[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Out of Gasoline (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/17/2016 11:16:31 AM EDT
| Heard Blairsville is out of gasoline due to pipeline break. Station at walmart here was out of everything but the ethanol free.Station was a madhouse this morning. |
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Just heard the Gov. say this was a "state of emergency...like a mini-hurricane."
AL, TN and GA Declare State of Emergency 
this happened a while back up north here with some gas pipeline--where I then went out and bought LOCKING GAS CAPS for all my vehicles. back then I caught one SOB trying to swipe a 5 gal can of gas outta my barn in broad daylight! ...he didn't get too far humping 5 gals of gas....easy to run to ground! |
this is why i have several of these (15 gallon drums). got into this for two reasons, first the hurricane several years ago and secondly i sometimes run e85 in one of my cars (tuned turbo) and i like to keep it stored instead of driving a distance just to top off.
they are starting to run out in marietta. several places i checked only had low grade, mid and high test out. both of my cars are turbo's so i need the top grade. |
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Where all is this supposed to affect? I've got everything I could want in my AO near Savannah. So far it's in the Atlanta and Augusta metro areas. Those two are on the Colonial Pipeline route. Savannah may not be getting most of their fuel from that pipeline, maybe from a different source. |
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https://helena.colonialresponse.com/
In case you wanna see the company response and progress |
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Any reports along I-75 coming out of FL? My wife is supposed to be driving home from her father's house today. She says FL was fine yesterday, but filled up to be safe. Unfortunately she can't make it home on one tank of gas. She's hoping to fill up again at the FL line, or in south GA, and bring it home on fumes.
Anybody know how the fuel situation looks in south GA? Or middle GA for that matter? I'd hate for her to leave from down there and end up getting stranded! |
the blowout and spill:
Aerial photo of two of the three mine water retention ponds at the site of a pipeline leak that spilled an estimated 250,000 gallons of gasoline in Shelby County, Ala. The retention pond on the right is where the gasoline has been contained. (Courtesy Colonial Pipeline)
BillyMcDanal--Landowner Near the Spill |
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Any reports along I-75 coming out of FL? My wife is supposed to be driving home from her father's house today. She says FL was fine yesterday, but filled up to be safe. Unfortunately she can't make it home on one tank of gas. She's hoping to fill up again at the FL line, or in south GA, and bring it home on fumes. Anybody know how the fuel situation looks in south GA? Or middle GA for that matter? I'd hate for her to leave from down there and end up getting Middle and south GA have a pipeline branch that extends almost to Florida. Whether it comes off off Colonial or Plantation, or both, I don't know. That may make the difference. But Florida gets fuel shipped across the gulf. The terminals have days' worth of gasoline and diesel on hand at all times, but the frenzy has caused increased demand, so... They're really lucky the pipeline failed in an area where a retention pond could hold the full 250,000 gallons of product. People don't realize that the very same Colonial and Plantation pipelines pass through their neighborhoods, next to school playgrounds, etc. |
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Douglasville area is starting to be affected. Several stations are out, including the ones I use regularly. Found the same in my area, between D'ville and Carrollton. Only one station I found that has gas now but will only sell $25 worth at an inflated price. |
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Any reports along I-75 coming out of FL? My wife is supposed to be driving home from her father's house today. She says FL was fine yesterday, but filled up to be safe. Unfortunately she can't make it home on one tank of gas. She's hoping to fill up again at the FL line, or in south GA, and bring it home on fumes. Anybody know how the fuel situation looks in south GA? Or middle GA for that matter? I'd hate for her to leave from down there and end up getting stranded! South ga is fine, some of Perry is out of gas. |
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Any reports along I-75 coming out of FL? My wife is supposed to be driving home from her father's house today. She says FL was fine yesterday, but filled up to be safe. Unfortunately she can't make it home on one tank of gas. She's hoping to fill up again at the FL line, or in south GA, and bring it home on fumes. Anybody know how the fuel situation looks in south GA? Or middle GA for that matter? I'd hate for her to leave from down there and end up getting stranded! Prices are up in the Albany area, but I haven't heard anything about any supply shortfalls. |
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#2 is up it's just #1 that was affected. #2 carries different distillates but with the right buffers they can push non-kerosene/non-diesel in #2. Also, this time of year, there should be slack in #2 so gasoline could still flow in #2 at a reduced rate (if they reallocate the pushes) and over the road tankering is possible too. I'd imagine things will settle down after the "shock" of the weekend. Quoted:
So far it's in the Atlanta and Augusta metro areas. Those two are on the Colonial Pipeline route. Savannah may not be getting most of their fuel from that pipeline, maybe from a different source. Quoted:
