Posted: 12/19/2010 3:56:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Tough call for a dog running at you with no restraint on the dog... Sorry but a dog shouldn't be left to roam free and this is why. So what's your call on free with the electric fence? Personally I've known dog to "break" out of the electric fence and bite a jogger back home. So I don't trust those things.
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| The dog was shot in it's owner's yard. I am not sure that I can understand any justification for this. The police were not investigating or attending to any business on this citizen's property. They were walking by the house. Don't officers carry pepper spray for precisely this kind of event? |
| I guess this means that if a dog charges us while we are out jogging we can pull our CCW, shoot and kill a dog. Right? Come on. We would be in Jail and sued so fast we would not even know what happened. This kind of shit pisses me off. We have alot of good LEOs out there and this just gives them a bad name. I can understand if the LEO is raiding a house or arresting its owner. But come on. Any dog will bark and defend its territory. Its in there nature. I have had many many dogs of all shapes and sizes charge me, bark or whatever. Even a pitbull once... I never ever felt like my life was in danger. Nothing alittle pepper spray, tazer, or baton wouldnt handle. |
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Tough call for a dog running at you with no restraint on the dog... Not a tough call at all IMHO. The dog was on its own property. The dog did not leave its property. I don't think the officer had the right to shoot the dog in this case (based on information I've read about the case). Quoted:
Sorry but a dog shouldn't be left to roam free and this is why. Agree! Unrestrained animals are subject to potential danger. If you love your pet and live in an area where the pet might encounter other people, you should restrain the animal. In this case it seems the restraint WAS present as an underground fence but that restraint was not visible to the officer. So, I don't think we can say this dog was "roaming free". |
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Tough call for a dog running at you with no restraint on the dog... Sorry but a dog shouldn't be left to roam free and this is why. So what's your call on free with the electric fence? Personally I've known dog to "break" out of the electric fence and bite a jogger back home. So I don't trust those things. Yep! In fact I have a jerk neighbor who believes his POS electric fence is a suitable restraint for his golden retriever. NOT! The damn dog comes out of its yard at least twice a month when I am walking my dogs. Happened just a couple nights ago in fact. The dog will follow us half way up the street. It has started venturing further down the road after us too. It is always growling, snarling, barking and acts (IMO) in an aggressive manner. |
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The dog was shot in it's owner's yard. I am not sure that I can understand any justification for this. The police were not investigating or attending to any business on this citizen's property. They were walking by the house. Don't officers carry pepper spray for precisely this kind of event? Agreed. I think the officer is at fault. I can't tell you how pissed off I'd be if that was my dog. |
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Nothing alittle pepper spray, tazer, or baton wouldnt handle. Actually, the agency I used to work for did some testing at the local pound with pepper spray and found that more often than not, it doesn't really work that well on dogs. As for the taser - what do you do after you've given the dog the charge? I imagine it might be more pissed after receiving a jolt like that - this isn't a perp where another officer is nearby to assist in an arrest or can comply to orders. Do you just continue to tase the piss out of it until it goes away? A baton isn't any better of a situation, you're probably most likely going to get bit anyway. |
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Depending upon the officer's proximity to the yard in question, and the speed and proximity of the dog to the edge of the yard, I could see this being justified. If the dog was doing that thing that a lot of dogs do when people come near their yards, and just barking, taking a few steps, barking, taking a few steps- then this was a bad move. If the dog was in a full sprint, there's no way the officer could outrun it, and trying to would be a poor decision anyways.
