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WTF is up with everyone moving here lately.  Take your umbrellas and go home!

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More people=more money being brought into the state. With the economic state of the Oregon at the moment, we need more people bringing more business and income.

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More people=more money being brought into the state. With the economic state of the Oregon at the moment, we need more people bringing more business and income.

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I'm amazed at the negativity thrown in general at our people. Yes, there are many idiots here, but to say I'm one of those, and will have a negative effect on your precious state, makes your personalities worse than any one here. I'm planning on moving, because I'm sick of the California attitude, and have received an offer from a stable, in demand manufacturer. They are profitable, and will be, which is why I considered it in the first place.

So, to all who plan on judging & hating my family for 'invading', don't worry,  because I won't be knocking on your door.

Anytime I read about someone moving to Cali, there are met with respect & help. I did not think for a second I would receive the opposite from here, with the exception of gehrkek.

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You may take my post as hate speach, but remember; I'm from CA. I'm just warning you. My moms family lived here a long time before we moved here, we knew the 1st thing you do is change your license plates and lie about where you are from. I've lived here 10 years and am just about ready to move back to CA. I'll 99% likely never go back, but I really hate the "where are you from?", seriously, after 10 years I STILL get that CONSTANTLY!
True story: a few months ago my father and I went to the market to get coffee and donuts in the deli, we were wearing nice button up shirts. After we walked in my dad wispered in my ear "did you see how the place got silent when we walked in? I guess it's because we are dressed up?" Everybody stared at us. Then afterwards we walked around the shopping center and some guy who looked like a construction worker was walking across the parking lot towards us, he was kinda talking to himself, like almost yelling something like "I can't stand these FUCKING californians...COMING UP HERE!", my dad and I just kinda looked at each other and the guy walked by in front of us and went in a store, I was like "was he talking to us?" WTF? Seriously.

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To tell you the truth, I really don't care what people will think. I grew up as a nerd, and was always against the grain. i also knew how to fight, growing up with a younger brother. I will never lie about where I'm from, I will never let myself be intimidated by a self righteous a-hole just because I'm from cali. In fact, I'm used to it, people thinking I'm mexican or speak spanish, because I have brown skin. I'm native, and if anyone wants to hate me because I'm 'Californian' and should leave their state, they can kiss it and get out of my country.

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<––-was being a smartass.  One more gun person in this state isn't a bad thing imo.  Just as long as you know how to drive in the rain (5-10 over) and don't drive like an idiot in the snow its all good.  Thick skin is also essential.  If you come in driving a prius and telling everyone else how to live, then yes you will take a ton of heat.  If you are cool, then your cool.  And +1 on changing your plates asap.  Some policia are not your friend with cali plates.  Have heard of profiling that way thanks to all the drugs that run up and down I-5

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<––-was being a smartass.  One more gun person in this state isn't a bad thing imo.  Just as long as you know how to drive in the rain (5-10 over) and don't drive like an idiot in the snow its all good.  Thick skin is also essential.  If you come in driving a prius and telling everyone else how to live, then yes you will take a ton of heat.  If you are cool, then your cool.  And +1 on changing your plates asap.  Some policia are not your friend with cali plates.  Have heard of profiling that way thanks to all the drugs that run up and down I-5

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Well not only do I not drive a prius, I drive a V8 66 mustang. So I think cops/locals may be in for a surprise, a redskin who knows his rights . Like I said, I'm used to being treated bad, so thick skin is natural.

I don't do drugs either.

And how to defend myself.

P.S.  Being a smartass is a good quality to me
It's the phonies I look out for

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archavez, don't believe all the hype. If you find a job here in OR, while getting laid off after a year is a possibility, it's not the rule by any means. As with anything, it depends what job field you're in. If you stay around the major metropolitan areas like Portland than there's plenty of work to go around despite what people say. If you live in a rural area like I do (Bend) than the pickings are much slimmer, and the unemployment rate is much higher.

And for everyone that says every town in OR has a nickname that rhymes with meth....so do most other cities in this country. Coming from the military with a TON of travelling throughout the nation and world, I can say that the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality is rampant no matter where you go, OR is no different; everyone wants want they don't have and thinks the town they live in/came from sucks.

Anyway archavez, welcome to OR, it's a beautiful state and I'm sure you'll enjoy your time here. If you ever get tired of the weather, traffic and hippies on the coast, make a trip out to Central Oregon sometime and it'll put a smile on your face.

