Posted: 4/5/2008 11:39:01 AM EDT
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I'm planning on taking a day off work and being at these hearings. If you can't make it, please send a polite letter to the committee members listed below and ask them to support HB4490. Admins, can you make this a sticky until after April 15th?; Registration Reform in Michigan! Please Contact the Committee Members Today! House Bill 4490 will be heard on Tuesday, April 15 in the House Committee on Tourism, Outdoor Recreation, and Natural Resources. Introduced by State Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93) HB4490 would repeal the required "safety inspection" for newly obtained handguns. HB 4490 would also require law enforcement agencies to destroy "safety inspection" records on file. Current Michigan law requires anyone who comes into possession of a pistol to take it to the police or sheriff’s department for a safety inspection. The requirement of a safety inspection is a burdensome waste of time for law-abiding gun owners and HB4490 will end that inconvenience. Please contact the members of the House Committee on Tourism, Outdoor Recreation, and Natural Resources and respectfully urge them to support passage of HB4490. House Committee on Tourism, Outdoor Recreation, and Natural Resources State Representative Joel Sheltrown (D-103), Committee Chair (517) 373-3817 [email protected] State Representative Kate Ebli (D-56), Majority Vice-Chair (517) 373-2617 [email protected] State Representative Tom Casperson (R-10, Minority Vice-Chair (517) 373-0156 [email protected] State Representative Terry Brown (D-84) (517) 373-0476 [email protected] State Representative Ted Hammon (D-50) (517) 373-3906 [email protected] State Representative Kenneth Horn (R-94) (517) 373-0837 [email protected] State Representative Kathleen Law (D-23) (517) 373-0855 [email protected] State Representative Steven Lindberg (D-109) (517) 373-0498 [email protected] State Representative Mike Simpson (D-65) (517) 373-1775 [email protected] State Representative John Stakoe (R-44) (517) 373-2616 [email protected] State Representative Howard Walker (R-104) (517) 373-1766 [email protected] -- Mike Kelly Detroit, MI. http://unme.mee.nu |
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Please correct me if I'm wrong Mike, but the way I understand it, this Bill doesn't end handgun registration. It just just eliminates the safety inspection slips, correct? If so, the presentation of it is very misleading. What we really need is the end of handgun registration entirely. |
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There is no such thing as "handgun registration". That's illegal. This is the reason they call it a "Safety Inspection". The safety inspection records are kept and act just like a registration. It's a back door registration. Get rid of the safety inspection and we get rid of the BS, illegal handgun registration!  I'm surprised you didn't know this already. 
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I prefer to call things what they really are......it's REGISTRATION, no matter how you slice it. This bill only eliminates the permission slip and RI-60. It still requires that all handguns be REGISTERED with the State. The only thing that changes is the way in which the REGISTRATION is accomplished. Semantics and legislative lies. 
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So are you saying that there are 2 separate things here? I only see 1. The "Safety Inspection" which also acts as a quasi "Registration". Repeal the "Safety Inspection" and the quasi gun registration goes with it. Did you read the bill or did I not read it right? * Clicky ! ! ! *<~~~ |
I agree, assuming the language has not changed since last year. Click here for some amateur legal analysis. And more. |
| If the saftey inspection goes away doesn't that mean ccw guys are now out of the registration loop. It's sure is a real kick in nuts, this backdoor registration B.s. The Local cops are o.k. but still, I should not need to do a meet and greet every time I throw down a few hundred dollars on a pistol. The local paperwork even has a spot for a reference, I use myself. I have not been charged yet but I could end up paying $10 plus if the dispatcher was not so kind. |
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I hate to say it but the committee has 7 Democrats, 2 being woman, and 4 Republicans. The bill will die in committee. With the current set up, I have to drive 58 miles round trip to get the Permit to Purchase, and the do it again for the Safety Certificate. That sucks. |