I have personally been in this situation several times in my own neighborhood. An unfamiliar dog, comes from an unseen location, aggressive and seemingly protective of its yard, and continues to advance. In my case, I was walking with both my dogs, my wife, and my baby. I'll shoot a dog in a heartbeat if I feel like it's not going to stop. And I'm not waiting until it gets within a particular distance, either. I'll shoot as soon as it's apparent that the dog wants to eat someone in my pack. In the past, I made the decision that neither of the dogs I encountered were after us, they just wanted to make it known that we were passing through their space. But a dog's space is not well-defined. While you and I see the edge of the yard, or property lines, or fences as our boundaries, dogs may not have such predispositions. Their territory may extend into the street, or further. If you assume that a dog will stop at the edge of the yard, and wait until it doesn't, you might be in for bad news. Neither of the dogs I've come close to shooting stopped at the yard. One of them even follows a little bit down the street. Were I to take off running, that might trigger a chase. There's also the possibility that a dog you know to be friendly might have an injury or disease that changes things. Old Yeller got shot in his own yard. It's a terrible situation for an officer and a family. If it were a person and not a dog, the officer would certainly be justified, would he not? An unprovoked, unstopping, aggressive charge, but still in his own yard? Tell me that the officer would have to wait until the person left their own yard to shoot if it looks like they were going to close that distance very shortly. |
| Being the owner of a large Pitbull, I know more than well enough of what this dog is capable of, This is my reason for having him. I know my dog has stopped 2 break-ins from happening, hell the last time I came home to find the door facing ripped off the back of the house and the door cracked open, walked in and my dog was laying in the kitchen floor still watching the door. If my dog gets off my property and get's shot by anyone that percieves him as a threat, that is ok with me. That would be my own fault, but if someone harms my dog while on his/my property, I also say that there will be hell to pay. To me, that dog is like a child, and I would do whatever is necessary to protect him just like I know he would do the same. They way I see it, if the dog is on the owers property, no one in this world should be able to harm him, he is doing the same thing any person would do to protect what is theirs. |
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If you are a responsible owner, you will control your pet. That means it's inside your home or business, or on a leash, or in a fenced yard. If you've failed to do that, know that your animal is subject to lethal force when it gets out. And it will.
I have a 16 year old daughter with scars on her face that she received when she was 2 from a neighbor's dog. I remember him saying..."that's a sweet dog. He loves kids". His dog came into my yard and got her on the swing set. I was young and immature then. I did not kill that dog. Years later in a new house in a rural area. Neighbor (My aunt) let her dogs roam free. Brown female and black male mutt labs. Both over a hundred pounds. My wife was unloading my youngest daughter, who is confined to a wheelchair, when she had to fight off the brown female lab from getting Brianna. Both dogs did not survive to see daylight the next day. I do not hate dogs. I have two and I love them very much. However, I love my wife and children more. |
| Some people hate dogs. I was walking my 135lb black dog in my yard one day. The mail man pulls up next to the box. I am pretty close to the box so I walk over to say hello and grab the mail (as I have done with the same mail man before). He starts freaking out and tells me to back up and he will just put the mail in the box. |
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Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here. Its easy to judge this officer after everything is over but he had probably 3 seconds to decide if this dog was going to hurt him or not. When you include the fact that he is looking for a potentially dangerous burglar im comfortable giving him the benefit of the doubt. Some of you make it sound like he woke up that morning and told his wife "i plan on killing someone's pet today" before walking out the door.
What exactly did he gain by killing this dog? Why do some of you believe he would just shoot a dog and make up a story?? |
That is like running from a poodle .