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Well, I have been an Oregonian all my life and my family has been here over a 130 years.  My advice is Change your automobile plates as soon as possible.

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Yea, I was reading that too.... Shame 'cause they are original plates.

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Well not only do I not drive a prius, I drive a V8 66 mustang. So I think cops/locals may be in for a surprise, a redskin who knows his rights . Like I said, I'm used to being treated bad, so thick skin is natural.

I don't do drugs either.

And how to defend myself.

P.S.  Being a smartass is a good quality to me
It's the phonies I look out for

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People in Oregon can just smell that you ain't from 'round here. A veternarian just left my house. He was here to look at a sick cow. I said nothing about being from somewhere else, for all he knew I was born and raised on this property. Before he left he says "so what brought you to this part of the country?". Huh? WTF?

Another californian I used to work with told me that they know you aren't from around here if you haven't banged his sister.

To the OP: you'll have to deal with this daily.

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Haha!   A couple years ago I was shooting a PR match and talking with some guys there about HS football and the teams in the state play-offs.  One of the schools was Aloha (pronounced UH-LOW-UH 'round these parts) and while making fun of the team, I kept calling it UH-LOW-HA (like in Hawaii) and one of they guys says to me, "You're not from around here , are you?"  I laughed and told him I was born at the baby factory in Portland on 102nd (Woodland Park), lived in Park Rose and I know how to speak Oregonianish but was goofing on the team.

Want to fit in, learn to speak how we speak.  Or just don't care about the haters and continue getting their grief.  Either way, if you're a solid person who takes responsibility, small government and loves freedom, you're GTG in my book.

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Yeah, I forgot about that. There are a lot of places and words here that are differant. Pronouncing "Row" River rd in Cottage Grove wrong was one quick give away that "you aint from 'round here". Especialy when you get around loggers, they seem to have a language of there own. I just found out they call fork lift a "jitney". Another one is "camper shell" in california is "canopy" in oregon, seriously, people will act like they don't know what you are talking about if you call it a camper shell. Cougers are cougers, NOT mountain lions. I remember when I first moved here and a checker at bi-mart was giving me directions to another store that mite have what I wanted, she said go over the "viaduct". I didn't ask her WTF she was talking about because I wanted to fit in, I found out that meens bridge.There's a lot of little things like that.

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The job situation up here is just plain weird. After 3 years I decided to give up. I'm waiting untill the new year, then maybe I'm going college.
I can't get a job I DO have expieriance in, then I know a girl who had JUST got her credentials to teach last year, has ZERO mechanical skills and she says "guess what I'm doing now"..... "CNC operator!".
WTF? They hired her right on. They always advertise that you need years of expieriance and training to run a CNC.
As the above poster comments about resumes, I've been to a resume writing class at worksource oregon (state employment department) and had several resumes written for me by employment agencies, all saying this or that needs tweeking. Ugh. Are you serious? You won't hire ME because my resume is not cookie cutter and I DO have expieriance, but you will hire a woman with zero expieriance and no mechanical apptitude because her resume was written "correctly"?

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As the above poster comments about resumes, I've been to a resume writing class at worksource oregon (state employment department) and had several resumes written for me by employment agencies, all saying this or that needs tweeking. Ugh. Are you serious? You won't hire ME because my resume is not cookie cutter and I DO have expieriance, but you will hire a woman with zero expieriance and no mechanical apptitude because her resume was written "correctly"?

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The job situation up here is just plain weird. After 3 years I decided to give up. I'm waiting untill the new year, then maybe I'm going college.
I can't get a job I DO have expieriance in, then I know a girl who had JUST got her credentials to teach last year, has ZERO mechanical skills and she says "guess what I'm doing now"..... "CNC operator!".
WTF? They hired her right on. They always advertise that you need years of expieriance and training to run a CNC.
As the above poster comments about resumes, I've been to a resume writing class at worksource oregon (state employment department) and had several resumes written for me by employment agencies, all saying this or that needs tweeking. Ugh. Are you serious? You won't hire ME because my resume is not cookie cutter and I DO have expieriance, but you will hire a woman with zero expieriance and no mechanical apptitude because her resume was written "correctly"?

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AASG, welcome to job-search reality where - as Gackman correctly states - your resume is the very first impression of "you".  Your resume is one of the most important documents you will ever prepare in your life, so you need to treat your resume like the important marketing document that it is.

