Posted: 3/19/2012 12:40:27 PM EDT
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Looking for someone who might have been through this type of thing before
Background: We have lived in our home for about 12 years now on a corner lot and the house behind us up til 3 years ago had a old gentleman that we got along with well and we had both discussed where the property line was and let it be at that, I mowed both of our yards and we got along fine. He died and the house sold some months later and the new group abliet shitbirds asked where to mow to and I told them where the old man had told me the line was, well all went well with them til they lost the house in foreclosure. I have never had survey pins as I have really never had the need, that is up until now. That brings us to current day: The bunch that lives there now have been troublesome from the start. A week after they first moved in they cut a ton of limbs and they all ended up piled in a pile in my backyard, I though no biggie I moved them and went on. The husband asked my wife last year where the line was and she told him where it was based on past knowledge. Well he continues to ignore, not care, or whatever and he is mowing 3-4 mower widths into our yard blowing all the cuttings, paper, trash, and anything he is too lazy to pick up into our yard. We went home at lunch today to find the above once again has happened and he was still outside so I walked over and politely asked if he wouldn't mind staying on his own property when he mows. He looks at me like I am a bug and says I didn't know, really you can't look down and see where my cut line stops since you only care to mow every 3 weeks? Wife and I discuss and the only solution to this would be to put up a fence, but this is where this takes an interesting turn. I called the city about permitting and requirements and was looking at the lines on the tax map, half of his driveway is on my property. The line actually runs farther back than i thought. I am going to have it surveyed by a surveyor asap but what the hell do I do if the map turns out to be correct and his drive is on my property? I know canned answer will probably be get a lawyer but geez I don't want this to cost a small fortune but I am tired of this and don't want it to become an issue if we sell the place in a few years like we would like to. 
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My uncle went through the almost the exact same thing, except when they moved in they just went ahead and put the driveway on his property. He consulted a lawyer, the lawyer drew something up that basically said whoever was in the wrong had to pay the survey fees. After it was found they were in the wrong he filed something to make them move the driveway. Since they drug their feet and made that more of a hassle than it should have been, the lawyer got hot and bothered so he sued them for all of my uncles legal fees as well. In the end it ended up costing my uncle nothing. This all happened in Pennsylvania where I grew up so Tennessee may have slightly different laws, but in the end they ended up paying the surveyor, the legal fees, and the cost of removing the driveway they put in as well as reseeding the area to take it back to the state it was in before the whole mess started.
The funny thing is, my uncle said all along if they had just had the decency to ask him before they did it all, he would have gladly had a right of way written into his deed since the spot they put the drive way was the easiest place to put one. Where they ended up putting it when it was all over with required about 40 triaxle dump truck loads of rock to get across a gulley as well as a bunch of culvert pipe, and ended up with a drive way that was almost too steep to use in the PA winters. |
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Surveyor first! You won't be able to block his driveway since it has been in use openly for so long. Could he make the guy buy part of his land? No sense in making the next person buy property they can't use? Kinda what I am leaning to, the whole basis of this is the fact the guy has no respect for anybody else. I would be happy to realign the lines down the edge of the drive and call it even but I am concerned that I can't even have a rational conversation with this guy. He is trying to play dumb like he just dosen't know or understand when I think it really is don't want or care to understand. Funding for a fence isn't really all that bad but getting a lawyer involved would be. and I don't want this to become an issue down the road. MY wife has an uncle that is surveyor that will likely not charge to do a survey. I have already pulled the deed and tax maps, and zoning maps this afternoon. It looks like the last time it was physically surveyed was in April 1987. |
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Surveyor first! You won't be able to block his driveway since it has been in use openly for so long. Could he make the guy buy part of his land? No sense in making the next person buy property they can't use? If the driveway has been there since 1987 or longer you don't have a snowball's chance. Actually they could sue to take away the property under the driveway claiming adverse possession. Find the line and put the fence as close to the edge or the driveway as possible. |
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Give him 2 choice 1. Tell him to buy it. 2. He can pay all legal fees and buy the land if it goes to court I bet he takes door number 1. My neighbor just went thru this. His pond was on someone else's property. He lost. He had to fill part of the pond and pay legal fees. |
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Get survey. Give him 2 choice 1. Tell him to buy it. 2. He can pay all legal fees and buy the land if it goes to court I bet he takes door number 1. My neighbor just went thru this. His pond was on someone else's property. He lost. He had to fill part of the pond and pay legal fees. A pond is a little different from a means of accessing the property (driveway) that has been used without objection for a number of years. |
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Get survey. Give him 2 choice 1. Tell him to buy it. 2. He can pay all legal fees and buy the land if it goes to court I bet he takes door number 1. My neighbor just went thru this. His pond was on someone else's property. He lost. He had to fill part of the pond and pay legal fees. A pond is a little different from a means of accessing the property (driveway) that has been used without objection for a number of years. It hasn't been of objection because I as under the understanding that the drive was on that property and not mine. After coming home I looked again and it looks like all of the dive is probably on me. I would likely be willing to concede the drive and put a new line down the edge of the drive if he so chooses but I am afraid he will not be willing to accept any compromise here. |