| I understand all the arguments for it to be "Justified" "Not Justified"... But, Really , think about it...If the same thing happened to one of us, Could We Legally Shoot the Dog? Such as we are walking or jogging down the street. A trained attack Dog(German Shepherd, Rotti, Pitbull) maybe... Doug King needs to chime in on this...We need some lawyer talk... |
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I understand all the arguments for it to be "Justified" "Not Justified"... But, Really , think about it...If the same thing happened to one of us, Could We Legally Shoot the Dog? Such as we are walking or jogging down the street. A trained attack Dog(German Shepherd, Rotti, Pitbull) maybe... Doug King needs to chime in on this...We need some lawyer talk... At the end of the day, in this situation, Police Officers have the exact same use of force standard that any citizen of this great state has. Are you concerned that great bodily injury or death is inevitable? Thats the bottom line. I know, i know there are other times when deadly force is acceptable (forcible felony in progress, threat of great bodily injury to a third person etc, etc,) but i dont wanna get bogged down in that for this particular case. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea that people think he is capable of deciding that this dog will not bite him as its barking and charging. If any of you have seen dog bites by larger breeds then you know they can be horrible. Even if the dog "just" bites you in the arm, infection and hospitalization are real concerns. The whole thing blows. A family lost a pet, an officer had to shoot a dog and is getting extreme criticism when all he was trying to do was protect the people of that very same neighborhood by looking for a burglar/prowler/peeping tom (whatever). I mean if he just drove through in his car and left most of you would kill the guy for not doing his job. He took the time to actually get out of his car and investigate and this was the thanks he gets. |
| Next time I am out running and a dog charges after me I am going to shoot. Watch the news I will be in Jail... Remember, Reasonable force to stop the threat. Thats why LEOs are given many different tools to stop the threat. Discharging a weapon in someones yard is not reasonable in this case. Common Sense and Good Judgement... The civil courts will decide this one. I have several neighbors that have electric fences. Their dogs will do the same thing if you go onto their property. So should the mailman, UPS man shoot all the dogs that charge them. No...This is not reasonable. |
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I understand all the arguments for it to be "Justified" "Not Justified"... But, Really , think about it...If the same thing happened to one of us, Could We Legally Shoot the Dog? Such as we are walking or jogging down the street. A trained attack Dog(German Shepherd, Rotti, Pitbull) maybe... Doug King needs to chime in on this...We need some lawyer talk... At the end of the day, in this situation, Police Officers have the exact same use of force standard that any citizen of this great state has. Are you concerned that great bodily injury or death is inevitable? Thats the bottom line. I know, i know there are other times when deadly force is acceptable (forcible felony in progress, threat of great bodily injury to a third person etc, etc,) but i dont wanna get bogged down in that for this particular case. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea that people think he is capable of deciding that this dog will not bite him as its barking and charging. If any of you have seen dog bites by larger breeds then you know they can be horrible. Even if the dog "just" bites you in the arm, infection and hospitalization are real concerns. The whole thing blows. A family lost a pet, an officer had to shoot a dog and is getting extreme criticism when all he was trying to do was protect the people of that very same neighborhood by looking for a burglar/prowler/peeping tom (whatever). I mean if he just drove through in his car and left most of you would kill the guy for not doing his job. He took the time to actually get out of his car and investigate and this was the thanks he gets. So if I shoot a police dog that's coming after me because I'm in fear for my life or of serious injury, then that's OK too? There's a lot of "pfft whatever" from the municipality whenever a dog gets shot, unless it happens to be a police dog. |
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I was a pizza delivery guy for years when I was younger and I would be willing to bet I encountered more dogs in a week than most cops do (I had FOOD on me). I drew on several but I never shot any of them for one simple reason: I DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had I not been able to get out of it without killing the dog I would have shot in a heartbeat. There were many owners that I wanted to club in the head, but not the dogs. This guy killed a family pet because of some personal issue and that makes him a pussy in my book.