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Where all is this supposed to affect? I've got everything I could want in my AO near Savannah. So far it's in the Atlanta and Augusta metro areas. Those two are on the Colonial Pipeline route. Savannah may not be getting most of their fuel from that pipeline, maybe from a different source. Savannah also can take ocean going tankered fuel. |
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Should I chance driving from Newnan to Augusta tomorrow afternoon? How's the gas supply along I 20? For the time being we have gas at exit #114 Madison/Hwys 129 & 441 on I-20. Nearly all the stations had a car at each pump, with one or two folks appearing to be waiting their turns. The price currently ranges from $1.99 - $2.19, and I have heard of no rationing yet. My wife will be filling up when she gets home tonight and I'll try to update this then. Obviously things are in flux. I'm of the opinion that if the trip is not necessary, I'd prolly put it off a few days to let things settle down a bit. But, if you can't wait, and happen to be near Madison, and get desperate, I've got a can with a few gallons in it out at the range..... 
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it.
Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ |
| I was coming from range this afternoon in Jasper and wife called about this and said to fill up. Checked multiple gas stations vicinity Jasper and only with fuel left was Kroger so I was able to fill up. Came home and took my wife's car to Canton GA and found one out of the way small station that only had Premium left and filler her car up. Going to be very interesting to see impact in Atlanta when all the commuters cannot get fuel to commute. Probably teleworking a few days. |
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. |
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How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. Quoted:
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. A few years maybe. I was reading up on some of the fuel stablizers. Only good place I have to store it now is my garage, which obviously has some temperature swings. |
| Hopefully by this coming weekend some of it is alleviated..................my wife and I were planning on going to Orlando on Sunday, but I'd hate to get down there, fill up to come back and get into Georgia and not find any.............I filled the wife's car up and my truck up today, and since I have a work truck that my employer provides gas for ( we have fuel tanks at each headquarters) the personal truck can stay parked, and the wife's KIA gets excellent mileage |
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A few years maybe. I was reading up on some of the fuel stablizers. Only good place I have to store it now is my garage, which obviously has some temperature swings. Quoted:
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. A few years maybe. I was reading up on some of the fuel stablizers. Only good place I have to store it now is my garage, which obviously has some temperature swings. 1-2 years would be doable if the fuel is good when you get it. If you are going to store that amount of it in your garage I would probably not bother with going to lots of trouble to store it. A better plan would probably be to simply keep cycling the fuel. The day that you need just 20 gallons to get you through things will be a day when the time from the last time you cycled the fuel to when it is used up will still be in the expected shelf life of the fuel. That said, do remember that most gasoline containers now are required to be vented and that will be in your garage, so ventilation will be something to consider especially if your garage sees high temps. |
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For the time being we have gas at exit #114 Madison/Hwys 129 & 441 on I-20. Nearly all the stations had a car at each pump, with one or two folks appearing to be waiting their turns. The price currently ranges from $1.99 - $2.19, and I have heard of no rationing yet. My wife will be filling up when she gets home tonight and I'll try to update this then. Obviously things are in flux. I'm of the opinion that if the trip is not necessary, I'd prolly put it off a few days to let things settle down a bit. But, if you can't wait, and happen to be near Madison, and get desperate, I've got a can with a few gallons in it out at the range..... Quoted:
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Should I chance driving from Newnan to Augusta tomorrow afternoon? How's the gas supply along I 20? For the time being we have gas at exit #114 Madison/Hwys 129 & 441 on I-20. Nearly all the stations had a car at each pump, with one or two folks appearing to be waiting their turns. The price currently ranges from $1.99 - $2.19, and I have heard of no rationing yet. My wife will be filling up when she gets home tonight and I'll try to update this then. Obviously things are in flux. I'm of the opinion that if the trip is not necessary, I'd prolly put it off a few days to let things settle down a bit. But, if you can't wait, and happen to be near Madison, and get desperate, I've got a can with a few gallons in it out at the range..... Mrs. Emu made it home tonight, but she said gas was getting scarce. The last place she stopped at only had premium for $2.65. She filled up. I was at the I-20 Madison exit this evening about 6:30. Three stations were out. The Flash Foods had fuel, but when I filled up there every pump had a car at it with 3 cars waiting. The cashier said they were just about out. The Pilot still had gas, but again, every pump had a car, and there were about 6 cars waiting. I would be very surprised if there is any gas left in Madison by morning, unless a tanker or two arrive during the night. Diesel seems to be a bit more avaiable. I don't believe that I would want to attempt any sort of journey until that pipeline is repaired and the stations are topped up again.... JMHO, and worth exactly what you paid for it. <= Is VERY pleased he has a full tank and only an 11 mile, country road, commute to work!!! |