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Get survey. Give him 2 choice 1. Tell him to buy it. 2. He can pay all legal fees and buy the land if it goes to court I bet he takes door number 1. My neighbor just went thru this. His pond was on someone else's property. He lost. He had to fill part of the pond and pay legal fees. A pond is a little different from a means of accessing the property (driveway) that has been used without objection for a number of years. It hasn't been of objection because I as under the understanding that the drive was on that property and not mine. After coming home I looked again and it looks like all of the dive is probably on me. I would likely be willing to concede the drive and put a new line down the edge of the drive if he so chooses but I am afraid he will not be willing to accept any compromise here. I'm no lawyer, but it's my understanding that the driveway having been used for so long, with no objection from you (reasons probably don't matter), means you can't block the driveway or order them to move it off your property. It might mean nothing in terms of changing the property line. Many years ago, I was told that Metro/Davidson county would not change where the property line was, just because some previous owner moved a fence, decades ago (an issue my father had, and discovered the five acres on the other side of the fence was his). I was also told that some other counties would consider the fence existing for a number of years, with no objections from either party, to be a legal change in the location of the property line. Might not prevent any troubles when you decide to sell, but why not just put the fence where you thought the property line was? If the survey confirms that the driveway is completely on your property, then you would simply be putting a fence across your property. |
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Don't even look at tax maps. They aren't even close to accurate. Get the survey and go from there. Yep. Survey first. Metro's maps show the corner of my house being on the other side of the property line, and my sister's house being completely on my other sister's property (though that one gets back to the issue where my father found out the five acres on the other side of the fence was his, so a survey just might confirm the house is on the wrong side of the line).. ETA: It looks like they used aerial photomaps to decide where to show the buildings on their maps that show the property lines (parcel maps?), and 20 or 30 years ago the neighbor moved the fence a few feet in this direction, when he replaced the old rusty wire and rotten posts. It was the same guy who had the five acres that my father found out he owned (different fence, on the other side of the road), and my father didn't want to argue about him moving the fence a few feet (guy seemed to have a habit of moving fences a few feet, every time the posts rotted). So the fencerows on the aerial photomaps are all screwed up. |
| We are trying to get a hold of her uncle to come survey asap. SO if the drive turns out to be on me and the pins get set you guys think I would be in the good if I were to set the fence on my side of the drive and leave the drive on him and go with it? What do I do in the event that he is not agreeable with this idea? Tough cookies? I usually can ask Dad for assistance on things I haven't dealt with but on this one he shrugged and said you got me. When I do put one up the good side is going to face me I do believe. |
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Don't even look at tax maps. They aren't even close to accurate. Get the survey and go from there. I really don't put a ton of stock in them other than it is the same on 3 versions from different sources I have found. Any idea what a survey might cost if her uncle is unable to do it? 300-350ish? Lot is approx 80x200 as i recall |
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We are trying to get a hold of her uncle to come survey asap. SO if the drive turns out to be on me and the pins get set you guys think I would be in the good if I were to set the fence on my side of the drive and leave the drive on him and go with it? What do I do in the event that he is not agreeable with this idea? Tough cookies? I usually can ask Dad for assistance on things I haven't dealt with but on this one he shrugged and said you got me. When I do put one up the good side is going to face me I do believe. Unless there's some codes, or home owner's association rules, restricting what you can do about putting a fence across your own property, what can the other guy do? If the drive is completely on your property, you will have to tell the buyer that, when you sell the property. I think that's probably your main problem, if the survey shows the drive is on your property, and you put up a fence on the line that you had previously thought was the property line. |
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No how or other restrictions, checked with building dept earlier, all I have to do is fill out the permit and submit no fee charged. I didn't think there would be anything he could do but with the way this guy acted today there is no telling. Keep us posted please. I really just want to see how this plays out now. |
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Don't even look at tax maps. They aren't even close to accurate. Get the survey and go from there. I really don't put a ton of stock in them other than it is the same on 3 versions from different sources I have found. Any idea what a survey might cost if her uncle is unable to do it? 300-350ish? Lot is approx 80x200 as i recall That should be a pretty simple survey. It will be a little more expensive than one with pins, if your pins are not there. Call around and ask to get a price. I would also advise to not use the uncle. It sounds as if there could be some legal trouble on down the road with your neighbor and you want to avoid any conflict of interest with the surveyor. Get the uncle to recommend someone. He will know who. |
| I will defiantly keep you guys posted as to how this all plays out. Rebel my wife and I actually talked about the conflict of interest thing last nigh and I am working on finding someone to do it other than him. We have not been able to get in contact with yet anyway. |
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Check this link out... it wont give you a definite answer, but it is TN GIS's drawing of property maps. If you know the dimensions of your lot (should be on the deed) you can compare it to the lot next to you, and see if the back of your property actually lines up, or extends past, as your research tends to show...