OT: At one house I noticed a dog in the yard and the owner outside. I looked at the owner and said "Is the dog cool?" he said "yeah, he's cool" so I started to walk up the sidewalk. The dog went airborne toward my neck/face. I slung the food bag around to let the teeth sink in to my left arm and bag and went up my shirt with my right while falling backwards. A chain on the collar stops the dog inches away from my arm, the food, and my face. I backed up and stared at the jackass who just watched the entire thing and now knows I'm carrying because the pistol is half way out of the holster and in my hand. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to what he was doing. That was scary as hell and I didn't shoot either of them. |
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I understand all the arguments for it to be "Justified" "Not Justified"... But, Really , think about it...If the same thing happened to one of us, Could We Legally Shoot the Dog? Such as we are walking or jogging down the street. A trained attack Dog(German Shepherd, Rotti, Pitbull) maybe... Doug King needs to chime in on this...We need some lawyer talk... At the end of the day, in this situation, Police Officers have the exact same use of force standard that any citizen of this great state has. Are you concerned that great bodily injury or death is inevitable? Thats the bottom line. I know, i know there are other times when deadly force is acceptable (forcible felony in progress, threat of great bodily injury to a third person etc, etc,) but i dont wanna get bogged down in that for this particular case. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea that people think he is capable of deciding that this dog will not bite him as its barking and charging. If any of you have seen dog bites by larger breeds then you know they can be horrible. Even if the dog "just" bites you in the arm, infection and hospitalization are real concerns. The whole thing blows. A family lost a pet, an officer had to shoot a dog and is getting extreme criticism when all he was trying to do was protect the people of that very same neighborhood by looking for a burglar/prowler/peeping tom (whatever). I mean if he just drove through in his car and left most of you would kill the guy for not doing his job. He took the time to actually get out of his car and investigate and this was the thanks he gets. So if I shoot a police dog that's coming after me because I'm in fear for my life or of serious injury, then that's OK too? There's a lot of "pfft whatever" from the municipality whenever a dog gets shot, unless it happens to be a police dog. Thats really your argument for why an officer shouldn't shoot a dog? You could not have picked a more absurd example. |
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I was a pizza delivery guy for years when I was younger and I would be willing to bet I encountered more dogs in a week than most cops do (I had FOOD on me). I drew on several but I never shot any of them for one simple reason: I DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had I not been able to get out of it without killing the dog I would have shot in a heartbeat. There were many owners that I wanted to club in the head, but not the dogs. This guy killed a family pet because of some personal issue and that makes him a pussy in my book. OT: At one house I noticed a dog in the yard and the owner outside. I looked at the owner and said "Is the dog cool?" he said "yeah, he's cool" so I started to walk up the sidewalk. The dog went airborne toward my neck/face. I slung the food bag around to let the teeth sink in to my left arm and bag and went up my shirt with my right while falling backwards. A chain on the collar stops the dog inches away from my arm, the food, and my face. I backed up and stared at the jackass who just watched the entire thing and now knows I'm carrying because the pistol is half way out of the holster and in my hand. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to what he was doing. That was scary as hell and I didn't shoot either of them. How exactly do you know that was the reason? It seems everyone on this board absolutely knows for a fact that this officer shot the dog because hes a cop and he hates this family and their dog. Why is it so hard to believe he was concerned for his safety? Hippie, it sounds like you would have been absolutely within your right to shoot a dog that was about to hurt you. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that you would not have been justified. Dogs get shot all the time and you dont read about it very often because citizens (including officers) are within their right to protect themselves from immediate danger. |
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I was a pizza delivery guy for years when I was younger and I would be willing to bet I encountered more dogs in a week than most cops do (I had FOOD on me). I drew on several but I never shot any of them for one simple reason: I DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had I not been able to get out of it without killing the dog I would have shot in a heartbeat. There were many owners that I wanted to club in the head, but not the dogs. This guy killed a family pet because of some personal issue and that makes him a pussy in my book. OT: At one house I noticed a dog in the yard and the owner outside. I looked at the owner and said "Is the dog cool?" he said "yeah, he's cool" so I started to walk up the sidewalk. The dog went airborne toward my neck/face. I slung the food bag around to let the teeth sink in to my left arm and bag and went up my shirt with my right while falling backwards. A chain on the collar stops the dog inches away from my arm, the food, and my face. I backed up and stared at the jackass who just watched the entire thing and now knows I'm carrying because the pistol is half way out of the holster and in my hand. