[ARCHIVED THREAD] - kookoo (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:08:35 AM EDT
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couple historical vids that I really like... www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ngJNIk8elA <we pretend he didn't die 2 weeks later... Before Ken's warning, there was Dwight's... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE Peak Oil anyone? www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gH4dSsTOIY |
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So, Mr. Soob....what is YOUR point? You can show videos, with a bunch of tin-foil hat comments, but I don't see what your angle is. Do you think the whole idea of aiding other countries for building up allies in volatile areas is a part of the NWO? Do you think we should have let Saddam Hussein continue to murder whole villages, torturing children (and getting off on it via closed circuit tv in his bedroom) as well as providing safe haven to terrorists? If we didn't use our "military industrial complex" to go into Afghanistan or Iraq, where do you think we would be now? We had to build ours up, in response to the growing powers of Russia at the time (especially with them being so close to our borders.) The warning videos you show were made at a critical time, between the space race, the looming threat of Nuclear War in a bipolarity global view. Have you studied International Relations? Do you know what Neo-liberalism in International Relation? It is when states interact with each other, along with non-govermental agencies, to make gains (yes, even in human rights) but when it is economically it is WITHOUT limitation of an overall organization. That means there can be competition in the global market, and yes, even monopolies may come about (liberal in the sense of few limitations.) So yes, oil will be an issue, for obvious reasons. This is how our political world has evolved, and we cannot ever go back to Pre-WWII again (nor would I ever want to, personally.) So, since we did beat the Other superpower of the time, we are known as the One left, but others are gaining (China, Iran, etc) NOT TO OUR BENEFIT. So what do we do, do we let them taunt us, building up their own stockpiles and cohorting with Regime States that clearly hate us (i.e. Axis of Evil: Cuba, Venezuala, N. Korea, etc) and not exert ourselves in areas we can gain access to resources, allies, etc? Should we completely back out of Afghanistan without proper follow-up like we did in the '80s, only to have such contempt (and the surviving generations not know what we really did) so that someone like the Taliban oppresses people again, looking to "kill the Western Infidels?" Here is a synopsis on International Relation theories (sorry, it is from Wikpedia, but I remember it from my studies): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_relations#Neoliberalism Then watch Charlie Wilson's War. Yeah, power comes at a price. But this has gone on since the beginning of time, and nothing being discussed here is new. So, now my rant is off. What was your point again? (okay I am not deleting this, but warning that I meant to cancel because of lack of sleep and sensibility....oh well. I am just  )
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I respect your thoughts and I feel you are an honest person. I don't feel our government is honest from experiences the US people have endured like the Contra Scandal, JFK, and all the CIA profiteering. The secretive organizations and agendas. Knowing Bush is an Oil Tycoon, then watching him take presidency to go to war and militarize the world's 2nd largest Oil depot. After it all settles, we own and profit from all this oil. Do you realize every aspect of our Human Habbitat today is dependent on oil? Water, food, transportation, power, War Complex, etc. Do you think that the leaders in a time of scarcity will share they're oil with you? They will hoard it for War and other agendas that benefit them and their selected business partners. I don't even want to get into what the people are going to do and how we will be 'kept'. Martial Law exercises already taking place inside the US against US civilians too; not too mention the Hurricane Katrina and it's private BlackWater operations funded by Tax payers for the rich.... Either way, we will all HAVE to come to our sense when we are forced to change are way of life. When oil becomes scarce the laws and policies will change. Wars, death and famine. We have just became oil addicts about 50-70 years ago and it's already going fast! And we have made ourselves majorly dependent on this 1 resource! It's Impossible that we can live on oil forever. But if we never change then what.... -To better answer your question. I have no point by posting these videos. I just enjoy making people use their brains in a way they don't always want too...Truth Hurts... note: I know none of this is new. I know that the Human Race has been this way from Day 1. I just think it's sad when innocent people die while we happily go on supporting the system that continues this cycle. Our own soldiers are losing their minds over this war and it's because most were brought up with morals that they now have to reject. our troops helping an Iraq family American Soldier Taunts kid with Water Bottle- Just Driving a HumV through town... Love this Soldiers attitude about Iraw Kids Or search the one where the US Soldiers throw a puppy off a cliff and laugh at it's dead body... Make's me so Proud |
You need to provide a warning for that one.  I couldn't bear it long enough to see if there was actually a point to it.I hope for your mum's sake that wasn't you. 
