looks like it has lot's of opportunities to get you into trouble.  So I just want to know what to avoid before I actually buy one.  That is IF i buy one

3/18/2009 7:03:08 AM EDT
[#4]
From what I read the GSG5 has a 16"barrel and an OAL on 33.5" with normal fixed stock. Therefore is a legal rifle in MI. If you want one with a stock the barrel has to be 16". If you buy the pistol version with a shorter barrel, its fine but can never have a stock put on it or else its an illegal short barreled rifle. If you put a colapsable stocck on a GSG5 rifle, the OAL must be greater that 26" when the stock is folded. Because of MI silly definition of a pistol, if the OAL is between 26" and 30" it needs to be registered as a pistol.
3/18/2009 8:50:14 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Greg, I thought here in MI a pistol with a stock is a no-no?

But then, the PS90...what the hell do I know?



It is a no-no to have a pistol(less than 16" barrel) with a stock.  That would make it a short barreled rifle.
However as said above, if a rifle(which has to have a 16"+ barrel to be cosidered a rifle) can be collapsed to within 26" to 30", it is within the pistol length and must be registered as so.  ie. an u/f ak must be registered as a pistol because it can still be fired in the folded position.

750.222 Definitions.
(e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its
construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm.

(j) “Rifle” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed
redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile
through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

(k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle,
whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
3/18/2009 7:20:51 PM EDT
[#6]
I had to make (well, made a couple) bolt on sling mounts that attach to the folding stock for it to be legal. Without the sling mount it is an SBR under State law, but not Federal law.