It zooms in, just click on your county, then keep zooming in, just like Google Maps... TN GIS Best of luck! |
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Check this link out... it wont give you a definite answer, but it is TN GIS's drawing of property maps. If you know the dimensions of your lot (should be on the deed) you can compare it to the lot next to you, and see if the back of your property actually lines up, or extends past, as your research tends to show... It zooms in, just click on your county, then keep zooming in, just like Google Maps... TN GIS Best of luck! This is the link that I got the map that I scanned in above. On another note I did finally speak to s surveyor this morning and he said he will start the process tomorrow and pull deeds for mine and all the properties around me and see how straightforward this is going to be. If it turns out pretty simple he says he can likely survey in Wed or Thurs of next week. |
| I don't know if this has been posted yet, but if a neighbor has had full use of a piece of your property for 7 yrs as if it was only his, it's considered his legally after that point in time. If that driveway has been there for 7 yrs, I think you're stuck. Don't count on the online property line to be accurate either. Mine is off by 6' online. We learned where the property line is when it was surveyed by a utility company. The pin was buried. |
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but if a neighbor has had full use of a piece of your property for 7 yrs as if it was only his, it's considered his legally after that point in time. If that driveway has been there for 7 yrs, I think you're stuck. Don't count on the online property line to be accurate either. Mine is off by 6' online. We learned where the property line is when it was surveyed by a utility company. The pin was buried. That is not true in Davidson County. My father argued with metro over it, insisting that what he had bought was bounded by the fence, and the five acres on the other side of the fence must have been sold off before he bought the land. The neighbor has had the five acres fenced and using it as his own, since before my father bought the land (50 to 60 years ago). The neighbor died and willed the land to his daughter and son-in-law, and they are still using that 5 acres. My father sold some acreage to my sister, and that five acres got included in it. This mess was discovered in the 1970's, and my father just wanted to get metro straight on where the property line was, so they would quit charging him property taxes on it. The neighbor doesn't care, since they've got the land fenced and consider it their's, and they apparently don't mind that my sister is now getting the tax bill for that five acres. ETA: Metro's property records show the neighbor's land that adjoins that five acres, as belonging to the father of the guy that owned it when my father bought his land. That family has been willing property to their heirs for a few generations, and never changing the county property records, which just complicates the whole mess even more. Around 30 years ago, my father was on the business board at his church, and the church received a letter from the owner of the neighboring property, claiming that since they had put up a fence at the back of their property and used that land for a number of years (probably 7), they were now claiming legal ownership of that property (something like a half acre of the church's property). They asked a church member who was a lawyer, and his response was along the lines of "that's true in some counties, but not Davidson County". The judge ordered the neighbor to move the fence and stop using the church's land. (ETA: This was after the neighbor had cleared the brush and mowed it for several years, so the church got it cleared for free.) Moving a property line, and moving a driveway (an access to a property), are two different legal matters. I doubt there is any way to force the neighbor to move their driveway, after having used it for so long, but ownership of the strip of property that the driveway is on, would depend on how that county handles such matters. |
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but if a neighbor has had full use of a piece of your property for 7 yrs as if it was only his, it's considered his legally after that point in time. If that driveway has been there for 7 yrs, I think you're stuck. Don't count on the online property line to be accurate either. Mine is off by 6' online. We learned where the property line is when it was surveyed by a utility company. The pin was buried. That is not true in Davidson County. My father argued with metro over it, insisting that what he had bought was bounded by the fence, and the five acres on the other side of the fence must have been sold off before he bought the land. The neighbor has had the five acres fenced and using it as his own, since before my father bought the land (50 to 60 years ago). The neighbor died and willed the land to his daughter and son-in-law, and they are still using that 5 acres. My father sold some acreage to my sister, and that five acres got included in it. This mess was discovered in the 1970's, and my father just wanted to get metro straight on where the property line was, so they would quit charging him property taxes on it. The neighbor doesn't care, since they've got the land fenced and consider it their's, and they apparently don't mind that my sister is now getting the tax bill for that five acres. ETA: Metro's property records show the neighbor's land that adjoins that five acres, as belonging to the father of the guy that owned it when my father bought his land. That family has been willing property to their heirs for a few generations, and never changing the county property records, which just