Posted: 8/9/2012 6:03:24 PM EDT
I watched a woman use her Oregon Trail Card at 7-11 to buy an ice-cream sandwich, six Slurpees, chips, and a couple other things. Good to see our tax dollars going to such a great cause : \ 
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I watched a woman use her Oregon Trail Card at 7-11 to buy an ice-cream sandwich, six Slurpees, chips, and a couple other things. Good to see our tax dollars going to such a great cause : \ I hope for a government collapse, if for nothing more than the people who are dependent on them to starve. 
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I see it all the time at 7-11's- beef jerky, candy, slurpees, and other non-nutritional crap being bought with funds allocated by the state to feed families in need. There needs to be restrictions on where and what you can buy with an Oregon Trail card. At my local Winco, I watched a young, pregnant latino mother of two try to buy peeled carrots (and other nutritional assorted groceries) with WIC vouchers. They wouldn't sell her the peeled carrots, but she could buy the raw unpeeled carrots. While a bit extreme, I see what they are trying to get at. Only buy nutritional unprocessed foods with the vouchers. What would people on food stamps do if all they could buy with the Oregon Trail card was milk, meat, cheese, veggies, fruit and such?
While it drives me up the wall that we have to feed so many lazy, unproductive people, remember that a lot of those people have kids, who would otherwise go hungry because their parents can't get their shit together enough to scrape up some change to buy food. Feed the lazy, and we feel ripped off, but their kids get fed. Don't feed the lazy, and the kids will go hungry. Catch-22. 
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| I work in retail and you have to understand that this is the norm, not the exception. Many grocery and variety retailers exist as administrators of government handouts. You have no idea how many stores would not stay open without them. It is a vicious circle because we then fight to keep the handouts coming so we can get our cut. Manufacturers alter their products to insure that they can be purchased with SNAP cards. It has not increased my faith in humanity a great deal. These are of course the upstanding citizens who have the ability to apply for cards and then successfully enter their pin numbers. The store where I work has most items under lock and key because shoplifting is even more efficient than OR Trail cards at spreading the wealth around. |
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While it drives me up the wall that we have to feed so many lazy, unproductive people, remember that a lot of those people have kids, who would otherwise go hungry because their parents can't get their shit together enough to scrape up some change to buy food. +1 |
| I would put the bulk of this abuse on your elected leaders who cave in to the lobbyists for convenience stores, grocery chains, pizza outlets, etc. They could change the rules but refuse to and shame on the outfits/stores that would sue if they did change the rules. |
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I watched a woman use her Oregon Trail Card at 7-11 to buy an ice-cream sandwich, six Slurpees, chips, and a couple other things. Good to see our tax dollars going to such a great cause : \ I hope for a government collapse, if for nothing more than the people who are dependent on them to starve. And this is why I encourage ALL of you to re-elect the president.....4 more years should do enough damage to this country that the real "change" will happen. |
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"it's for the kids" is a poor reason for welfare. All you doing is teaching the next crop how to milk the system. If you can't feed you kids then they need to be taken away Agreed...people may actually utilize birth control if they had to pay for their kids, not expect someone else to for them! |
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"it's for the kids" is a poor reason for welfare. All you doing is teaching the next crop how to milk the system. If you can't feed you kids then they need to be taken away In short term situations, I disagree (sometimes people lose their job... Or have one deadbeat parent that bails out). But long term... Honestly, it would solve some serious issues. Having lived in the ghetto for most of my life, I know that most food card receivers have a drug/alcohol problem from first hand exposure. They spend their income on ways to get high/drunk, and expect the state to pay for the food bill. My mother did everything that she could to keep us fed when my father took off. She never got on food stamps, but did get grocery bank assistance for a while. She quit drinking for a long time to make it all happen. With that said... I'm tired of seeing so many people on the Trail Card here in Oregon. Most of them could easily do without it, but it gives them convenience to have more weed cash. |
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If you can't feed you kids then they need to be taken away And I suppose you would be willing to help pay for those children when they get put in foster care right? As some one else has already stated we are all ready paying for them. By putting them in foster care at lease we are not rewarding the POS that can't feed them. |
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If you can't feed you kids then they need to be taken away And I suppose you would be willing to help pay for those children when they get put in foster care right? We're paying for them either way, would you rather we kill them? Let's relax on a touch on killing kids here. I understand we pay either way but the point is you will be paying for a much longer period of time if you were to put the child in foster care and not keep them with the bio parent. Just because you place the child in foster care does not mean he/she will not be at multiple homes, have problematic interactions with peers/adults and have their life affected further. You paying goes well beyond foster care, even if a child works their way back to the parent’s home DHS still provides Case Management of the home and that will again cost you. It is always a better idea to keep children with their parents. That is the way DHS and the courts operate, if the parents can keep it together than they will remain in their custody or work their way back into it. To simply remove a child from their parent because they are having troubles feeding their kids, as you are saying, is not a thought out or successful intervention until you have explored all other opportunities. |
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If you can't feed you kids then they need to be taken away And I suppose you would be willing to help pay for those children when they get put in foster care right? As some one else has already stated we are all ready paying for them. By putting them in foster care at lease we are not rewarding the POS that can't feed them. That also is not true. You place a child in foster care the first the courts and DHS will do is look at returning to parent as soon as they are able to care for their child, with or without state assistance. The parent will play an active role in the child's "Treatment Team" if they choose and this will also place the child back in the hands of the parent that much sooner. Just because you pull a child from a home does not mean you have taken care of the problem parent, they are around in the child's life regardless if you think they are a POS or not as long as they choose to be. You are going to pay either way, with foster care, section 8, food stamps, housing assistance, mental health/behavioral services etc.... It's smart to choose the route that will least affect the child's life and culture they were brought up in. |
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DHS is one of the most corupt organizations out there. They interperet Oregon Administrative Rules to suit their ajenda and go directly against Oregon Revised Statutes and the Constitution of the United States. They try to make cases against parents who work to provide for their children and who are willing to discipline thier children in order to have statistics to justify the existence of DHS.