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I've seen Justin in real. I can confirm this is indeed him... 
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Guilty, that is in fact my vampire get up. |
Dude, are you serious? |
I know. I couldn't tell at 1st with all your make-up but when you looked to the side I was able to get a decent profile
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lol... are you? Don't do it... It's a BS Conspiracy... Hard Evidence means nothing really, I believe Fox |
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I recommend you Ignore our X-Economist Hitman John Perkins too. He is obviously in it for the money, Just like Paul Oneil who also work close with Bush, lol, I guess he's a liar too; Since he donated all his book's earnings... John Perkins- American Economist Hitman Paul Oneil |
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It is no secret that we are dependant on oil, and that he made much of his fortune from it. But just because someone has a history making money (and he is no billionare) on a needed commodity, why does that make him evil? Of course we have to look at the feasibility of other ways of supporting industries with other sources of energy. Nuclear would clearly be the best, as long as the safety issues are taken into consideration, and we could hopefully eliminate the threat of unstable areas converting to weapon use. Corn (ethanol) will be shown to be more trouble than it is worth, thanks to the skyrocketing prices of the farmland, limited areas to farm enough, and of course the economic impact on our food market (since corn is the biggest feed source for all livestock, and used in practically every food, and then some.) Is there a direct correlation proved beyond a doubt that we invaded Iraq for oil? Why not invade other countries that supply just as much? I have a problem with the conspiracy theories because I do not see anything beyond circumstancial (at best) that this was the underlying motive for going into the Middle East. Unless one has seen and heard everything the politicians and generals have obtained to come to conclusions as to how and why and when, it is difficult to assume what the motives are for some policies and operations. Normally it is with compromise, and having to forsake life for security (safety, economic, etc.) We are blessed that we volunteer for our military, as opposed to being required as citizens to serve a mandatory time. We can also post videos and comments on public forum. If there was a true conspiracy involving the assasination of JFK, why haven't more disappeared? Don't you think with all the information good and bad floating around, we would have more scenarios reminiscint of Cuba, Myanmar, and other regimes that routinelly detain or kill conscientous objectors? When it comes to greed, the U.N., World Bank, and many other countries (not democratic republics) have been exposed to commiting crimes against the people they were supposed to serve. Where is the evidence that the U.S. is the same? ETA....I did not see soldiers going against their moral principles. If they get off doing that crap, that was how they were BEFORE. There are many more soldiers who help, than do that crap. Unfortunately, there will always be a few assholes that get the fame, while the real men of honor go on. |
youtube.com/watch?v=D7_4ttx7rQU |
Right on man. You're entitled to that. I honor your decision to 'Defend Me' but I would rather wait for someone to come to my door step & take my chances alone. Even if chance of survival was slim, it would be a 'Fight' I would enjoyed dying for. I honor all of our troops who are honorable. I condemn those who are acting like facist jackass's like shown in these vids. I don't think all of our leaders or all of our troops are bad. I just don think we have any business being there and It is clear to me that alot of people have been tricked into thinking this is necessary. Iraq was a sovereign nation and we invaded it through a new aggresive foreign policy. Iraq is not the most oppressive nation in the world, many many worse places to be alive. don't buy that moral value story. Our War machine only drives for profit I am not an American. I live in America... This isn't going in a positive direction so I'll leave this shit alone, thanks for participating in my case study. None the less, I've stated how I feel and sparked some brains in the process |
This coming from you does not surprise me. You are nothing more then a bleeding heart liberal sissy. This posts makes me remember something you said to me awhile ago... "If we were standing face to face you would talk to me that way.." Your right, I wouldn't. I would be louder and more of an asshole. Since you openly admit your not an American, they nobody gives a rat fuck what you think. So if you dont like it, get the fuck out! Take your liberal views, your lame ass sob story about "surviving" in the wilderness and pound sand. ETA: Should I warn the mods that a flood of IMs demanding I am banned is heading their way? I mean that is after all what happened the last time you and I disagreed. Crying and whining..."Cape hunter was mean to me...ban him!"  Sissy. |
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Democrats during and after Operation Desert Fox Operation Desert Fox we almost went to war in 98 99. I was there in Kuwait and Qatar..did jack crap. yep....it's all Bush's fault. Now all your democrat friends are saying we were duped. it's Bush's fault. Clinton took 3 divisions over there in 99 and we nearly almost did it....now everyone is saying.....and having memory problems forgetting we ever went there almost to invade him in 99. He took hostages....wouldn't play ball anymore. Bah... Everyone was duped. Every frigging intelligence was duped from every country. I'm glad we went and did it and got him out. Personally...it would have been better if a coup or something was done but he had it coming. Oil or no oil....it was bound to happen. Don't forget..Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act back then and now..its Bushes fault. right... |
Worth repeating here.
