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4/20/2009 12:23:08 PM EDT
Read this today as I snagged a copy on the way to class.  I love how he groups all gun owners into one group, assuming criminals think the same as law abiding citizens, and get our guns the same way!  The other thing that got me was that he thought armed students would somehow be the protectors of unarmed students, and they themselves would cause more problems being as how "untrained" they are.  The only reason I carry concealed, is for my own peace of mind...if I can happen to save the life of others then so be it, but I'm only worried about protecting myself first and foremost.  Has this guy completely forgoten about Va Tech?  What a tard...please comment so he can truely understand, instead of basing his thoughts on his parents passed down libtard ideals.

Guns on campus do not provide us safety

ETA:  Another disturbing quote "First off, there's a certain amount of maturity involved in owning a gun. Seldom have I seen a college-aged gun owner who handled a gun safely or for its intended purpose. Gun owners must provide a convincing argument as to why people should be able to carry a concealed weapon other than their right to do so under the Second Amendment. '

So apparently becuse I'm in college im too stupid to handle my firearms with care.  I think he assumes im in the 17-22 (even though im 30) range and that those aged adults arent responsible enough to handle a firearm.  And isnt that exactly what the second ammendment is, a very good arguement (right) as to why we should be able to carry a firearm?!

Please please please light this guy up!  Let him know what "intelligent" adults think about his verbal diarhrea...

4/20/2009 12:32:19 PM EDT
[#1]
This last week was referred to as "Second Amendment Week" and was brought to OSU campus courtesy of the College Republicans. Although I'm a Democrat and for the most part disagree with purpose of some of these events I still think they're an important step in bringing more publicity to our campus. I enjoy seeing college students take an active interest in our rights and making an effort to get their peers involved, regardless of political preference.

I'm not as anti-gun as other liberal-minded folks. I really doubt that. I support a person's right to own a firearm, but only for the purposes of hunting and home defense. Yes.  Because one should be able to defend themselves while home, but when you leave you’re fair game.  Makes perfect sense to me.   I do think there's an appropriate time and place for guns to be carried or used. However, a college campus is just not one of them. In your opinion.

First off, there's a certain amount of maturity involved in owning a gun. Seldom have I seen a college-aged gun owner who handled a gun safely or for its intended purpose.  Don’t know many Soldiers or Marines huh?  You should associate with a better class of people.  Gun Computer owners must provide a convincing argument as to why people should be able to carry a concealed weapon Write an editorial other than their right to do so under the Second First Amendment.

We're not exposed to imminent threats on campus; I seriously doubt any grizzly bears or cougars will be invading our campus any time soon, VT must have just slipped your mind. I don’t think you need to worry about four legged critters either.  It’s the two legged ones that worry me.  other than when their respective universities come to OSU for sporting events.  Go Beavs!
Conservative radio host Lars Larson mentioned that people carrying concealed weapons "makes students safer" It makes the ones who are able to defend themselves safer.  You’re on your own. during his live broadcast from the MU quad last Thursday. I couldn't disagree more. Having students armed is more of a safety risk than an appropriate means of protection. Right up ‘til one saves your hide from a shooter.  I refuse to be protected by fellow students who choose to arm themselves.  You won’t have a choice.  It’ll be interesting to see you through yourself at the mercy of a shooter instead of taking cover behind one of these people you think shouldn’t be armed.  Riiight. I believe only accidents and serious injuries would be the results if the administrative rules were changed.  That is your belief and you’re welcome to it, no matter how naïve it may be.
There's also a misconception that only law-abiding citizens purchase or own guns, and can receive concealed weapons permits. What?  Where have you been?   If this were true, we wouldn't see so many gun-related crimes appearing in the mainstream media. No kidding.  According to statistics gathered by the Associated Press, mass shootings caused 57 people their lives all over the country last month. And if there had been legally armed people around, that number may have been significantly less.
Fifty-seven people killed in one month is an astounding figure and clearly demonstrates why more guns aren't the solution to improving our public safety. How does that demonstrate that?  Were there legally armed people there to stop the shooters?  What is your point?   You can't predict who intends to be a law-abiding gun owner or who is going to use their gun for criminal activity. Exactly why I want to be armed.  You make my point very well.  Thanks.

Instead of seeking security with more guns, we should seek security in closer scrutiny of sales, better training and limits on weapons that are designed to kill people rapidly. By restricting people who are law abiding?  Guess what?  A lot of these people aren’t law abiding.  If they were, they wouldn’t be out shooting people.

The common argument on the part of gun owners is "guns don't kill people; people kill people." So having more people armed logically means more people getting killed. Is this what we really want? I don’t want to be one of the dead ones for lack of shooting back.  You can lay down and die if you want, but don’t get me killed because you’re not smart enough to arm yourself.  There is also the saying, “An armed society is a polite society”.

As a native of Corvallis, I can't imagine living in a city safer than this one, and life on campus is no different. I've never seen a fight or any act of violence occur while I have attended this university. Good for you.  Let’s hope your first one isn’t the one that kills you. If we ever witnessed a shooting on our campus, having other students or faculty armed would just create more panic, injuries, or worse more death. In your opinion. The police are armed to protect us, and we put our trust in them - not our fellow students and faculty - to do so.  Wow.  Does your mommy still wipe your fanny too?  What makes police officers lives worth more than mine?