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From: Michigan House Legislative Analysis Section Link ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ELIMINATE PISTOL SAFETY INSPECTIONS AND DESTROY EXISTING RECORDS House Bill 4490 Sponsor: Rep. Paul Opsommer House Bill 4491 Sponsor: Rep. Joel Sheltrown Committee: Tourism, Outdoor Recreation, and Natural Resources Complete to 10-15-07 A SUMMARY OF HOUSE BILLS 4490 AND 4491 AS INTRODUCED 3-20-07 These bills would (1) eliminate the current requirement in the Michigan handgun licensure law that pistol owners obtain safety inspection certificates; (2) require that all existing records of inspection certificates maintained by local and state law enforcement officials be destroyed; and (3) eliminate the misdemeanor crime of failing to have one's pistol inspected. House Bill 4490 would repeal Section 9 of the handgun licensure act (MCL 28.429), which requires people who purchase or otherwise come into possession of a pistol in Michigan to obtain a safety inspection certificate from their local police department (or local sheriff, if they reside in a part of the state without an organized police department). That section also requires local law enforcement officials and the State Police to maintain records of safety inspection certificates. The bill would require state and local law enforcement officials to destroy all of their existing records of pistol safety inspections within one year. House Bill 4491 would repeal Section 228 of the Michigan Penal Code (MCL 750.228) under which a person who fails to have his or her pistol inspected as required is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days, or a fine of up to $100, or both. The bill would also eliminate other references to Section 9 and safety inspections contained in the Penal Code. House Bill 4491 is tie-barred to House Bill 4490, meaning it could not take effect unless both bills were enacted. FISCAL IMPACT House Bill 4490 would have an indeterminate fiscal impact on the state and on local governments. Some administrative costs may be associated with the destruction of safety inspection records by the State Police and local law enforcement agencies. House Bill 4491 would have an indeterminate fiscal impact on the state and on local governments. Legislative Analyst: Shannan Kane Fiscal Analyst: Jan Wisniewski ■ This analysis was prepared by nonpartisan House staff for use by House members in their deliberations, and does not constitute an official statement of legislative intent. |
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Yeah, the safety inspection thing, is real BS. I had to take 2 half days off of work because the local PD only does their permits and "inspections" for a couple hours, one day a week. By the way,I'm Jason, I'm new here. I've lurked for a little bit, but just recently joined. |
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Having a concealed pistol license will eliminate one of those half days. With a CPL no purchase permit is required. That legislative analysis doesn't tell the whole story. Handgun registration remains in place and that is the real evil. I'll keep hammering that point as long as this is in play. |
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Standing Committee Meeting Tourism, Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resources, Rep. Joel Sheltrown, Chair Date: 04/15/2008 Time: 10:30 AM Place: 521 House Office Building, Lansing, MI Agenda: HB 5969 (Mayes) Weapons; licensing; definition of resident for registration requirements; clarify, and create exception for certain licensure provisions under certain circumstances. HB 4490 (Opsommer) Weapons; licensing; requirement for post-purchase pistol safety inspection; eliminate. HB 4491 (Sheltrown) Crimes; weapons; crime of failing to have pistol safety inspected after purchase; repeal, and eliminate certain other references to pistol safety inspections. HB 5108 (Sheltrown) Weapons; licensing; requirement of firearm training before issuance of concealed weapon permit; exclude certain veterans. HB 5983 (Ebli) Natural resources; wildlife; taking of raptors for falconry; eliminate sunset. HB 5697 (Hildenbrand) Natural resources; wildlife; taking of raptors for falconry; eliminate sunset. To view text of legislation go to http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.asp?page=Bills Individuals who wish to bring written testimony need to supply a minimum of thirty copies for distribution. Individuals needing special accommodations to participate in the meeting may contact the Chair's office. Committee Clerk: David Mead Phone: 517-373-2013 Schedule changes or cancellations available at www.legislature.mi.gov or 24 hours at (517) 373-8140. Subscribe/Unsubs |
| People attending these hearings need to also mention the silencer issue we are facing. At least try to approach a legislator before or after the hearing. Briefly apprise them of whats going on with the AG Opinion and perhaps the need for legislative action making them legal. |
Handgun registration is illegal? How so? Look at the MSP website. They refer to it in almost every case as registration. |
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Remember guys, this bill was brought in by a Democrat. If it's played right (the racism angle), no Democrat in this state will stand against it. Still not seeing how a registration process will be in place after this is a done deal. Assuming that you (without a CPL) will have to get a permit to purchase, all they will have is a list of people who have bought a gun at some point. "Sorry officer, I sold that gun to a coworker that I don't like years ago. Here's his name. I think he does drugs now. Have a good night, and go get 'im boys!"