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to what he was doing. That was scary as hell and I didn't shoot either of them. How exactly do you know that was the reason? It seems everyone on this board absolutely knows for a fact that this officer shot the dog because hes a cop and he hates this family and their dog. Why is it so hard to believe he was concerned for his safety? Hippie, it sounds like you would have been absolutely within your right to shoot a dog that was about to hurt you. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that you would not have been justified. Dogs get shot all the time and you dont read about it very often because citizens (including officers) are within their right to protect themselves from immediate danger. Because the dog was still in his own yard based on the news stories I saw. Most dogs know their territories. Ones that don't and do go in to the street, other yards, etc and threaten are at absolutely risk of being shot (and I hate to say it but probably should be shot). Shooting a golden in his own yard and not backing off to try to avoid it is really really wrong in my book. I doubt the guy woke up thinking how he can't wait to kill some random family's dog. I don't care that he is a cop. As far as I care he is a guy who had a gun. It just reads as cruel or lazy to me and either of those scream personal problem in my book. And yeah, I would have been justified in killing a LOT of dogs in my delivery days but I have always gone to GREAT lengths to not shoot ANYTHING living. So far I have gotten away with 16 years of carrying with no killing of any living creature. It really really is the last thing in this world I WANT to do. |
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I was a pizza delivery guy for years when I was younger and I would be willing to bet I encountered more dogs in a week than most cops do (I had FOOD on me). I drew on several but I never shot any of them for one simple reason: I DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had I not been able to get out of it without killing the dog I would have shot in a heartbeat. There were many owners that I wanted to club in the head, but not the dogs. This guy killed a family pet because of some personal issue and that makes him a pussy in my book. OT: At one house I noticed a dog in the yard and the owner outside. I looked at the owner and said "Is the dog cool?" he said "yeah, he's cool" so I started to walk up the sidewalk. The dog went airborne toward my neck/face. I slung the food bag around to let the teeth sink in to my left arm and bag and went up my shirt with my right while falling backwards. A chain on the collar stops the dog inches away from my arm, the food, and my face. I backed up and stared at the jackass who just watched the entire thing and now knows I'm carrying because the pistol is half way out of the holster and in my hand. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to what he was doing. That was scary as hell and I didn't shoot either of them. How exactly do you know that was the reason? It seems everyone on this board absolutely knows for a fact that this officer shot the dog because hes a cop and he hates this family and their dog. Why is it so hard to believe he was concerned for his safety? Hippie, it sounds like you would have been absolutely within your right to shoot a dog that was about to hurt you. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that you would not have been justified. Dogs get shot all the time and you dont read about it very often because citizens (including officers) are within their right to protect themselves from immediate danger. Because the dog was still in his own yard based on the news stories I saw. Most dogs know their territories. Ones that don't and do go in to the street, other yards, etc and threaten are at absolutely risk of being shot (and I hate to say it but probably should be shot). Shooting a golden in his own yard and not backing off to try to avoid it is really really wrong in my book. I doubt the guy woke up thinking how he can't wait to kill some random family's dog. I don't care that he is a cop. As far as I care he is a guy who had a gun. It just reads as cruel or lazy to me and either of those scream personal problem in my book. And yeah, I would have been justified in killing a LOT of dogs in my delivery days but I have always gone to GREAT lengths to not shoot ANYTHING living. So far I have gotten away with 16 years of carrying with no killing of any living creature. It really really is the last thing in this world I WANT to do. Just because the dog is in his yard means he can't hurt someone? I understand the point you are trying to make and it seems that most people here are more concerned that an officer was in a persons yard and shot a dog who may have been protecting his own family. I get that. The point is not being well made though and it seems that the majority of people are making this officer sound like a murderer who was in good faith doing his job and got scared of a very large dog who was trying to hurt him. Also, i dont think the story even mentioned that the officer was male. Would it change anything if it was a female? How about a very small female or a very small male.There are a lot of factors that we just plain dont know the answer to and i think a lot of people here are just jumping to conclusions that fit their personal agenda against police officers. And for the record i am not saying that this shooting absolutely had to happen. I am just pointing out that it could very well be justified, which is a opinion held in the minority. Critical thinking skills are important and i am merely trying to share insight from someone who does this job. Its not always an issue of was officer X right or wrong? There is a lot of gray in between and people are too quick to judge IMO. |
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All of you siding with the officer...Do you believe that electronic fences should be banned and/or limited to the back yards?
