Posted: 10/15/2009 6:30:23 AM EDT
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Im finally in a position to get my CCW here and would like recommendations. I think all classes have to cover some basic material and Im looking for one that goes well beyond the basic. Im esp interested in a class which covers TN law. Oh, Im in lower E TN but would travel as far N as K'ville and to Chatt. only if I have to. I know Fugate's teaches a class and have heard its popular but don't know any details. The All American shop in Athens also has a class but Ive heard nothing about that.
As for state reqs I need some class time + a qual shoot. Then all my paperwork goes to the DMV and I wait some number of months. Do I have that correct? |
| If they haven't changed things, the first step is the Handgun Carry Permit class (mostly class time on regs/laws, with basic safety and handling, then range qualification); then take the paperwork from the class to the Department of Safety to fill out more paperwork, pay the application fee, be photographed, and make an appointment to be fingerprinted; go to wherever they decide to send you to be fingerprinted; then wait. |
| OK, I had talked w/ someone who recently took a class and he said no time was spent on law. Thats why I asked about classes that did. When I got my CCW in NH our class covered a wide range of related subjects (law, holsters etc) and was completely worth the $25 charged. BTW NH doesn't require classes, prints etc. You just fill out a simple form and the LE agency handling the request must give an answer in 5 business days. Frankly the finger print reqs are stupid...did that in WA state too. At least WA got on the stick and had me a permit in about a week. I get the feeling TN isn't in any hurry. Hope now that the TN house has changed hands much of this red tape will change to make getting a permit sane. |
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While the fingerprint process is tiresome, it is my understanding that they did that for two reasons:
1) Prevent Billy-bob from taking the class & test & then Billy-Joe going & getting the HCP. 2) Checks for escapees or warrants via NICS. There was a bit of a scandal a while back when Ch. 5 discovered FELONS had gotten their HCP from the fine, professional folks at the Dept. Safety. 
Since we've now dropped the thumbprint requirement for purchasing, perhaps we can now look at dropping it for a permit? 
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Contact Buford Toone at APPS (Academy of Personal Protective Services). They have a website. If you can't find their E-mail addy from there, IM me and I'll get it to you.
Buford is a retired Metro Nashville cop, and does a very good job at covering legal issues. He also does/did advanced (tactical handgun) classes that involve shooting on the move, failure to function drills. night firing, multiple bad guys, timed drills, and lots of other fun stuff. Hope this helps. MIKE |
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Im finally in a position to get my CCW here and would like recommendations. I think all classes have to cover some basic material and Im looking for one that goes well beyond the basic. Im esp interested in a class which covers TN law. Oh, Im in lower E TN but would travel as far N as K'ville and to Chatt. only if I have to. I know Fugate's teaches a class and have heard its popular but don't know any details. The All American shop in Athens also has a class but Ive heard nothing about that. As for state reqs I need some class time + a qual shoot. Then all my paperwork goes to the DMV and I wait some number of months. Do I have that correct? I have taken the class twice once for my permit and another to get my wife to go (I didnt take the test or anything because I already had mine.) I took mine at sportsmans warehouse on hixson pike in Hixson, TN. The teacher was a swat team member and a cool guy. He went over flashlights, holsters, different ways to draw. I thought he did an excellent job. Fugates, there is Mr fugate, and Mrs. Fugate. We took Mrs. Fugate because she was the one we had. They were nice also, she was very quick and didnt cover much outside what she was supposed to teach. My buddy took Mr. Fugate and said it was all different, Mr fugate went over different stuff, passed around expanded bullets and all. Sportsmans was air conditioned. Fugates, if you go in the winter, wear a jacket! It gets cold! My other buddy took Mrs. Fugate and liked her well. Thats all I know about this area (I live here.) , never heard much about anywhere else. Good luck and have fun! |
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While the fingerprint process is tiresome, it is my understanding that they did that for two reasons: 1) Prevent Billy-bob from taking the class & test & then Billy-Joe going & getting the HCP. 2) Checks for escapees or warrants via NICS. There was a bit of a scandal a while back when Ch. 5 discovered FELONS had gotten their HCP from the fine, professional folks at the Dept. Safety.