complicates the whole mess even more. Around 30 years ago, my father was on the business board at his church, and the church received a letter from the owner of the neighboring property, claiming that since they had put up a fence at the back of their property and used that land for a number of years (probably 7), they were now claiming legal ownership of that property (something like a half acre of the church's property). They asked a church member who was a lawyer, and his response was along the lines of "that's true in some counties, but not Davidson County". The judge ordered the neighbor to move the fence and stop using the church's land. (ETA: This was after the neighbor had cleared the brush and mowed it for several years, so the church got it cleared for free.) Moving a property line, and moving a driveway (an access to a property), are two different legal matters. I doubt there is any way to force the neighbor to move their driveway, after having used it for so long, but ownership of the strip of property that the driveway is on, would depend on how that county handles such matters. The tax, records, mapping people don't control anything. They messed up some lines on a large tract I broke up and sold. I took a map down and they fired up the computers and changed it while I watched. GIS measures 4.75 ac on a tract over and over. Metro had it recorded as 4.75 ac Surveyor said it's 5 ac. Metro changed their map w/o any hassle. ( It may be 4.75 ac but that'd be an illegal subdivision) 5 ac is not and that's what the surveyor says so I'm good 
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Just a small update.
We have been really busy since the end of last week, we had all new carpet layer in the house and had a decent sized yard sale Saturday. The Saturday yard sale is the source of the update. I told my wife midweek that the neighbors would call the police on us before 9a on the morning of the yard sale and I tried to get her to make a wager on it (wink wink) but alas she wouldn't. Well come Saturday sure enough about 7:45 I see a patrol car make the block. It then pulls up next door and I see her talking to him and he come walking my way. So I meet him at the sidewalk and he was already shaking his head muttering about how this was bullshit. Apparently she thought somebody had parked on the street in front of the house at some point in the morning. He told us to keep doing what we were doing and just ignore the bunch next door. On a different note the surveyor should be here tomorrow or Thursday hopefully. The only problem with that is he said that sometimes in these situations he has to end up surveying more that just my lot and several of the lots around me to make it all reconcile and this would cause the price of the survey to go up. He said if that was going to be the case that he would call me and talk with me before he got too deep into the mess. He hasn't called me as of yet today so hopefully it is going to be straightforward as far as that goes. As far as the driveway goes, it is a second mainly unused driveway. They have a main drive on the other side of the house that has the carpet/garage on it. This drive in question is seldom used. This bunch that lives there now has only been there less than a year so I won't say that it has been used uncontested for very long. |
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Just a small update. We have been really busy since the end of last week, we had all new carpet layer in the house and had a decent sized yard sale Saturday. The Saturday yard sale is the source of the update. I told my wife midweek that the neighbors would call the police on us before 9a on the morning of the yard sale and I tried to get her to make a wager on it (wink wink) but alas she wouldn't. Well come Saturday sure enough about 7:45 I see a patrol car make the block. It then pulls up next door and I see her talking to him and he come walking my way. So I meet him at the sidewalk and he was already shaking his head muttering about how this was bullshit. Apparently she thought somebody had parked on the street in front of the house at some point in the morning. He told us to keep doing what we were doing and just ignore the bunch next door. On a different note the surveyor should be here tomorrow or Thursday hopefully. The only problem with that is he said that sometimes in these situations he has to end up surveying more that just my lot and several of the lots around me to make it all reconcile and this would cause the price of the survey to go up. He said if that was going to be the case that he would call me and talk with me before he got too deep into the mess. He hasn't called me as of yet today so hopefully it is going to be straightforward as far as that goes. As far as the driveway goes, it is a second mainly unused driveway. They have a main drive on the other side of the house that has the carpet/garage on it. This drive in question is seldom used. This bunch that lives there now has only been there less than a year so I won't say that it has been used uncontested for very long. How long was it there before them? I don't know if it matters or not but all in all, how long has the driveway been there? |
| I am not really sure how long its been here. The older guy that lived there when we moved in has since died and I am not sure if the family will have any idea when he put to in. At this point I think I would be perfectly happy calling the new line right down the edge if the driveway and calling it good, but I am not sure how this fella if going to react to that. |
Tell them it wasn't uncontested. You and the older gentleman had an agreement. You mowed his lawn for him so you could put YOUR driveway at the back of your property. Now you want to fence YOUR driveway in. THEIR driveway is on the other side.