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Everyone has there own opinions here and are free to discuss if they do it civilly. Rallysoob I believe that you will find many here that don't agree with you take on this, but I believe you probably already know this and hence this thread. I DO believe in a healthy debate now and then is a very good thing if it is done with reasonable thoughts. What is reasonable? That's the kicker there as that's very objective/relative to the individual. This is a friendly warning to keep things civil! Debate with making points and counter points.  And Cape....... I've cleared most of my IM box in anticipation. |
hmmm, I have been attacked by cape once again...  NO REALLY! Are you going to ban him? He did call me a few names just now. Is it ok for me to return fire with some names of my own Nox? if not, you need to do something about Cape's violation here, No? If it is ok to call eachother names, I need to know. Because I have been going about this all too logicaly 'initial IM's sent' |
You're girlfriend has been 'Saved' Commense evil poetry of love... |
How dare you... do you think that because you've read some things in the media and seen some vids on youboob that you are some expert and these guys are out there having a blast as though they are on vacation? You may not agree with the war and everything that goes on over there. Damnit, these guys are the ones who lay it on the line to allow you to have those thoughts. Show some respect. Your closed-minded tirades make you look like a fool. You do not appear educated and informed. You are not making people think. You are playing devil's advocate (at best) or espousing general hatred for America and everything we stand for. Sam, you need to grow up. These discussions may be great with you and your hipster friends, but you are in a public forum with people who have DECADES more experience in the world than you and we WILL call you out. There is no 'win' here. You are here addressing many current and former military men. They take personal offense to your comments and anti-American rants. You have stated before that you have gone through more than we could ever know. Son, you know nothing of the face of war and battle. I believe that everyone would appreciate these types of posts cease. There are many other places you can post such with people who would be more receptive. That is all. BTW... I own Page 2 IBTIL
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Yes I understand your place in the matter. I don't feel that I am being anti-american though. I believe in what our founding fathers have set forth for us and I believe that our government today is letting them down. If you don't, that is your opinion. in regards to our founding Fathers, I say your attitude is Anti-American Persecute me all you wan't, I have simply posted a few vids for peeps to make their own opinions from. I do not condone one type of thinking or I would be just the same as them. be open minded, and no, that doesn't mean smoke pot It means learn the truths, learn what is corrupt, learn who is avoiding cheks and balances in our system and who is benefitting.... It's not in the interest of everyone to seek actual truth. But some are obsessed. Consider the Free Masons network for example Again, I honor our honorable troops. But I will not celebrate the death of 1 innocent person -I was going back and forth in IM with PRDUBI and he mentioned how we all are united in our will to protect our 2nd ammendment rights. This is true! What I am saying is that I think we will be at threat sooner or later. I think when our worlds resource 'oil' becomes scarce our rights will change. I think every single aspect of the Human experience will change to some major degree. |
You are doing nohthing but trolling. "-To better answer your question. I have no point by posting these videos. I just enjoy making people use their brains in a way they don't always want too...Truth Hurts.." What you really enjoy is the attention. Why? Because your an attention whore. Always seeking attention whether good or bad. Always looking for the next topic to stir the shit. |
