Posted: 1/14/2007 8:33:29 PM EDT
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Give me a breif "rundown" on the class. What kind of shooting will be required? ie: x-shots @ x-yards What is the caliber requirements? I plan on owning a 9mm by them but wondering what is acceppted. Also if anybody has a 9mm (Glock or HK perferably or HK .45) for sale let me know. FTF in MI. Will consider others as well. thanks, Russian |
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The classes generally vary from instructor to instructor. All however are at least 8 hrs, covers basic gun safety and covers the legal aspects, and have a range portion. I was told the shooting requirement is 10(I think it was 10, not sure on the exact number) shots on a piece of 11.5 X 8" paper at 7 yards. Wouldn't worry about that too much. Most anyone should be able to hit that. The instructor I had said he and the other instructor will help out with people who can't hit it. There is no caliber requirment in michigan. You can test with a .22, pass, get your permit, then carry a .44 The class I took had .22s availible for those who didn't own handguns yet. Some instructors may require you to have a gun though, holster too maybe. |
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All range shooting varies per instructor and range limitations. Most shooting is done from 5 to 15 yards in various stances. We were told to bring 150 rounds to class and we shot them all. Usually it's guns on the table at indoor ranges while at some outdoor ranges you may be drawing from a holster and hitting knock down targets. I wouldnt recommend borrowing your mothers 22 as it is registered to her and she would need to be there with you for you to be able to use it. It's a handgun not a rifle only the registered owner can have it in their possession. You could get arrested for that and there goes your CPL. Last but not least you are applying for a license not committing a crime it's a CPL Concealed Pistols License not CCW which is the term for the crime of being caught Carring a Concealed Weapon coltsonly |
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Odds are you will do all of your shooting at 21 feet or less. The classes I have done had a fun shoot toward the end but the initial strings are at 7 and 21 feet. In order to get the most out of training you should use the gun you will carry. You also should use a proper holster and mag carrier(s). As coltsonly wrote, some instructors don't do a very thorough job with the shooting portion. This is unfortunate as most CPL students are new shooters. There's plenty of time after class to read the CPL law and reflect on the academic part of the class. Learning to drive the gun is something that needs to be done with a competent instructor/coach. The best classes I've seen were at outdoor ranges and required students to use all their gear. I've heard of indoor ranges that do this but it isn't common. Ask about this when interviewing potential instructors. The differences may surprise you. |
You sure? I have called the DNRs office asking the same question : "If I'm checking my trapline, can I take a pistol not registered in my name?" All answered "Yes as long as you have permission/its not stolen, your at least 18 and its not concealed." I even asked a field officer and got the same reply along with a few police. Has something changed recently or was I just misinformed many times? If your right.....its a good thing I never got caught   thanks to all for the info, was exactly what I was looking for Russian |
| I thought i read were the state recently passed a law saying that if they had permission and it was not reported stolen a different person could carry the weapn. I dont recall were i read this at but i thought the point of it was to allow a wife to carry her husbands gun if she needed and so on. |
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It used to be only the registered owner or they had to be present and you needed your green card. That part about with permission could get a little fuzzy. What type of permission would you need? a note? written by whom. A phone call? Whos on the other end. Sounds like a good way to loose your gun until they figure out who legally owns it. I believe the law was changed to allow your wife to use your gun if she had to fend off an attack while you were not home not to carry your weapon remember sometimes you can be charged for things other people do with your guns. As much as the laws are changed and amended I would recommend contacting the MI State Police firearms division or go to their web site and look at the laws for possesion and transportation of a hand gun not legally owned by you. You may be just fine with the green card along as the gun is locked and the ammo is seperate. It's up to you to know the law thats why half the class is book work and you get a copy of the firearm laws. Let us know what you find out. coltsonly |
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From MCRGO FAQ page: Q: A former student of mine recently contacted the Attorney General’s office to ask whether he and his wife (each has a valid CCW permit) could legally carry each other’s firearms. Could you please shed some light on this? This question has been asked and addressed on the MCRGO Forums web site but not by an attorney. Perhaps this would be a good question for the MCRGO newsletter. A: A: It depends on if the donee has a CPL. For many years loaning handguns was not permitted. Loans of handguns had to go through the same procedures as sales of handguns. In 2001 the law changed the definition of purchaser. It dropped the "furnish" or "loan" language. At that time many attorneys took the position that loaning handguns was now allowed. There still was some concern about the "safety inspection" statute, which is Michigan's version of registration. MCL 28.429 states, "A person within the state who owns or comes into possession of a pistol shall ... present the pistol for safety inspection." But in 2006, a new law was passed (2006 PA 75 eff. July 1, 2006; MCL §28.432) expressly stating that the purchase permit and safety inspection provisions do not apply if the donee has a CPL and the handgun is properly registered. So this new (and unnecessary) law muddies the issue enough that probably only this new law applies, not the previous position. So, after July 1, 2006, only a person with a CPL can borrow a handgun as long as it is properly registered. However: Q: I have been told that I cannot loan my pistol to another person. I cannot even hand it to my wife when we are at the range together for her to try it. Is that true? A: Effective July 1, 2006, Public Act 75 adds additional information about loaning a pistol to another person. There is no law against loaning a pistol. The law (MCL 28.421) was amended four years ago to take out the prohibition on loaning a pistol. While MCL 28.429 states that a person who "comes into possession" of a pistol must present it for safety inspection, no time period is stated in which the inspection must be performed. A person could present it within one day or one year. During that period the person can legally posses the pistol without the green card. In civil law, when no time is stated, a "reasonable time" is presumed. The rule is different for criminal law. In any event the time for presenting the gun for safety inspection is longer than a day at the range or a trip to a shooting meet. MCL 28.422 requires a person to return a portion of the pistol purchase license to the police within ten days after purchase. This is when the safety inspection is performed in a purchase situation. There is no corresponding provision for a person who "comes into possession" of a pistol by loan. Sometimes I tell people, who plan to have their spouse's pistol for an extended length of time, to present the pistol for safety inspection. There is nothing in the law that states that more than one person cannot have the pistol safety inspected. In every instance, the person reported back to me that the police refused to inspect the pistol unless there was a sale or transfer of ownership. I simply told them to make a record of their attempt. The record would be good to have if the issue ever arises. |
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I think what you missed on mcl28.429 is the fact that you need the green card (without holding a cpl) before you can come into possesion of a hand gun. And that green card is only good for 10 days from issue. You just cant carry someone elses registered handgun around unless you have a cpl or your copies of the green cards you are doing the transfer on. If you could loan or pass handguns around there would be no need for registration at all. They would just be treated as rifles. Thats why the guy at the gun store dosen't loan you a handgun to go try out or you cant borrow one at a gun show to try. You need the paper work for possesion. With a cpl you still have to use the proper form for transfer. Your not just handing a cpl holder a gun and telling him to have it inspected when he gets around to it. There is a form that needs to be filled out before transfer then turned in at the safety inspection. coltsonly |