I have a property dispute myself but instead of hijacking yours I'll start a new. |
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Tell them it wasn't uncontested. You and the older gentleman had an agreement. You mowed his lawn for him so you could put YOUR driveway at the back of your property. Now you want to fence YOUR driveway in. THEIR driveway is on the other side.
I have a property dispute myself but instead of hijacking yours I'll start a new. That is actually close to what happened, I did mow his yard for free for 7 years. |
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Well I finally had the lot surveyed. The line ended up being where I originally thought it was (the dotted line I marked on the previous map) and it didn't include the driveway that it looked like it might according to the maps. The surveyor was able to find the original buried pins and uncover them. I mowed our yard later that night and the neighbor made a ig show out of walking into the street with a camera and taking pictures down the line and then going to the rear of the property and doing the same, I laughed and just mowed on.
I applied for the fence permit last Friday and received approval that afternoon. I bought most of the lumber today other than the pickets. I have to work a 24 hr shift tomorrow but come about 8:15 Wed morning posts will be going into the ground, with a full bag of fast setting quickreet each. I guess we will see where the story goes from here. I would imagine he will call the city or pd at some point during the building. Stay tuned will update further progress, |
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Well I finally had the lot surveyed. The line ended up being where I originally thought it was (the dotted line I marked on the previous map) and it didn't include the driveway that it looked like it might according to the maps. The surveyor was able to find the original buried pins and uncover them. I mowed our yard later that night and the neighbor made a ig show out of walking into the street with a camera and taking pictures down the line and then going to the rear of the property and doing the same, I laughed and just mowed on. I applied for the fence permit last Friday and received approval that afternoon. I bought most of the lumber today other than the pickets. I have to work a 24 hr shift tomorrow but come about 8:15 Wed morning posts will be going into the ground, with a full bag of fast setting quickreet each. I guess we will see where the story goes from here. I would imagine he will call the city or pd at some point during the building. Stay tuned will update further progress, This is a tag |
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Sounds like you have some real shitbird neighbors, that being said...property line disputes are never enjoyable. Yeah they really are, but, we are having some fun with it. We can't go outside without them either sitting in the window or coming outside to watch us. I am finding all kinds of things to do in the back yard all of a sudden. |
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Sounds like you have some real shitbird neighbors, that being said...property line disputes are never enjoyable. Yeah they really are, but, we are having some fun with it. We can't go outside without them either sitting in the window or coming outside to watch us. I am finding all kinds of things to do in the back yard all of a sudden. Yeah I know how that one goes too. Had a similar thing in FL where the neighbor didn't like me shooting an airsoft gun completely within the confines of my own backyard........so guess what I did EVERY SINGLE DAY when I got home from work? Fuck after about 4 days I didn't even WANT to shoot it most of the time but by God that guy was such a dickhead that became my purpose in life for about 3 weeks. Gave me some direction! lol |
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I originally put up a cypress fence. Wood was not allowed in my neighborhood and I had to get special permission. They told me have a pro do it and use cypress. Wound up with 487' of fence for back lawn. 6' off back property line, 24' off one side property line and 18' off the other. I did this to make sure no violations and I had PLENTY of room to ride my mower on the outside of my fence.