As to the Welfare cards taking children away from non-producers (i.e. the ones who use the welfare card for their sugary junk foods they crave due to their methamphetamine habbit) is a good thing as some of the foster parents out there are upstanding citizens who share our views on politics and work ethics, maybe the children seeing someone working for a living is better than the children seeing their parent/parents mooching for a living. I firmly believe the welfare program needs to be ended. Dave |
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DHS is one of the most corupt organizations out there. They interperet Oregon Administrative Rules to suit their ajenda and go directly against Oregon Revised Statutes and the Constitution of the United States. They try to make cases against parents who work to provide for their children and who are willing to discipline thier children in order to have statistics to justify the existence of DHS. As to the Welfare cards taking children away from non-producers (i.e. the ones who use the welfare card for their sugary junk foods they crave due to their methamphetamine habbit) is a good thing as some of the foster parents out there are upstanding citizens who share our views on politics and work ethics, maybe the children seeing someone working for a living is better than the children seeing their parent/parents mooching for a living. I firmly believe the welfare program needs to be ended. Dave This. If the parents are deadbeats were continuing the enabling for another generation. And I understand what HalfLife is getting at, the problem is not all these families are ones using welfare to help get them back on their feet, theyre using it to feed a habit. The POSs need to booted off it, the ones using it for what it was made to be used for can stay on it. |
| They still call these food stamps? They really don't buy the person food. They actually buy the person cable internet, and video games and weed. By removing the burden of having to pay for food for themselves and their kids, it allows them to use their own money to buy crap they really don't need. I used to work at a grocery store and I can't tell you how many food stamp cards I saw get pulled out of Gucci and Luis Vitton and other designer wallets. Or how many times I have seen people pay for the beer that they just bought that their foodstamps didn't cover with a massive g-wad of cash. Or how many bags of oreo's, pales of ice cream, Doritoes, etc. |
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DHS is one of the most corupt organizations out there. They interperet Oregon Administrative Rules to suit their ajenda and go directly against Oregon Revised Statutes and the Constitution of the United States. They try to make cases against parents who work to provide for their children and who are willing to discipline thier children in order to have statistics to justify the existence of DHS. As to the Welfare cards taking children away from non-producers (i.e. the ones who use the welfare card for their sugary junk foods they crave due to their methamphetamine habbit) is a good thing as some of the foster parents out there are upstanding citizens who share our views on politics and work ethics, maybe the children seeing someone working for a living is better than the children seeing their parent/parents mooching for a living. I firmly believe the welfare program needs to be ended. Dave This. If the parents are deadbeats were continuing the enabling for another generation. And I understand what HalfLife is getting at, the problem is not all these families are ones using welfare to help get them back on their feet, theyre using it to feed a habit. The POSs need to booted off it, the ones using it for what it was made to be used for can stay on it. I agree with what you are saying. The only problem here is they would have to establish a new position to audit receipts for those using OTC's and also establish a criterion for specific food groups that are acceptable. There is not enough funding in the budget to establish DHS Caseworkers with appropriate caseloads to manage properly. So, getting a new hire on to audit files/receipts would be at this date in age simply impossible. I don't argue the fact that there are huge flaws in the system. I am just pointing out the lesser of evils from what I see day to day on the job regarding what programs are being funded and how children/families are impacted. |
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DHS is one of the most corupt organizations out there. They interperet Oregon Administrative Rules to suit their ajenda and go directly against Oregon Revised Statutes and the Constitution of the United States. They try to make cases against parents who work to provide for their children and who are willing to discipline thier children in order to have statistics to justify the existence of DHS. As to the Welfare cards taking children away from non-producers (i.e. the ones who use the welfare card for their sugary junk foods they crave due to their methamphetamine habbit) is a good thing as some of the foster parents out there are upstanding citizens who share our views on politics and work ethics, maybe the children seeing someone working for a living is better than the children seeing their parent/parents mooching for a living. I firmly believe the welfare program needs to be ended. Dave This. If the parents are deadbeats were continuing the enabling for another generation. And I understand what HalfLife is getting at, the problem is not all these families are ones using welfare to help get them back on