Posted: 8/16/2006 6:26:47 PM EDT
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Rumor has it there was a .223 suppressor group buy awhile back. Which one did you go with, who did you get them from, and how much $$ were they? |
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I did not participate in the Tac-16 group buy, but wish I did. I have been thinking about getting a 223 can one these days have been considering the Gemtech Halo or YHM cans. I have heard alot of good things about both of these cans, and they are still fairly affordable. OK as far as suppressors go. I have fired a couple mebers Tac-16's and I think they are a great can for the money. There are many here that can answer your questions better than I since I am still a novice. I would contact Pat at PC Arms to see if he has anything available, or to just pick his brain. |
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I bought one of the Tac-16s and like it so far, but haven't much used it yet due to the firearms I have that it fits currently. I have been thinking about boring it out so I can use it on my 9mm carbine and buying a YHM with a quick detach for the AR. I'd look into the YHM as a good first cost effective choice right now. |
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I'm shopping for one now. I've narrowed it to 3: Hurricane XL by SRT YHM Ops Inc 12th model The Hurricane is supposed to be super quiet. I already have 1 SRT product and am very happy with it. The Ops Inc is supposed to be built like a tank, fully welded and have good suppression. The YHM is a good price and has the quick detach. Supposed to be a quality product, but it's new to the market. I'm drifting away from the idea of a QD. I have no "operational need" for one, and it's easier to swap uppers than a hot can. Cost is the only drawback. |
How much are each of these? |
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I bought one of the Tac 16s. In terms of value for money I think its as good as it gets. It is not the world's quietest, but I will argue that with 223 there are pracical limits where it really makes no difference. The reason is that once you have quietened the muzzle blast down to a certain level, any further reductions are masked by the very loud supersonic crack from the 223 bullet. The Tac 16 brings it down to the point where you can shoot without hearing protection. The bullet crack is quite evident, and is really much louder than the muzzle blast - which is the opposite of the un-suppressed case. The only time the bullet crack is not a consideration is when you don't give it time to buld up (your target is <20' away) or when shooting subsonic ammo. Subsonic ammo mostly doesn't cycle an AR15. That which supposedly does is so expensive that I won't even buy one box to try it! Also - a subsonic 223 bullet is really not much more than a .22LR round, so there is really little point in shooting them -- just get a .22LR upper and a .22 suppressor if thats what you want. |
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talk to Pat at PCArms and have him demonstrate the TAC16 can he has and he also has a Triple XXX Warrior can. Make your decision on that if you wish but the TAC16 can is well worth the money. You can spend about 300-400 bucks more for a better can but like the others say, anything after the muzzle blast suppression is just that, extra gravy. I cannot fathom spending another 500 bucks or so for a AAC or Surefire just to get that extra 4 decibels. Silverstein on silencertest metered it out and it came out to about 3-4 decibel difference between the AAC m4 can and the TAC16. it's more bills and to each his own but I'm happy with the TAC16 can, it does the job |
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If money and time was not an issue, I'd go after the Ops inc 12th. I've read quite a bit about them and have not seen anything negative written or reported on them yet. But, on that note, any supressor is a good one. I think nohair has a warrior that the bore was anything but concentric after multiple baffle strikes, yet it still sounds great. (may be the moss and other fungi that was growing inside it though  )Just be carefull of any reivews of silvers period, he is very biased towards AAC for a reason
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email me. I did order the Group Buy for the TAC16's. Craig gives one price for ordering one, then cheaper if you order 3, 5, 10. I actually have a couple Cops interested in picking one a couple up, so maybe we can get the 3 or 5 price. I would prefer NOT going another group-buys on the TAC-16's, not that there is anything wrong with the can, but I would like to compare as many different ones as we can. The NEXT Manufacture I am interested in, would be HTG. We have one of his .22's coming in soon, and his .223 can is supposed to be one of the best. And YES, SAS has been an outstanding product, and I don't think his prices can be beat, but again, I would really like to see what else is out there. Another customer just ordered a Gemtech M4-02 .223 can should be here in a week or so . . . Just please, do research into CUSTOMER SERVICE, QUALITY, and price. Pat Oregon Research Labs, LLC |
I haven't heard it yet, but he is bring some to Albany in a couple weeks for me to check out. He did say he might do a GB for us, probably "Mix & Match" Pat |
So the way I see it, unless you ONLY shoot .40, I would go .45, so you can have MORE options. I know a couple people who shoot .22 through their 9mm cans . . . (I wouldn't do it the other way though) hehehehe  Pat |
yep he's mentioned to me a couple times his .22 can no problem, and he really likes his 9mm can. |
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I finally had a chance to compare my tac16 with a friend's GT M4-96. Any difference between the two was just personal preference since 3 people though the GT was quieter and the other 3 people thought the Tac16 was quieter. The tac16 seemed to throw less gas back in my face. |
My brother-in-law is also interested in a .223 can, so we'd just need to find a third. P.S. I was the one e-mailing you on the Five seveN earlier this week. |
Sounds good. P.S. You and 100 other people, but no one has "SHOWN ME THE MONEY" Pat |
Well, my wife decided she wants to do IPSC and wanted an XD9 (This is Gunkata telling me I should have forced her to use my G19  ) so funds have dried up a bit. I'm trading those much needed golf lessons (my game has gone to hell) for the AR-15 
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Well, finally got out to TCGC to try out my new TROS Envoy 223 can (ran into Gackman too). It sounded pretty good to me, definitely safe to shoot w/o hearing protection. The shot sounded much like a loud .22. I was actually surprised about how much it reduced the muzzle blast. On my old SP-1 there was very little gas blown back at me, not enough to warrant a gas buster but it does require glasses. I think I might not ever go back to shooting unsuppressed. All I need is a good .40 can and I'm set! |
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On gas blow-back: This *seems* to depend more on the rifle than the can. I seem to be lucky, I get very little with my Tac 16. But I remember a photo of WS4LIF at a PR event where he used his Tac 16 -- and he looked like he was just coming off an 8 hour shift in a coal mine! Depending on your luck, and how mch shooting you do with the can, a gas-buster may be something to put on your "future additions" list. |
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Haven't experience any serious blow back on my rifle with the can on it. Got a old school OLY SBR SGW stop sign receiver with a Colt m4a3 SOCOM upper...and it hasn't really bothered me on the blowback with my tac16 can... I can guess that to each his own but for me...no problems yet... |
Thanks. /dodges bullet Now that's THREE cans I have to buy... 
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As soon as I get off my ass and get the paperwork done for my SF 5.56 can I'll bring it out and we can play with it. |