As a hiring manager at a large company, I often have no more than 15-20 seconds to take an initial look at a resume, and to determine if I should spend any additional time looking at it.  If a resume has even a single misspelled word, it gets thrown away.  If it looks like the person spent little-to-no time preparing it, it gets thrown away.  If it is missing important information or leaves unanswered questions, it gets thrown away.  Needless to say, I throw away a lot of resumes.  Even after years of reviewing resumes, I remain constantly shocked at the large number of job applicants who simply don't "get it" when it comes to preparing a resume. (And these are often the same people are are genuinely confused as to why no one is calling them for an interview.)    

Yes, of course your experience is important.  But your experience is only one piece of the "total you".  I, and other employers, aren't just looking for experience.  We're also looking for someone who knows how to make a good first impression, someone who understands that small details matter, and someone who has enough commonsense to realize that their resume had better be damn good.  Over time, I've found a very high correlation between the quality of a person's resume, and the ultimate quality of that person as an employee.  This is not a coincidence.

And yes, sometimes people with less (or no) experience will get a job in large part because they have a better resume, which gets their foot in the door and further allows them to sell themselves.  If this comes as a surprise to you, then you have a lot of learning to do.  I will hire (and have hired) people with less experience simply because they had an outstanding resume and outstanding interviews, both of which indicated they would likely succeed in my company's environment.   Fact is, as long as we're not literally talking about rocket science, most intelligent people can learn technical job skills in a short matter of time.  However, the intangible qualities that are so important in a good quality hire (having a high degree of commonsense, having high degrees of social and emotional intelligence, "cultural fit", etc.), often can't be taught.  A person either has these traits, or they don't.  More often than not, those intangible qualities are every bit as important - and depending on the exact job, sometimes even more important - than raw technical skill or experience.

Given your post AASG, and in terms of finding work, it seems like perhaps you need to work on your attitude as much as you may need to further work on your resume.  You seemed genuinely offended that resume-writing professionals told you you needed to tweak your resume.  And it's almost as if you think your experience somehow entitles you to a job or something.  These two things (inability and/or unwillingness to listen to experts who know what they're talking about, and a sense of entitlement based solely on the tangible metric of experience) suggest to me that you probably need more comprehensive career counseling.

In sum, you need to convince an employer that you are the best person for the job.  And in today's work environment, for most jobs, that goes far beyond just having the requisite experience.  

Sorry if my post comes off as a little harsh, but I'm just calling it like I see it from what you've posted here.

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I keep hearing those figures and it sounds pretty f-ing dumb to me. How can you read ANYTHING in 15 seconds? So you do NOT even get down to the part where I operated a machine exactly like yours for several years? You're more concerned with if I mis spelled a single word than how many safety awards I have recieved?

The funny thing is I know this guy, he's a son of my fathers friend, he's a BIG TIME CRACK HEAD. He can get any job he wants, ANY TIME (provided he's not locked up). He bullshits them and the employer loves his resume. I was working one place once, driving trucks, my boss comes up with this guy one morning, the fucker has his fly half down, shirt half tucked in, one pant leg tucked in his cowboy boot and the boss tells me he's the new driver and that he knows soooo much that he should be training me. I'm certain he was wasted off his ass at the moment. Uh, well he admitted (more like bragged) almost emediatly to me that he had lied on his app, he had just gotten out of prison where he had been for 3 years from stealing a truck from his last employer and trying to trade the load for crack cocaine in los angeles. He lasted 2 days, almost killed somebody and 2 weeks later his old lady showed up wanting his paycheck and said he was locked up again. But I guess he didn't have any misspellings and in the 15 seconds HR took to look at his resume he was a stellar individual, huh?
The last time I saw that guy he was standing in front of the grocery store and had just pissed his pants.

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In oregon, I've been basically kicked out of an interview for wearing a suit, QUOTE: "Oh my God, I can't believe you wore a suit to the interview!". I been asked crap like "are you married, do you have kids?" I guess they thought I was gay or something, that was basically the end of that interview. I have seen the guys that did get the jobs, guys with gang tattoos on their neck, things like that. WTF? Stuff like that used to be an automatic disqualification Here in Oregon I guess they like rough looking carachters. I'm the guy who went out and maxed out my credit card to make a good impression on the interview, buying a suit and hair cut.

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You can believe that 15-20 second figure.  I'm not an HR guy.  I have a "regular job" at work that doesn't have anything to do with HR-type issues.  But when it comes time to hire for my group I'm the person in charge of that, and it becomes a very time-intensive extra duty that I must accomplish while my regular work is piling up.  So when I receive more than 250 resumes for one job, yes...I have no more than 15-20 seconds to do an initial scan of each resume.  The HR guys have it even worse, as they may be required to review literally thousands of resumes each day.  How much time do you think they have to look at each resume?!?  (And yes, you can get very good at picking out certain things in only 15-20 seconds.)  