Are you kidding me Cape? when I have came on here looking for attention man? lame You are the one that seeks praise amongst the Arfcomers. I actually have a real life that keeps me busy thanks... I just came across these things somewhat recently and they have had an impact on me. I understand what is and isn't true. I have eyes just like you. Am I not allowed to share? lets play, What if: What if, our gov actually got notice that a legitiamate attack was going to occur on US soil and did nothing to stop it? Would you be mad? I bet you would... Now go do some research using the Inteligence documents released in the last year and tell me that they did not know. More than 5 different Intelligence agencies had warned us. But we already knew... 1st time in history a fighter jet hadn't scrambled to a hijacked plane. we needed a new aggressive policy and the only way it would work was an attack. |
Oh. My. God. Are you a Truther? If you actually beleive that crap, I have nothing to say to you, and will put you on my ignore list. Anyone that believes that crap needs a beatdown. Nick |
Nick's a classic example of how most American's Stand right now... I think in 20 years you will understand -I have a real life to attend to for the rest of the day, will be check'n back tomorrow... |
 to the last paragraph!! You have gone off the deep end. If you believe the our government was behind 9/11, your a nut job.So, you have: Said your not american Posted video from the liberal left using a soldier to get its anti bush agenda accross Posted anti isreali propaganda. And now hinting at you thinking 9/11 was qan inside job You are a nut. Oh and stop the IMs asking to be your friend. I despise people like you and dont make it a habit of associating with them. I actually go out of my way to avoid them because nothing good will come from it. SO Rally, again, if you hate this country so much, GET THE FUCK OUT. Its as simple as that. I am and American and proud of it.  |
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I hope nobody actually believes 9/11 was set-up. Did the US have a clue that a terrorist attack could happen, yep. Same way you know your house could be empty when you come home- doesn't mean you can prevent it. Is Bush an idiot? Clearly. (Yep, I voted for him, too, 1st term) Should we have gone to Iraq? Dunno,......prob not, but does that mean we should leave now? Hell No. See comments by Mrs CamoKen- who is clearly an open minded individual. World going to shit? It's a matter of perspective. So much better than ever in many respects. Yep, people are starving, tortured, etc, etc. What is new about this? The difference is that now you can see it on Youtube 10mins after the fact. It has and will continue to happen. If you want to change the world go out in it and do so....better yet; help your neighbor. It's the little things that count and add up to make the world a better place. Info travelling at the speed of light (ok, fast) is both good and bad. The world is much the same as it always was, but the spread of info has changed things a bunch. When the stock market sells because of a "hostile activity" in Nigeria......it's not good (just a sample)- once upon a time that info would take a few days at best to get "here" and by then tensions have moderated. The speed & spread of info has increased tensions in the world in ways (I think)people don't think about and not for the better. And John McC id clearly the best cand for POTUS, tho that doesn't say a whole lot. Don't forget; He rolled while a POW, he may do it again! Ultimately I think both left, right & those in between all want the same. Why can't we all get along! Just think, NO left or right, no two party system and we may have a chance to have a real POTUS. OK...everybody can hate me now:o) |
He was when I met him the two times seemed good to go, little did I know that my two retarded videos would make more sense then anything he posted. Guess you cant judge a book by its cover
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YOu need to GTFO of America then if you dont feel that you are an American as far as I am concerned. |
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Soob, Allow me to be the first to invite you to the next ORHTF shoot. Then maybe we can have a face to face talk about all this  . As for now I will just ignore your foolishness and hope that you just go away.And for the record, I WILL speak "that" way to you to your face.  cack |
Okay, count to 10.....the question is, WOULD/have you renounced citizenship then? To say that you are NOT an American, would assume you would rescind all rights and priviliges thereof.....including that Walmart Government Rebate Shopping card 
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I will be there for hugs. |
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