Our Constitution and state laws allow us so much leeway, in terms of our personal freedom, and we are all fortunate to live in such a wonderful country where having rights is a luxury many other citizens around the world can only dream of.  Amen.

My main concern here is the safety of everyone at the university, and the people advocating for more guns are the real threat to our public safety. In your opinion.  I disagree.



Patrick Fancher is a junior in new media communication. The opinions expressed in his columns do not necessarily represent the opinion of the Daily Barometer staff. Fancher can be reached at [email protected].






Wow!  That dude must live in a bubble that nothing can penatrate.


Jebus.

-Mark.
4/20/2009 1:10:16 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
This last week was referred to as "Second Amendment Week" and was brought to OSU campus courtesy of the College Republicans. Although I'm a Democrat and for the most part disagree with purpose of some of these events I still think they're an important step in bringing more publicity to our campus. I enjoy seeing college students take an active interest in our rights and making an effort to get their peers involved, regardless of political preference.

I'm not as anti-gun as other liberal-minded folks. I really doubt that. I support a person's right to own a firearm, but only for the purposes of hunting and home defense. Yes.  Because one should be able to defend themselves while home, but when you leave you’re fair game.  Makes perfect sense to me.   I do think there's an appropriate time and place for guns to be carried or used. However, a college campus is just not one of them. In your opinion.

First off, there's a certain amount of maturity involved in owning a gun. Seldom have I seen a college-aged gun owner who handled a gun safely or for its intended purpose.  Don’t know many Soldiers or Marines huh?  You should associate with a better class of people.  Gun Computer owners must provide a convincing argument as to why people should be able to carry a concealed weapon Write an editorial other than their right to do so under the Second First Amendment.

We're not exposed to imminent threats on campus; I seriously doubt any grizzly bears or cougars will be invading our campus any time soon, VT must have just slipped your mind. I don’t think you need to worry about four legged critters either.  It’s the two legged ones that worry me.  other than when their respective universities come to OSU for sporting events.  Go Beavs!
Conservative radio host Lars Larson mentioned that people carrying concealed weapons "makes students safer" It makes the ones who are able to defend themselves safer.  You’re on your own. during his live broadcast from the MU quad last Thursday. I couldn't disagree more. Having students armed is more of a safety risk than an appropriate means of protection. Right up ‘til one saves your hide from a shooter.  I refuse to be protected by fellow students who choose to arm themselves.  You won’t have a choice.  It’ll be interesting to see you through yourself at the mercy of a shooter instead of taking cover behind one of these people you think shouldn’t be armed.  Riiight. I believe only accidents and serious injuries would be the results if the administrative rules were changed.  That is your belief and you’re welcome to it, no matter how naïve it may be.
There's also a misconception that only law-abiding citizens purchase or own guns, and can receive concealed weapons permits. What?  Where have you been?   If this were true, we wouldn't see so many gun-related crimes appearing in the mainstream media. No kidding.  According to statistics gathered by the Associated Press, mass shootings caused 57 people their lives all over the country last month. And if there had been legally armed people around, that number may have been significantly less.
Fifty-seven people killed in one month is an astounding figure and clearly demonstrates why more guns aren't the solution to improving our public safety. How does that demonstrate that?  Were there legally armed people there to stop the shooters?  What is your point?   You can't predict who intends to be a law-abiding gun owner or who is going to use their gun for criminal activity. Exactly why I want to be armed.  You make my point very well.  Thanks.

Instead of seeking security with more guns, we should seek security in closer scrutiny of sales, better training and limits on weapons that are designed to kill people rapidly. By restricting people who are law abiding?  Guess what?  A lot of these people aren’t law abiding.  If they were, they wouldn’t be out shooting people.

The common argument on the part of gun owners is "guns don't kill people; people kill people." So having more people armed logically means more people getting killed. Is this what we really want? I don’t want to be one of the dead ones for lack of shooting back.  You can lay down and die if you want, but don’t get me killed because you’re not smart enough to arm yourself.  There is also the saying, “An armed society is a polite society”.

As a native of Corvallis, I can't imagine living in a city safer than this one, and life on campus is no different. I've never seen a fight or any act of violence occur while I have attended this university. Good for you.  Let’s hope your first one isn’t the one that kills you. If we ever witnessed a shooting on our campus, having other students or faculty armed would just create more panic, injuries, or worse more death. In your opinion. The police are armed to protect us, and we put our trust in them - not our fellow students and faculty - to do so.  Wow.  Does your mommy still wipe your fanny too?  What makes police officers lives worth more than mine?

Our Constitution and state laws allow us so much leeway, in terms of our personal freedom, and we are all fortunate to live in such a wonderful country where having rights is a luxury many other citizens around the world can only dream of.  Amen.

My main concern here is the safety of everyone at the university, and the people advocating for more guns are the real threat to our public safety. In your opinion.  I disagree.