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Michigan House Bills 4490 and 4491 pass House 2008/04/16 Legislative Update Michigan House Bills 4490 and 4491 passed out of the Tourism and Outdoor Recreation Committee by a vote of 8 - 1. The Bills were sent to the full House April 16th. These bills would (1) eliminate the current requirement in the Michigan handgun licensure law that pistol owners obtain safety inspection certificates; (2) require that all existing records of inspection certificates maintained by local and state law enforcement officials be destroyed; and (3) eliminate the misdemeanor crime of failing to have one's pistol inspected. House Bill 4490 would repeal Section 9 of the handgun licensure act (MCL 28.429), which requires people who purchase or otherwise come into possession of a pistol in Michigan to obtain a safety inspection certificate from their local police department (or local sheriff, if they reside in a part of the state without an organized police department). That section also requires local law enforcement officials and the State Police to maintain records of safety inspection certificates. The bill would require state and local law enforcement officials to destroy all of their existing records of pistol safety inspections within one year. House Bill 4491 would repeal Section 228 of the Michigan Penal Code (MCL 750.228) under which a person who fails to have his or her pistol inspected as required is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days, or a fine of up to $100, or both. The bill would also eliminate other references to Section 9 and safety inspections contained in the Penal Code. House Bill 4491 is tie-barred to House Bill 4490, meaning it could not take effect unless both bills were enacted. Roll call vote results: HB 4490, Yeas 93 Nays 15. HB 4491, Yeas 92 Nays 16 Bills now move to the Senate. Link |
Not sure about state law, but I have heard this before. There are federal prohibitions against registration. One of which is included in the 1986 FOPA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act Registry prohibition The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation. The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 created a national background check system to prevent firearms sales to such "prohibited persons." In order to comply with the prohibition on a Federal registry of non-NFA items, records of background checks are legally required to be destroyed after 24 hours. The proper enforcement of this provision has been a goal of gun rights groups. |
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EXCELLENT JOB GUYS. Now, let's get moving on the Senate side. 2007 Senate Bill 370 (Repeal pistol “safety inspection” law ) 2007 Senate Bill 371 (Repeal pistol “safety inspection” law ) These Bills are currently referred to the Committee on Judiciary. What you can do: 1. Write letter to Senators in the Committee to get them to send out the bill with their favorable vote. Senators Kuipers (C), Cropsey (VC), Sanborn, Patterson, Whitmer (MVC), Clarke, and Prusi Clerk: Mark Brieve, 1005 Farnum Bldg. Phone: (517) 373-6920 ; 2. Write your senator to encourage their support and vote in favor of passage. Find your senator at MI Senate. There are also five (5) bills in the House and Senate to repeal or modify CEZ's in Michigan. A great site to see what legislation is pending is available at: MCPP Just search legislation for "PISTOL". |
I think what he is talking about is covered here. http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html BTW, I just wrote my Senator. |
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WANT SBR SBS? A brief review of SB 371 regarding short barreled rifles and shotguns has opened the door to reform of the SBR SBS statute. Call and write the sponsors of this bill and ask them to further amend SB371 to say (3) This section does not apply to the MAKING, sale, offering for sale, TRANSFER or possession of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun which the secretary of the treasury OR ATTORNEY GENERAL of the United States of America, or his or her delegate - HAS APPROVED, OR WHICH The above markup to the law would have the desired effect making it legal to make, own or possess any SBR SBS including C&R SBR SBS. Point is lets make it clear that SBR SBS would be legal as long as it has been approved by the proper federal authority. Further - clean up the statute which I like because it simplifies things by striking all the other uneeded crap specified below section 3. "under 26 USC, sections 5801 through 5872, or U.S.C. title 18, 18 USC, sections 921 through 928, has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece, or collector's item not likely to be used as a weapon" This way the law is simple easy - you can't own an SBR or SBS unless its been approved by the Secretary or or proper federal authority PERIOD. There is no need for the C&R only crap. Finally I'd like to see CLEO SHALL SIGN. www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2007-2008/billintroduced/Senate/htm/2007-SIB-0371.htm The Senate sponsors are Senators CROPSEY, RICHARDVILLE, SANBORN, PATTERSON, KUIPERS, KAHN, JELINEK, JANSEN and GILBERT and referred to the Committee on Judiciary |