Posted: 8/2/2012 8:58:40 AM EDT
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Does anyone know how to get in contact with them? I have one of their lowers and want to get a matching C3 upper.
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| From what I heard, they just had a judgement against them in court and are going out of business. This is good. I always hated Buzz and his clowns. If you really wanna get ahold of them, try going through Head Down Products. One of the owners (Dave) used to work for Buzz. I don't like dealing with Head Down either. Good luck. |
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From what I heard, they just had a judgement against them in court and are going out of business. This is good. I always hated Buzz and his clowns. If you really wanna get ahold of them, try going through Head Down Products. One of the owners (Dave) used to work for Buzz. I don't like dealing with Head Down either. Good luck. What happened?? |
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From what I heard, they just had a judgement against them in court and are going out of business. This is good. I always hated Buzz and his clowns. If you really wanna get ahold of them, try going through Head Down Products. One of the owners (Dave) used to work for Buzz. I don't like dealing with Head Down either. Good luck. What happened?? I believe he owes some people some money |
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From what I heard, they just had a judgement against them in court and are going out of business. This is good. I always hated Buzz and his clowns. If you really wanna get ahold of them, try going through Head Down Products. One of the owners (Dave) used to work for Buzz. I don't like dealing with Head Down either. Good luck. What happened?? I believe he owes some people some money A LOT of it. He is a huge @SS-hole too. I know the whole scoop and considered making a thread on HD and C3. |
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Dave at Head Down Products is making his rifles out of bastard parts and is using the cheapest barrels he can find. He doesnt check headspacing or test fire the rifles. Doesnt even torque the barrel nut to specs. Better off buying from a reputable manufacturer/builder. I recommend not dealing with him or Buzz. |
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Quoted: From what I heard, they just had a judgement against them in court and are going out of business. This is good. I always hated Buzz and his clowns. If you really wanna get ahold of them, try going through Head Down Products. One of the owners (Dave) used to work for Buzz. I don't like dealing with Head Down either. Good luck. Wonderful. I have one of their lowers and the helical spring they'd installed for the pistol grip screw was too tight and when I tried unscrewing it, it pulled the insert out. I'd asked on their sight about whether I could get it repaired and never had a response, guess it's probably a paperweight now... |
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ROTAM, go easy. Some of us have known Buzz for years and know a little more than what you are spouting. He has helped a lot of us on this board. There are uppers available and email Buzz about the lower. I know that he will make good. Some divisions of the business are doing better than others. Gun manufacturing is not the money-tree that people think that it is. |
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When I was at a recent Eastman show back in may I walked up to a table from Beaver Creek Tactical that had C3 Defense lowers. I struck up a conversation about a problem I was having with my C3 lower not dropping PMags freely and the guy behind the table said to bring it and they would check it out and if it was a problem with the lower they would make it right. I don't remember all the details but I think he said something about them taking over for C3 defense front end selling or partnering with them or something, just don't recall all the details but Beaver Creek Tactical is located in Dallas, GA also. Any way it turns out the problem was with the some of the PMags I had being out of spec and not the lower. You could try to call Craig@ 404-787-4216 with Beaver creek tactical. Maybe they have some of the uppers or point you to some one who does.
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Wonderful. I have one of their lowers and the helical spring they'd installed for the pistol grip screw was too tight and when I tried unscrewing it, it pulled the insert out. I'd asked on their sight about whether I could get it repaired and never had a response, guess it's probably a paperweight now... They evidently didn't install it correctly. If you're out on this side of town I can take a look at it and should be able to fix you right up 
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Wonderful. I have one of their lowers and the helical spring they'd installed for the pistol grip screw was too tight and when I tried unscrewing it, it pulled the insert out. I'd asked on their sight about whether I could get it repaired and never had a response, guess it's probably a paperweight now... They evidently didn't install it correctly. If you're out on this side of town I can take a look at it and should be able to fix you right up
We'll be at your place the 12th!! PARTY AT WEST GEORGIA TACTICAL!! |
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[email protected] ROTAM, go easy. Some of us have known Buzz for years and know a little more than what you are spouting. He has helped a lot of us on this board. There are uppers available and email Buzz about the lower. I know that he will make good. Some divisions of the business are doing better than others. Gun manufacturing is not the money-tree that people think that it is. Your in no position to tell me to "go easy." This is a forum for discussion and my responses were appropriate, wether you agree or not. There was no profanity or threats. I am providing info to my fellow members. I may not be well known here, but I know C3 and HD much better than you think. Probably better than you, so don't tell me to "go easy" because my opinions are different from yours. |
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FYI: Dave at Head Down Products is making his rifles out of bastard parts and is using the cheapest barrels he can find. He doesnt check headspacing or test fire the rifles. Doesnt even torque the barrel nut to specs. Better off buying from a reputable manufacturer/builder. I recommend not dealing with him or Buzz. Bullshit. |