Patrick Fancher is a junior in new media communication. The opinions expressed in his columns do not necessarily represent the opinion of the Daily Barometer staff. Fancher can be reached at [email protected].






Wow!  That dude must live in a bubble that nothing can penatrate.


Jebus.

-Mark.


WOW, hopefully my new article goes thru haha I think I got a cramp from typing so much. Idiots i cant believe how dumb some people are. ARGGHH after several attempts with the POS computer I have at the store I finally sent an email to the email address they gave. We'll see what happens.
4/21/2009 4:58:30 AM EDT
[#3]
I posted the following:

A simple reminder to people advocating "gun free zones", or anything similar (ie no concealed carry on a campus).  The mass shootings of my lifetime can be summed up rather simply.  The first few folks got shot because the shooter had a gun, the majority of victims got shot because no one else did.

now to see if it gets posted to the comments
4/21/2009 6:40:05 AM EDT
[#4]
Yeah not sure...I posted yesterday afternoon and still nothing.  I think theyre starting to realize what a touchy subject it is and that "they" probably dont outnumber us by as large a margin as "they" thought...

ETA:  Found this response in todays paper...this Eric Hill guy is a moron.  So closed minded for liberal pieces of shit  

Letter to the Editor
4/21/2009 7:34:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Wow, that guy was a jackass. He is so worried about this perceived "threat", that he is willing to take away students fourth amendment rights by screening/searching them as they go to class. Sometimes people really amaze me.
4/22/2009 7:32:49 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Wow, that guy was a jackass. He is so worried about this perceived "threat", that he is willing to take away students fourth amendment rights by screening/searching them as they go to class. Sometimes people really amaze me.


Yeah theres some really bad ones here at OSU...
4/22/2009 9:23:43 AM EDT
[#7]
So there were some really good replies in todays issue.  Looks like word is spreading about how uninformed the anti-gun camp is, and more gun owners want to get the facts out to them.  Great artcile on this here

And this was in the yays and nays.  Cracked me up, I actually LOL'd in class...

"Yea to people being in the Quad again, especially if they are holding demonstrations about exciting topics. Guns on campus anyone? We could use a little controversy in this town.

Nay to being wrong. "We're not exposed to any imminent threats on campus; I seriously doubt any grizzly bears or cougars will be invading our campus anytime soon," wrote Barometer columnist Patrick Fancher on Monday, in regards to gun use. Hey, guess what Fancher? A cougar killed a house cat in Corvallis about 300 yards from Wilson Elementary School this week. Fail. Yeah, he actually wrote fail!

Yea to cougars in Corvallis. If you can't spot one, look through the Craigslist personals (meet us in the sixth-floor bathroom of Valley Library!)."

4/22/2009 9:31:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Great article by RJ, hopefully this will enlighten those who are out there spilling verbal diarhea and maybe get some more on our side.
4/22/2009 2:08:29 PM EDT
[#9]
Wow guys have been jumping on this guy.  Its great.  I really want to hear what kind of response he can come up with, but I also hope he doesnt which would elude to him knowing he doesnt know WTF hes talking about...
4/23/2009 11:13:02 AM EDT
[#10]
The point that I guess I don't understand is that if "age" or just college students cannot "handle" firearms safely, how is possible that the new LEOs can?? Is this because of their awesome training? If this is the case, can a college guy get the same 40hr training and carry on campus?? If not, why bring up the matter of age?? I really don't like these guys..
4/23/2009 12:28:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
The point that I guess I don't understand is that if "age" or just college students cannot "handle" firearms safely, how is possible that the new LEOs can?? Is this because of their awesome training? If this is the case, can a college guy get the same 40hr training and carry on campus?? If not, why bring up the matter of age?? I really don't like these guys..


Exactly the point i made in the comments part, The training new LEO's receive isnt that much like you said 40hrs of range time. Ive spent more hours at the range than I can count.
Just gets more and more frustrating listening to the blabbering liberal tards
4/23/2009 2:05:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
The point that I guess I don't understand is that if "age" or just college students cannot "handle" firearms safely, how is possible that the new LEOs can?? Is this because of their awesome training? If this is the case, can a college guy get the same 40hr training and carry on campus?? If not, why bring up the matter of age?? I really don't like these guys..


Exactly the point i made in the comments part, The training new LEO's receive isnt that much like you said 40hrs of range time. Ive spent more hours at the range than I can count.
Just gets more and more frustrating listening to the blabbering liberal tards


He hasnt said shit since a few of us made comments.  Hopefully he got the point.
4/27/2009 3:48:27 PM EDT
[#13]
So check out the OP ED this so called journalist came back with in response to the barrage emails from pro gun students about his poorly written article from last weeks Barometer.  Apparently this student thinks he can justify a crappy writing style and using personal opinions/experiences as fact because he says thats how it works.  What a load of shit!  Since when did someone personal experience become the end all when it came to civil rights.  Someone needs to send this guy back to Middle School.  Does he think hes the only person in the world or what?  If you get a chance please let him know how you feel.

Valuing all opinions and perspectives in all arguments by Patrick Fancher