their feet, theyre using it to feed a habit. The POSs need to booted off it, the ones using it for what it was made to be used for can stay on it. I agree with what you are saying. The only problem here is they would have to establish a new position to audit receipts for those using OTC's and also establish a criterion for specific food groups that are acceptable. There is not enough funding in the budget to establish DHS Caseworkers with appropriate caseloads to manage properly. So, getting a new hire on to audit files/receipts would be at this date in age simply impossible. I don't argue the fact that there are huge flaws in the system. I am just pointing out the lesser of evils from what I see day to day on the job regarding what programs are being funded and how children/families are impacted. But there is funding in the budget to falsely accuse parents of abuse when in fact the parent is correcting a child's piss poor behavior (lying, blatant disobedience, disrespect, and petty theft). I know this from personal experience with DHS as someone made an accusation of abuse against me when I was willing to correct my 11 year old. And there is funding in the budget to keep employees that willfully allow the national ensign to be flown in a state of disrepair at their Boardman Oregon office after they recieved a strongly worded phone call from one of the Governor's executive assitants who is a fellow veteran......And they had the funding in 1992 to turn away a combat veteran and his family when that family needed some extra food (no electric bills, rent, or other assistance as those were paid by the veteran's low paying wages rather just food vouchers). DHS can kiss my ass, and I will report any and all indiscressions I see being made by DHS with photographic proof and sworn statements. Oh and I was well within the law under the Oregon Revised Statutes in the consequenses that were imposed on my son. Dave |
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DHS is one of the most corupt organizations out there. They interperet Oregon Administrative Rules to suit their ajenda and go directly against Oregon Revised Statutes and the Constitution of the United States. They try to make cases against parents who work to provide for their children and who are willing to discipline thier children in order to have statistics to justify the existence of DHS. As to the Welfare cards taking children away from non-producers (i.e. the ones who use the welfare card for their sugary junk foods they crave due to their methamphetamine habbit) is a good thing as some of the foster parents out there are upstanding citizens who share our views on politics and work ethics, maybe the children seeing someone working for a living is better than the children seeing their parent/parents mooching for a living. I firmly believe the welfare program needs to be ended. Dave This. If the parents are deadbeats were continuing the enabling for another generation. And I understand what HalfLife is getting at, the problem is not all these families are ones using welfare to help get them back on their feet, theyre using it to feed a habit. The POSs need to booted off it, the ones using it for what it was made to be used for can stay on it. I agree with what you are saying. The only problem here is they would have to establish a new position to audit receipts for those using OTC's and also establish a criterion for specific food groups that are acceptable. There is not enough funding in the budget to establish DHS Caseworkers with appropriate caseloads to manage properly. So, getting a new hire on to audit files/receipts would be at this date in age simply impossible. I don't argue the fact that there are huge flaws in the system. I am just pointing out the lesser of evils from what I see day to day on the job regarding what programs are being funded and how children/families are impacted. But there is funding in the budget to falsely accuse parents of abuse when in fact the parent is correcting a child's piss poor behavior (lying, blatant disobedience, disrespect, and petty theft). I know this from personal experience with DHS as someone made an accusation of abuse against me when I was willing to correct my 11 year old. And there is funding in the budget to keep employees that willfully allow the national ensign to be flown in a state of disrepair at their Boardman Oregon office after they recieved a strongly worded phone call from one of the Governor's executive assitants who is a fellow veteran......And they had the funding in 1992 to turn away a combat veteran and his family when that family needed some extra food (no electric bills, rent, or other assistance as those were paid by the veteran's low paying wages rather just food vouchers). DHS can kiss my ass, and I will report any and all indiscressions I see being made by DHS with photographic proof and sworn statements. Oh and I was well within the law under the Oregon Revised Statutes in the consequenses that were imposed on my son. Dave I understand your frustration by all means, but to start off you cannot compare Child Welfare entering your life to a Veteran receiving services. Two entirely different departments so let’s not get way off topic here. I understand DHS is not perfect, but they usually only remove a child from a home if there is shit stacked eye deep or if there is some sort of substantial abuse being confirmed on their part. Another piece to this is we don't know what you were accused of. That makes a big difference in the stance you are taking, and keep in mind I am not asking you to tell me what the findings were. |