You still don't seem to "get it" with regard to misspelled words on resumes.  In fact, I can't even believe you're trying to argue that misspelled words shouldn't matter on a resume, since correctly spelling words on a resume is one of the most very basic rules of resume writing.What you don't seem to understand is that the problem isn't actually the misspelled word.  Rather, the problem is what it says about you.  And what does it say?  It says that even though you KNOW you're submitting an important document that will cause you to be (or not be) considered for employment, you didn't think it was important enough to have someone else proof-read it for errors before submission.  That tells me you're sloppy, you don't correctly prepare for important things, you may be unprofessional, and/or you simply don't care.  I mean, if you can't even be bothered to submit a resume to me that has correct spelling in it, why should I spend any more than 15-20 seconds looking at your resume?  With such a basic flaw on a resume, you're essentially telling me, "Go ahead and move on to a resume written by someone who actually wants the job more than I do."  And if you think I'm alone in this sentiment, I'll guarantee you I'm not.

Your anecdote about the crack-head doesn't change anything I wrote, and really doesn't mean anything at all other than what we already know: some employers aren't good at doing due diligence, and make bad hiring decisions as a result.  Many employers these days ask about criminal history and/or do criminal background checks, so if this crack-head is getting jobs, he's getting them at companies that aren't utilizing good hiring practices.  Show me a company that hires a guy who just got out of prison after three years, where the company doesn't know about it, and I'll show you a company that probably has a lot of other problems.  Moreover, your anecdote sort of proves my overall point.  You said yourself that "employers love his resume".  If his resume is good enough that employers are willing to ignore any obvious flaws with him, doesn't that sort of support the notion of just how important a resume is?

Aside from the resume, what else are you doing to find a job?  Do you have a personal website that would "introduce" you to employers?  One of the best hires I ever made was a young lady who, after thanking us at the end of her first interview, passed out a business card that just had her name and her "www.myname.com" website address on it.  She said, "If you'd like to learn more about me, I've prepared this website that has more details about me as a professional and as a person."  Sure enough, she had prepared a simple (but nicely done) password-protected website that had her resume, letters of recommendation, academic transcripts, samples of her work, and some appropriate personal information and photos that spoke to what type of person she was.  Aside from simply being informative, this website was brilliant because it said one thing loud and clear: "I am a resourceful person who is willing to go the extra mile to get what I want, and to impress those who need to be impressed."  She has been a wonderful employee.  Again, this is not a coincidence.

I point this out not to say that you need a website (although it is a good idea), but to demonstrate that often times, the difference between those who get jobs and those who don't, is the resourcefulness and effort those people put into getting a job.  There absolutely ARE jobs out there, but these days you need to go above-and-beyond to get them.  What are you doing to ensure that the next time you have a job interview, you leave with the employer saying "I absolutely HAVE to hire this person!"

You may want to hire a career counselor with a solid track-record of helping people get hired.  While I understand that it's hard to spend money on such a thing while you're unemployed, it may be the best investment you'll ever make.

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You don't know me! You seem to be on a personal attack mission against me.

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with a little on the job training just about anyone who is ok in math can RUN a CNC machine.  Heck, I did for a brief time, pretty much teaching myself as I went.  Programming CNC and doing set ups on CNC machines is a completely different game.  That does take bit more experience that running one.  And I will say, running a CNC machine is like watching paint dry sometimes.  Not a particularly fun job, but it can pay ok.  Funny thing about your comments, last I heard there was a ton of laid off cnc machine operators in OR.  Unless things have changed, or your friend knows what kind of shirt to wear, it seems odd to me that she got a job like that with practically no experience.

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Hi again all,

Well I just back home today from visiting the company I am applying for. I went up on Friday night, and met with the owners Saturday. I met the rest of the crew yesterday. I must say, I am really impressed with how relaxed the area is, how friendly everyone was, and astounded by the beauty of the area. Even my wife, who was skeptical, fell in love with everything. We went up to Butte Falls by accident, and we both love the scenery. My interview went very well, so I am very optimistic about accepting this job.

Despite some negativity here, meeting the locals and traveling a bit dispelled any misconceptions I may have had. I even found the gun range by accident!

Anyhow, It looks like I'll be an Oregon resident within a month or so