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FYI: Dave at Head Down Products is making his rifles out of bastard parts and is using the cheapest barrels he can find. He doesnt check headspacing or test fire the rifles. Doesnt even torque the barrel nut to specs. Better off buying from a reputable manufacturer/builder. I recommend not dealing with him or Buzz. Bullshit. Really buddy? What part? I know for sure. I'm sure that judgement against Buzz is BS too? Sounds like your affiliated with them. |
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[email protected] ROTAM, go easy. Some of us have known Buzz for years and know a little more than what you are spouting. He has helped a lot of us on this board. There are uppers available and email Buzz about the lower. I know that he will make good. Some divisions of the business are doing better than others. Gun manufacturing is not the money-tree that people think that it is. Your in no position to tell me to "go easy." This is a forum for discussion and my responses were appropriate, wether you agree or not. There was no profanity or threats. I am providing info to my fellow members. I may not be well known here, but I know C3 and HD much better than you think. Probably better than you, so don't tell me to "go easy" because my opinions are different from yours. Calling him an asshole seemed profane to me. You can have your opinion, but I don't have to let you rag a friend on an open forum. I spoke with Buzz and he will take care of both of these gentlemen, if they will email him their info. |
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I'm guessing you worked for Buzz? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have done a lot with the Laminate and Security divisions over the years. I have known Buzz for a very long time and he is a good guy, sometimes to a fault. That wasn't directed to you, sir. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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[email protected] ROTAM, go easy. Some of us have known Buzz for years and know a little more than what you are spouting. He has helped a lot of us on this board. There are uppers available and email Buzz about the lower. I know that he will make good. Some divisions of the business are doing better than others. Gun manufacturing is not the money-tree that people think that it is. Your in no position to tell me to "go easy." This is a forum for discussion and my responses were appropriate, wether you agree or not. There was no profanity or threats. I am providing info to my fellow members. I may not be well known here, but I know C3 and HD much better than you think. Probably better than you, so don't tell me to "go easy" because my opinions are different from yours. Calling him an asshole seemed profane to me. You can have your opinion, but I don't have to let you rag a friend on an open forum. I spoke with Buzz and he will take care of both of these gentlemen, if they will email him their info. Your opinion of your friend is not unbiased. I'll post my opinion about him, wether you like it or not. You have no control over what people post in forums. |
Guys, chill out a bit. I know a great deal about all of his business ventures, including those that cost me money personally, as well as a tidy sum of his personal life's story. While I'd advise people not to do business with anything even remotely related to C3, I think we should all take the higher road and keep personal bias out of this. The OP asked a simple question. We've had this conversation about buzz a hundred times. No need to to go kicking a dead mule. Let alone a rotten corpse of one. To the OP: you will have better luck buying a standard a3 upper from any of our numerous arfcom sponsors. I recommend BCM or Delton. But that is purely do to price. If you want a C3 upper just because, I know the machinists who is stuck with several hundred of them who would be happy to sell one or two. But they are stripped. IM and I'll ask him for price. |
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[email protected] ROTAM, go easy. Some of us have known Buzz for years and know a little more than what you are spouting. He has helped a lot of us on this board. There are uppers available and email Buzz about the lower. I know that he will make good. Some divisions of the business are doing better than others. Gun manufacturing is not the money-tree that people think that it is. Your in no position to tell me to "go easy." This is a forum for discussion and my responses were appropriate, wether you agree or not. There was no profanity or threats. I am providing info to my fellow members. I may not be well known here, but I know C3 and HD much better than you think. Probably better than you, so don't tell me to "go easy" because my opinions are different from yours. Calling him an asshole seemed profane to me. You can have your opinion, but I don't have to let you rag a friend on an open forum. I spoke with Buzz and he will take care of both of these gentlemen, if they will email him their info. Your opinion of your friend is not unbiased. I'll post my opinion about him, wether you like it or not. You have no control over what people post in forums. Things just became clearer. Grow up and have a nice day. I won't say another word. |
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If you want a C3 upper just because, I know the machinists who is stuck with several hundred of them who would be happy to sell one or two. But they are stripped. IM and I'll ask him for price. Hey KrazyL, could you PM me some contact info for these guys? I have a project they might be able to help with 
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I've worked for Buzz and I don't recall him being an asshole. Post some specifics about your personal interactions and dealings with Buzz and/or C3, ROTAM. I agree with the theory behind your post Bradd_D, but it'll lead to nothing productive.....its evident where "people" stand on this issue. Wish could all just be adults and communicate effectively.... |
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I appreciate everyone who has reached out to assist me with contact information. I did not intend for this tread to turn into a Buzz bashing.
