Posted: 4/11/2012 2:16:05 PM EDT
| I just heard that Zimmerman got charged with 2nd degree murder. Is this true or some bad joke? |
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I was also just told that the Waynesboro paper has on the front page a "Call to Unity and Prayer for Travon Martin". Participants are to show up wearing hoodies and holding a candle this Friday night at the city park. 
Where is the Reset Button? Anyone?  are you serious  if they wanted unity they would tell all the race baiters and the black panthers to shut the fuck up 
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| Well if Zimmerman approached him against the advice of the dispatcher he should be held somewhat responsible. Its one thing to defend yourself against an attacker. its another if you initiate a confrontation when there was no immediate threat, and it results in a death. Thats what police are for. We were not there so we can all speculate what happened, but if Zimmerman is at fault he just gave the anti gun groups some fire power. |
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2nd degree murder sounds harsh, so there must be more evidence that hasn't been released yet otherwise it would more than likely be manslaughter.
The only good thing for zimmerman now is he is in protected custody. Had they just dismissed his case, he would have been on the run the rest of his life. At least if he gets a fair trial and is aquitted, hopefully it will shake out better for him. Look at O.J. He wasn't hunted down in public all those years he was free until he got arrested for assault. |
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The problem is he will not get a fair trial... The media has poisoned the minds of America with their liberal BS. I have always said I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six but in this case I don't think it will matter. I can only hope for his sake he has a good lawyer and he has someone on the jury like us. Jury selection will be a problem with the media attention this has received...
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What other real choice did the special prosecutor have? If she'd have not brought charges, we'd be facing riots, property burnings, etc, etc. It's a shame that a potentially innocent victim was sacrificed, but that's just the way things are now.
As to Zimmerman's being responsible because he followed Martin, that's absurd. If Zimmerman's version is true, then he was returning to his vehicle when he was approached by 6'3" Martin, who asked Zimmerman if he "had a problem?" Zimmerman answered, "No" Martin then responded with an expletive and that Zimmerman "had a problem now." According to Zimmerman, Martin hit Zimmerman in the nose, knocking him down, then was pummeling him, beating his head on the sidewalk. There are two eye-witnesses who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. A 17-yr-old, 6'3" man isn't a child. When I was 17, I guarantee you I could have handled a 5'8" fatso like Zimmerman and could have either killed him with my bare hands or caused him great bodily harm. Sadly, even if the judge holding the "Stand Your Ground" hearing decides to throw the charges out, then we're once-again faced with the threats of "blood in the streets," riots, etc. |
| Zimmerman is free to follow anyone he wants to, just like every other citizen. If Martin was in a public place (sidewalk or public roadway) anyone can walk behind him. Martin would have only been justified to defend himself from an unlawful arrest if Zimmerman used forced to apprehend him, as Zimmerman had no "authority" or rights beyond that of the average citizen. He also had the right to carry a firearm. The dispatcher that Zimmerman talked to is likely not a sworn officer (as most are not) and can only advise Zimmerman not to follow. Zimmerman had every right to follow Martin. He was acting as what the law refers to as a "concerned citizen." To take it one step further, I would think Zimmerman would have had a right to follow Martin onto private property if he suspected Martin was trespassing or committing/about to commit a crime, especially if members of the neighborhood had given consent for neighborhood watch members to enter onto their property. Wether Martin liked being followed or not, doesnt matter. If someone chooses to follow me down the street, I dont have any say in the matter....its their right. If Zimmerman returned to his vehicle, the gold toothed "wanksa" POS should have kept walking home. |
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Well if Zimmerman approached him against the advice of the dispatcher he should be held somewhat responsible. Its one thing to defend yourself against an attacker. its another if you initiate a confrontation when there was no immediate threat, and it results in a death. Thats what police are for. We were not there so we can all speculate what happened, but if Zimmerman is at fault he just gave the anti gun groups some fire power. No, my left wing liberal friend, he shouldn't. Curious WHY he shouldn't? Because he had the right to follow Martin. Doesn't matter what the dispatched ADVISED. If Martin can be in a public place, what makes you think another citizen cannot? You have a lot to learn about law. |
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Sadly, even if the judge holding the "Stand Your Ground" hearing decides to throw the charges out, then we're once-again faced with the threats of "blood in the streets," riots, etc. What do you mean by "Stand you rground hearing?" You mean a Probable Cause hearing, or have I missed something in the news? |
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The problem is he will not get a fair trial... FAIR TRIAL? When the governor appoints a SPECIAL prosecutor, everyone chould know nothing is going to be fair. If the Seminole County DA hadnt charged him yet, why the hell does a governor need to appoint someone to do it? Must be a reason why the Seminole DA did not. I think the state prosecutor decided not to take the case to the grand jury because if it would have gotten "no-billed," Zimmerman could not have been charged for a crime again and the prosecutor (head hunter) just couldnt risk that. I dont think Zimmerman has had anything fair to this point and wont throughout the trial. The unfortunate thing is that even if he gets found not guilty, he can still be charged with depriving Martin of his civil rights on the federal level. Think about this. |
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The prosecutors are already saying that it will be hard to get a conviction on murder 2. Its a big show to try to calm down the savages. Its a win win for everyone that is politically involved. Except for the tax payers. And it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmermans call, to the Prosecutor was him saying lets just take it to trial so atleast we can get the facts out.
Zimmerman gets to speak his peace and the facts will probably clear him. He's probably only going to be out lawyer fees. If a lawyer doesnt decide to represent him for free, Or he doesnt get enough donations. But I have a feeling he's gonna be taken care of. Corey wins the most. because shes probably not going to have to put a man in jail who she feels is innocent. and she looks like the good guy because atleast she charged him and when he gets off she can say "I did my best, its the jury who let him off" thats if it doesnt get declared a mistrial. She probably knew she would have a hard time with manslaughter so she stuck him with a charge that makes imbiciles think, "Man they are trying to nail him to the wall." But in actuality its more like, "I dont even think we can get a manslaughter, so lets slam him with the most we can slam him with so it will be almost impossible to convict him, all while looking like we are doing our best." Also she isn't going to get lynched for letting him off. and there will be no damage to her political career. All while putting the inevitable riots off for a year or more so they can have time to prepare for another rodney king situation. WE win because that gives us all another year to prepare for the silliness that will ensue. However the biggest loser out right, is the Florida taxpayers. And we may all lose as this case has the ability to change the stand your ground laws here in GA. |
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And what's up with the separate Federal investigation going on? Since when is this a Federal crime? Holder is an asshat. The feds may try to get him for deprivation of Martin's rights. I dont want to go too far into it, but do some research. I think its BS for the feds to step in and charge someone after they have faced a trial in their state. Though they say Double Jeopordy doesnt apply, its total BS........ |
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Sadly, even if the judge holding the "Stand Your Ground" hearing decides to throw the charges out, then we're once-again faced with the threats of "blood in the streets," riots, etc. What do you mean by "Stand you rground hearing?" You mean a Probable Cause hearing, or have I missed something in the news? Apparently you have missed something. There can be, if Zimmerman's lawyer requests, a "Stand Your Ground" hearing that specifically deals with whether the Stand Your Ground law applies in this case. The judge could throw the charges out at that time, but probably won't regardless of the evidence, or the judge would probably find his house burned to the ground and his wife and kids and pets murdered, when he got home from court that day. 
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