Posted: 3/20/2007 5:02:11 PM EDT
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Ok guys, stay with me here, I'm young and dumb on this topic... I'm wanting to buy a 10.5" LMT upper so I'm interested in knowing about SBR regs in Mich. I understand I need to get some sort of NFA Tax Stamp. First, where can I find this form and has anyone had problems getting your LEO's to sign off for this? I'm in Ingham County FYI. So, what are the steps to getting this project done and where can I find the forms and other things? Thanks ahead of time, and sorry for the questions (im sure this has been covered before but couldnt find it) DK |
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No SBR SBS in Michigan period and I ain't tryin to bust your bubble either. There is explicit state law prohibiting them to all including properly licensed ffl's. The only exception is an SBR or SBS declared a curio and relic by the director of batfe. Of course we are trying to find some inroads around the issue. 750.224b Short-barreled shotgun or rifle; manufacture, sale, or possession as felony; penalty; exceptions; applicability of § 776.20. Sec. 224b. (1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle. (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both. (3) The provisions of this section shall not apply to the sale, offering for sale or possession of a short-barreled rifle or a short barreled shotgun which the secretary of the treasury of the United States of America, or his delegate, pursuant to U.S.C. title 26, section 5801 through 5872, or U.S.C. title 18, sections 921 through 928, has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece or collector’s item not likely to be used as a weapon, but only if the person selling, offering for sale or possessing the firearm has also fully complied with the provisions of sections 2 and 9 of Act No. 372 of the Public Acts of 1927, as amended, being sections 28.422 and 28.429 of the Michigan Compiled Laws. The provisions of section 20 of chapter 16 of Act No. 175 of the Public Acts of 1927, as added by Act No. 299 of the Public Acts of 1968, being section 776.20 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, are applicable to this subsection. History: Add. 1978, Act 564, Imd. Eff. Dec. 29, 1978. |
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You definitely can not build a SBR here in Michigan (I know, I know... It sucks. I say the same thing to myself every time I see someone else's rifle here on ARFCOM.), BUT, you can build an AR Pistol. I have done this and have a Bushmaster 11.5" upper on mine. Just order a new bare receiver from whichever company you like. Make sure the receiver has no stock on it and has never had one on it. Inform your FFL ahead of time that you want it sold to you as a stripped or bare receiver. Not as a rifle. From there, just as you would buy a pistol, get a permit (unless you have a cpl) and buy the receiver with that. Bring it down for a "safety inspection" (how that works on a bare piece of metal is beyond me.... and I asked the clerk about that too... she didn't know either.) Then you can run a buffer tube (no stock! period! )... anyway... if you have more questions, head over to the AR15 section and its under pistols here on ARFCOM. |
| So what is the correct order of events if you have a 29" AR15? DO you need to get the green card first? Is it a pistol first or a rifle first? I know it requires a green card and inspection, but when do you need the card? Before it is built or after you take possesion? |
In practice, before you get caught with it. By the letter of the law: At what point did it become a 29" AR15? ---------------------------------------------------------- From MCRGO FAQ: MCL 28.422 requires a person to return a portion of the pistol purchase license to the police within ten days after purchase. Also: Q: I recently purchased a handgun with my CCW permit. My question is how many days do I have to bring my new handgun to the proper authorities for a safety inspection from the purchase date? A: There is no time period specified in the statute. The “safety inspection” statute was seen as complementary to the “license to purchase” statute and that statute requires a person to return the completed license to the issuing agency within 10 days of the purchase. I think that the legislature envisioned the safety inspection being done at that time. Since you are exempt from the license to purchase requirements, there is no specified time for the safety inspection. The law would presume that you must do it within a “reasonable time”—whatever that is. I would suggest that you do it within ten days, but that is advice and not “law”. ! |
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Note to whom it may concern: Mich. law requires that anyone bringing a firearm into a police station must have it unloaded and in a case. (Pistols may even require a locked case, I forget right now. A briefcase with combo locks covers all the possibilities.) CPL licensees are not excepted from this requirement. I've heard some stories ..... OK, found it: +++++++++++++++ 28.429 Sec. 9. ..... (2) A person who presents a pistol for a safety inspection under subsection (1) shall ensure that the pistol is unloaded and that the pistol is equipped with a trigger lock or other disabling mechanism or encased when the pistol is presented for inspection. A person who violates this subsection is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be ordered to pay a civil fine of not more than $50.00 +++++++++++++++ Source: MCL I guess the 29" AR can be carried in with just a trigger lock, not even a case. That ought to be interesting ..... |
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No SBR's in MI? Damn... everyone else on this board must live in a free state... Ok... next question... wheres the nearest UHaul rental place... IM MOVING! LOL Off topic here... didnt Mike Cox do something recently... like make it possible to have machine guns in MI... but yet no SBRs???  WTFDK ETA: I'm done with my ranting... thanks to everyone who replied... it looks like you saved me no more than 5 years in prison. |
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The machine gun law and SBR laws are seperate laws. The MG law has a provision for owing MGs if licensed by ATF (form4). The word license was open to interpitation by the AG. Previous AG said no, Cox said yes. SBR law has no ATF license provision, it just says no. So, if you want a SBR type weapon, it has to be a MG or a pistol, only options currently. |
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Yeah - the best way to own an SBR AR15 equivalent would be to buy a registered m16 machine gun then you can buy all kinds of fun sized uppers to put on it and then you got the best of all worlds select fire! So a legal M16 will cost you from $8500.00 to the sky is the limit but on average 10-12K and it sure beats the hell out of NFA and State violations costing 10 years in club fed and or a $250,000.00 fine plus state fines and time if they really want to do you! |
Michigan Compiled Law (which is an actual law on the books) states that no Short barreled Rifles or Shotguns can be made, bought, sold, or possessed here in Michigan. AG Opinion is what controls Machine Guns and Silencers right now. Until there is a written MCL, an opinion is considered the "law of the land". |