Well the guy on the 18' side thinks his property line is over farther. This is a brand new neighborhood and he even planted a tree on my property. My HVAC unit is on that side of the house and here we have to have so many feet of easement from the concrete pad the unit sits on. This idiot comes so far onto my property he HIT my unit and did $1200 worth of damage and we lost AC in the middle of July '11. You TN guys remember how hot last July was? The unit was 9' inside of the fence line so he would ride my fence letting his mower deck gouge into the fence and when the fence stopped and 90'd to the back corner of my house, he would come in another 9' and HIT my unit. Three sections of that fence fell. I tear that fence down and put the required black ornamental fence up. Checked with the county and they told me 3" inside the property line. I dug up his tree and dragged it over to his house. He STILL gets very close to my fence and then swings 27' into my property. I'm like WTF! I put a fence up for a reason. I haven't gotten in his face in a long time since we turned this over to our attorney just so I don't get viewed the "bad guy." I'd like him to pay the $1200 HVAC bill, $235 for when his wife mowed down our mailbox, my old riding mower and I forgot the cost of the window his kid hit the ball thru. When they first built that house he didn't have a mower. Came over and asked if he could borrow mine. I said sure. Next thing I know there's a knock on the door and he asks me if I've ever had trouble with the front wheels falling off. This guy worked for my Dad's company when he was in college and I was 10 or 12. He has a decent job and his wife is an anesthesiologist. It's not like these people are trash. For the life of me though I can't figure out why someone would think like they do. |
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You may look at marking the line with some metal posts and setting your wood fence back a little bit. If it's on the property line I think he can do whatever he wants(paint etc) to the side that is on his property line. The original stakes are in the ground. I actually did exactly what you suggested and set it four inches ff the line to prevent exactly what you mentioned. I got all of the posts set his afternoon, hopefully tomorrow t won't rain and I will be able to get the 2x4 run. Hawk eye over there hasn't gotten too far out of sigh today whie I worked. |
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You may look at marking the line with some metal posts and setting your wood fence back a little bit. If it's on the property line I think he can do whatever he wants(paint etc) to the side that is on his property line. The original stakes are in the ground. I actually did exactly what you suggested and set it four inches ff the line to prevent exactly what you mentioned. I got all of the posts set his afternoon, hopefully tomorrow t won't rain and I will be able to get the 2x4 run. Hawk eye over there hasn't gotten too far out of sigh today whie I worked. You should back it up a little more. How can you weedeat the perimeter w/o trespassing on your neighbor? |
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You may look at marking the line with some metal posts and setting your wood fence back a little bit. If it's on the property line I think he can do whatever he wants(paint etc) to the side that is on his property line. The original stakes are in the ground. I actually did exactly what you suggested and set it four inches ff the line to prevent exactly what you mentioned. I got all of the posts set his afternoon, hopefully tomorrow t won't rain and I will be able to get the 2x4 run. Hawk eye over there hasn't gotten too far out of sigh today whie I worked. You should back it up a little more. How can you weedeat the perimeter w/o trespassing on your neighbor? Plant Roundup on that 4" stretch. Whether you have a neighbor dispute or not, weedeating two sides of fence gets old QUICK. The more fence you have, the quicker it gets old. LOL! Brad |
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When surveyors talk about having to survey other properties to find yours, that means they just have to find the pins usually in the front yard. They will need to find a benchmark, usually indicated by a "bm" on your neighborhood plat somewhere near a street corner or maybe even at the neighborhood front.
Then they will find the pins from the benchmark to the corner of your property and then will survey your land from there. If you're lucky and have a benchmark nearby, it won't cost nearly as much. Sometimes you can find the pins yourself using a little geometry and a well marked plat. But in property disputes its always best to have that survey and seal saying everything is right. |
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You may look at marking the line with some metal posts and setting your wood fence back a little bit. If it's on the property line I think he can do whatever he wants(paint etc) to the side that is on his property line. The original stakes are in the ground. I actually did exactly what you suggested and set it four inches ff the line to prevent exactly what you mentioned. I got all of the posts set his afternoon, hopefully tomorrow t won't rain and I will be able to get the 2x4 run. Hawk eye over there hasn't gotten too far out of sigh today whie I worked. You should back it up a little more. How can you weedeat the perimeter w/o trespassing on your neighbor? Plant Roundup on that 4" stretch. Whether you have a neighbor dispute or not, weedeating two sides of fence gets old QUICK. The more fence you have, the quicker it gets old. LOL! Chemical weed eating is exactly what I do in my own yard. To be honest I could care less if the grass gets three feet tall on that side, he is going to pile grass against that side by blowing it all over it anyway. I actually left spacing at the bottom to get the weed eater line under it. I was able finish it all up today. It only runs about halfway down the line back to front but it should be enough for him to get the hint. His wife spent the day sitting in the window watching us work but eh who cares. I did have to go out this afternoon and pick up trash he chopped up and blew in the yard this afternoon , I guess there is not much else that I can do besides just pick it up and go on, blowing it ack on him would be stooping to his level. Brad |