Since we've now dropped the thumbprint requirement for purchasing, perhaps we can now look at dropping it for a permit? Seems if LE was doing their job properly prints wouldnt need to be taken...but I think Ill stop flogging that dead horse. re thumprint...LOL!!!! I did that when I picked up a HG. What a hoot...the guy at the store flops an ink pad and piece of paper in front of me and says' I need a thumb print.' Im thinking OK...so exactly what is this for? I asked some questions about how I should do this and what was actually wanted and what would be acceptable. Turns out self done prints are WORTHLESS. I dont think what I gave could be used for anything as it was all smudgy and what not. He seemed quite happy though and the transaction was completed promptly. So often our society has traded feeling for being. Feel good laws that are totally ineffective for true security. Its delusional at best. |
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The state gives us some basic guidelines on what we have to teach.
Some things we have to do. Some things we can do. Some things we can't do. The classes vary greatly in quality. Just depends on who you get... Do some research. At a minimum talk to some one who has taken the class you are interested in. Keep in mind that this may be the only training the person you asked has ever had. So if they say "this was the best class I ever took!" That may not have much meaning... Aaron |
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Im finally in a position to get my CCW here and would like recommendations. I think all classes have to cover some basic material and Im looking for one that goes well beyond the basic. Im esp interested in a class which covers TN law. Oh, Im in lower E TN but would travel as far N as K'ville and to Chatt. only if I have to. I know Fugate's teaches a class and have heard its popular but don't know any details. The All American shop in Athens also has a class but Ive heard nothing about that. As for state reqs I need some class time + a qual shoot. Then all my paperwork goes to the DMV and I wait some number of months. Do I have that correct? Take a class from a licensed instructor, take the completion form to a finger printing station (UPS Store in my case). Take their receipt, some $$, and the course completion form to the Department of Safety (or DMV), fill out their form, get your picture made, and wait up to 90 days for the permit to come in the mail. As for training, check out http://tngunshop.com/training.htm. Located in Oak Ridge, I believe. I remember their site being different a while ago, describing a class with NRA pistol + THCP course. I may be pulling that out of thin air though. I know people who have attended several different classes, and all of us agree that the legalities were covered, but "Just enough". I think doing some googling, and searching the sites in the tacked TN info thread will be the way to learn the most quickly. Also, if you want some good advice concerning the legal aspects if you ever do have to use your gun, Google up some articles/videos from Massad Ayoob or Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch). Hope this helps you out and gives you some ideas :) |
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I didnt know Sportmans did a class. That sounds pretty good really. When you say Hixson is that the store right off TN153? What was the cost and did he go over law well? Ok its not the big corporate Sportsmans. Its crazy because there is a little shop Sportsmans. Actually on Hixson pike. NOT the one on LEE highway. i was like $75 when I did it 2 years ago. Probably $90 by now. A lady I work with paid for her son to go and he enjoyed it too. I dont care for the owner and there are others on here who doesnt like the crazy mean old guy ( OK, he is in his 50's give or take [but nobody I know likes him one bit]) His dad was ironically a world famous shotgunner back in the day. I think the teacher I had was Mr. Haskins? I dont remember exactly. He is a sniper for the local SWAT team. They all show a little video. Sportsmans was a little better I thought about the law part. Basically the law states the guy has to be coming at you with a weapon that you believe he can cause serious bodily harm. He has to point a gun at you or be coming at you with a knife. They go over it more thoroughly in class. I would assume all classes are the same unless you want to pay a bunch of money to be trained at some school. I think there is one somewhere around here in Chattanooga. I saw it in Blue Press once about a year ago
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Basically the law states the guy has to be coming at you with a weapon that you believe he can cause serious bodily harm. He has to point a gun at you or be coming at you with a knife. A fist can be considered to be a weapon. Many assaults on women have been carried out without any other weapons being involved. When I was in physical therapy, there were times an unarmed but determined 10 year old could have put me on the floor and had me screaming in pain. To legally use their handgun, the permit holder has to be in a situation where a reasonable person would consider them to be in danger of death or serious bodily injury from the person they are defending against. The attacker having a knife or gun makes this easier for a 'reasonable person' to evaluate the threat, but the knife or gun are not absolutely required. |
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Basically the law states the guy has to be coming at you with a weapon that you believe he can cause serious bodily harm. He has to point a gun at you or be coming at you with a knife. A fist can be considered to be a weapon. Many assaults on women have been carried out without any other weapons being involved. When I was in physical therapy, there were times an unarmed but determined 10 year old could have put me on the floor and had me screaming in pain. To legally use their handgun, the permit holder has to be in a situation where a reasonable person would consider them to be in danger of death or serious bodily injury from the person they are defending against. The attacker having a knife or gun makes this easier for a 'reasonable person' to evaluate the threat, but the knife or gun are not absolutely required. +1 Disparity of size, age, or numbers of the attacker and victim could warrant use of deadly force. |