If you had a bad experience in dealing with C3 Defense, or Buzz, shoot me a PM instead of attempting to slander someone on an open forum. Your personal dealings and experience are just that, yours. Although I do not know Buzz, I have a friend who does and has always said good things about him. As Bookhound said, there are at least two sides to every story. Again, thanks to those that have offered assistance, and that includes Buzz. DEUCES!! |
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There are always two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. In the gun business, there are a ton of companies that have treated some well and screwed others. That doesn't mean the middle in my book, it just means you haven't been screwed yet. |
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There are always two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. In the gun business, there are a ton of companies that have treated some well and screwed others. That doesn't mean the middle in my book, it just means you haven't been screwed yet. I don't know anything about C3 but I like this. It's not exclusive to the gun bizz and would be an accurate description of many businesses..... td |
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In the gun business it is almost impossible to turn a decent profit year after year. It is pretty hard just to cover recurring costs. There have been some good years in the last decade. But we hopefully will not have someone in public office in the future to drive gun sales.
The one line description of most gun related businesses is: The best way to get a million dollars in the business is to start off with two million. Also the best way to lose some good friends is to go into a gun business with them or have them invest in your business. |
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I will note that after posting this, Buzz has contacted me about repairing or replacing the lower and gave me his direct number, I will be contacting him next week as I'm currently on another continent enjoying beer without any additives and good sausages :-) I'll also note that C3 Defense has sent someone to at least one of the HTF shoots and gave away a lower at that shoot, at the time I hadn't tried installing the lower I'm having the issue with (the other lower purchased at the same time I haven't had any issues with, and they were recommended to me by a dealer on this site), otherwise I would have talked to that person about it (and I can't find his card currently). Quoted: Quoted: Wonderful. I have one of their lowers and the helical spring they'd installed for the pistol grip screw was too tight and when I tried unscrewing it, it pulled the insert out. I'd asked on their sight about whether I could get it repaired and never had a response, guess it's probably a paperweight now... They evidently didn't install it correctly. If you're out on this side of town I can take a look at it and should be able to fix you right up |
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In the gun business it is almost impossible to turn a decent profit year after year. It is pretty hard just to cover recurring costs. There have been some good years in the last decade. But we hopefully will not have someone in public office in the future to drive gun sales. The one line description of most gun related businesses is: The best way to get a million dollars in the business is to start off with two million. Also the best way to lose some good friends is to go into a gun business with them or have them invest in your business. I don't know how anybody makes it in the gun bizz..... I would have never made it through my 1st year in the gun bizz if not for the profit from the pawn side. td |
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I will note that after posting this, Buzz has contacted me about repairing or replacing the lower and gave me his direct number, I will be contacting him next week as I'm currently on another continent enjoying beer without any additives and good sausages :-) I'll also note that C3 Defense has sent someone to at least one of the HTF shoots and gave away a lower at that shoot, at the time I hadn't tried installing the lower I'm having the issue with (the other lower purchased at the same time I haven't had any issues with, and they were recommended to me by a dealer on this site), otherwise I would have talked to that person about it (and I can't find his card currently). Quoted:
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Wonderful. I have one of their lowers and the helical spring they'd installed for the pistol grip screw was too tight and when I tried unscrewing it, it pulled the insert out. I'd asked on their sight about whether I could get it repaired and never had a response, guess it's probably a paperweight now... They evidently didn't install it correctly. If you're out on this side of town I can take a look at it and should be able to fix you right up
So, you emailed him and never got a response. Now, after his friends contacted him and made him aware of the thread, you have now heard from him? Sounds like the Buzz I know. I was right. Someone commented that negative opinions or reviews shouldn't be posted on open forums. There are benefits to negative reviews and people on ARFcom should be aware of shady characters. I am glad you and the OP got helped. |
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If you want a C3 upper just because, I know the machinists who is stuck with several hundred of them who would be happy to sell one or two. But they are stripped. IM and I'll ask him for price. Did this ever go anywhere? If he has any that he'd be willing to sell, I'd be interested. |
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If you want a C3 upper just because, I know the machinists who is stuck with several hundred of them who would be happy to sell one or two. But they are stripped. IM and I'll ask him for price. Did this ever go anywhere? If he has any that he'd be willing to sell, I'd be interested. They are all in spec, they are just all in the white and stripped, I responded to a couple of guys then forgot about it with work and such. He does have them still. lots of them. I'll get a price and post it here. I make nothing on these so no one get mad and go report me as a non paying dealer again. |
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I don't know about c3, but the HD rifle that my wife has is one of my fav. guns. Great machining and a great shooter, would surely buy another. the barrel is a Daniel Defense isn't it  it is a nice rifle the upper and lower have a very nice fit. when i was looking for a 11.5 barrel, i tried contacting HD, even left Jacks name in the message, honestly that doesn't matter they never returned the call, it all worked out with a Daniel Defense barrel. like every company, you will get mixed reviews. i have always heard that C3 had great products, but the owner was VERY hard to deal with, that comes from several guys that live in Dallas/Hiram. i've assembled on a C3 lower and it turned out fine, so who knows
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