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1-2 years would be doable if the fuel is good when you get it. If you are going to store that amount of it in your garage I would probably not bother with going to lots of trouble to store it. A better plan would probably be to simply keep cycling the fuel. The day that you need just 20 gallons to get you through things will be a day when the time from the last time you cycled the fuel to when it is used up will still be in the expected shelf life of the fuel. That said, do remember that most gasoline containers now are required to be vented and that will be in your garage, so ventilation will be something to consider especially if your garage sees high temps. Quoted:
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. A few years maybe. I was reading up on some of the fuel stablizers. Only good place I have to store it now is my garage, which obviously has some temperature swings. 1-2 years would be doable if the fuel is good when you get it. If you are going to store that amount of it in your garage I would probably not bother with going to lots of trouble to store it. A better plan would probably be to simply keep cycling the fuel. The day that you need just 20 gallons to get you through things will be a day when the time from the last time you cycled the fuel to when it is used up will still be in the expected shelf life of the fuel. That said, do remember that most gasoline containers now are required to be vented and that will be in your garage, so ventilation will be something to consider especially if your garage sees high temps. Thanks. |
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ How long is long term to you? Ideally you would want fuel that lacks ethanol and is not reformulated (RFG) to start as a base to store. To store it you would then want a sealable steel containment vessel (not plastic) without copper brazing and you would want it to stay cool and prevent temperature swings (the best bet is to bury it, BUT there are a lot of EPA regulations with buried tanks and if you get caught burying fuel for storage you're gonna get "loved tenderly"). The tank should have the ability to bottom bleed so you can put a filter on it and pull water out as it condenses and settles to the bottom of the tank. You'll need to treat it with a fuel stabilizer and keep headspace to a minimum but enough headspace to allow for expansion. You could also blanket the tank with nitrogen but the difficulty in doing it correctly probably would preclude that option. A few years maybe. I was reading up on some of the fuel stablizers. Only good place I have to store it now is my garage, which obviously has some temperature swings. 1-2 years would be doable if the fuel is good when you get it. If you are going to store that amount of it in your garage I would probably not bother with going to lots of trouble to store it. A better plan would probably be to simply keep cycling the fuel. The day that you need just 20 gallons to get you through things will be a day when the time from the last time you cycled the fuel to when it is used up will still be in the expected shelf life of the fuel. That said, do remember that most gasoline containers now are required to be vented and that will be in your garage, so ventilation will be something to consider especially if your garage sees high temps. Thanks. 3+ years stored in a NATO jerry can with a quality rubber gasket seal. When I opened it to dump in my tacoma I got the nice "pssssh" venting sound and the fuel ran like new. No stablizers needed if the storage is completely air tight and not vented at all during storage. |
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ 3-6 months max. |
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ 3-6 months max. You can store gas for years with the right set up. With These cans and some PRI-G I have kept gas for two years. Jerry Cans |
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You can store gas for years with the right set up. With These cans and some PRI-G I have kept gas for two years. Jerry Cans Quoted:
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I feel very fortunate that I can telecommute as much as I want. Do have to go into the office and lay hands on some equipment. Might ride my bicycle for the fun of it. Question for the fuel nerds. Is there a way to reliably store gasoline for long periods of time? I'd probably keep ~ 20 gallons at the most. From these pics, looks like a massive response. https://helena.colonialresponse.com/imagesvideo/ 3-6 months max. You can store gas for years with the right set up. With These cans and some PRI-G I have kept gas for two years. Jerry Cans Yes in ideal situations. With a plastic vented can 3-6 months is about all you are gonna get. There are methods to increase your storage, as discussed earlier, but doesn't really seem feasible for ~20 gallons. Yes metal cans are the way to go, most of us don't have them though. I have at least 20 cans, from 5 gallon to one gallon, not one of which is metal.  Many of these were collected shortly after Katrina, when there were NO cans to be found. Gas was in short supply also, mostly due to power outage, couldn't pump it. Well they did close down most of the rigs for a while also.
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Mrs. Emu made it home tonight, but she said gas was getting scarce. The last place she stopped at only had premium for $2.65. She filled up. I was at the I-20 Madison exit this evening about 6:30. Three stations were out. The Flash Foods had fuel, but when I filled up there every pump had a car at it with 3 cars waiting. The cashier said they were just about out. The Pilot still had gas, but again, every pump had a car, and there were about 6 cars waiting. I would be very surprised if there is any gas left in Madison by morning, unless a tanker or two arrive during the night. Diesel seems to be a bit more avaiable. I don't believe that I would want to attempt any sort of journey until that pipeline is repaired and the stations are topped up again.... JMHO, and worth exactly what you paid for it. <= Is VERY pleased he has a full tank and only an 11 mile, country road, commute to work!!! Quoted:
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Should I chance driving from Newnan to Augusta tomorrow afternoon? How's the gas supply along I 20? For the time being we have gas at exit #114 Madison/Hwys 129 & 441 on I-20. Nearly all the stations had a car at each pump, with one or two folks appearing to be waiting their turns. The price currently ranges from $1.99 - $2.19, and I have heard of no rationing yet. My wife will be filling up when she gets home tonight and I'll try to update this then. Obviously things are in flux. I'm of the opinion that if the trip is not necessary, I'd prolly put it off a few days to let things settle down a bit. But, if you can't wait, and happen to be near Madison, and get desperate, I've got a can with a few gallons in it out at the range..... Mrs. Emu made it home tonight, but she said gas was getting scarce. The last place she stopped at only had premium for $2.65. She filled up. I was at the I-20 Madison exit this evening about 6:30. Three stations were out. The Flash Foods had fuel, but when I filled up there every pump had a car at it with 3 cars waiting. The cashier said they were just about out. The Pilot still had gas, but again, every pump had a car, and there were about 6 cars waiting. I would be very surprised if there is any gas left in Madison by morning, unless a tanker or two arrive during the night. Diesel seems to be a bit more avaiable. I don't believe that I would want to attempt any sort of journey until that pipeline is repaired and the stations are topped up again.... JMHO, and worth exactly what you paid for it. <= Is VERY pleased he has a full tank and only an 11 mile, country road, commute to work!!! I talked to my customer in Augusta, and he said that gas is plentiful, so I'm going to give it a try. If you see a guy on I-20 wearing a leather speedo and hockey mask, hijacking cars for their fuel, that's probably me. 
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3+ years stored in a NATO jerry can with a quality rubber gasket seal. When I opened it to dump in my tacoma I got the nice "pssssh" venting sound and the fuel ran like new. No stablizers needed if the storage is completely air tight and not vented at all during storage. No, just dumping fuel into a jerry can will not get reliable 3+ year storage. |
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The Kroger on the corner of Shallowford and Johnson Ferry just got topped off by the fuel tanker truck as of 7pm. All you peeps in the East Cobb, west Roswell area go for it. Lines are long though, probably 30 minutes wait.
I filled up this morning at Costco before everybody wakes up, no line and $1.99 a gallon. |