I run periodically in Roswell. There are a few houses on my route with dogs that have free roam of the front yard. If this officer walked in front of any of them, the dogs would be shot. Perhaps this guy should stick to his car. |
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Just because the dog is in his yard means he can't hurt someone? I understand the point you are trying to make and it seems that most people here are more concerned that an officer was in a persons yard and shot a dog who may have been protecting his own family. I get that. The point is not being well made though and it seems that the majority of people are making this officer sound like a murderer who was in good faith doing his job and got scared of a very large dog who was trying to hurt him. Also, i dont think the story even mentioned that the officer was male. Would it change anything if it was a female? How about a very small female or a very small male.There are a lot of factors that we just plain dont know the answer to and i think a lot of people here are just jumping to conclusions that fit their personal agenda against police officers. And for the record i am not saying that this shooting absolutely had to happen. I am just pointing out that it could very well be justified, which is a opinion held in the minority. Critical thinking skills are important and i am merely trying to share insight from someone who does this job. Its not always an issue of was officer X right or wrong? There is a lot of gray in between and people are too quick to judge IMO. Yeah, I usually stay out of cop threads because of a lot of that shows up and I don't like it either. My issue has nothing to do with a badge, a uniform, or anything of the sort. I chimed in because I have a lot of personal experience with dealing with being on other people's properties with animals. If that had been a FedEx guy I would be calling him/her a pussy too. When you take on a position that involves going in to situations like that you have to be prepared for a LOT of different things. That includes delivery drivers(me), computer techs (me again), cops, fire fighters, mail delivery, Fedex, doesn't matter to me. Male or Female (or in between), big or small, skinny or fat, I still don't care. I am 6'2" and 150 pounds on a good day. I am no mighty force 
Edit: I am going off of news stories so I could easily not have an accurate picture in my head. Re-phrase everything I said with an intro of "Based on the news stories..." |
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Yeah, I usually stay out of cop threads because of a lot of that shows up and I don't like it either. My issue has nothing to do with a badge, a uniform, or anything of the sort. I chimed in because I have a lot of personal experience with dealing with being on other people's properties with animals. If that had been a FedEx guy I would be calling him/her a pussy too. When you take on a position that involves going in to situations like that you have to be prepared for a LOT of different things. That includes delivery drivers(me), computer techs (me again), cops, fire fighters, mail delivery, Fedex, doesn't matter to me. Male or Female (or in between), big or small, skinny or fat, I still don't care. I am 6'2" and 150 pounds on a good day. I am no mighty force
I appreciate your comments and insight because they are relevant to the discussion. We all come from different walks and its nice to hear other people's perspective. Ive never had to shoot a dog and i really dread the thought of it. But that doesn't mean i wont do it if i feel its necessary. |
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[ Yeah, I usually stay out of cop threads because of a lot of that shows up and I don't like it either. My issue has nothing to do with a badge, a uniform, or anything of the sort. I chimed in because I have a lot of personal experience with dealing with being on other people's properties with animals. If that had been a FedEx guy I would be calling him/her a pussy too. When you take on a position that involves going in to situations like that you have to be prepared for a LOT of different things. That includes delivery drivers(me), computer techs (me again), cops, fire fighters, mail delivery, Fedex, doesn't matter to me. Male or Female (or in between), big or small, skinny or fat, I still don't care. I am 6'2" and 150 pounds on a good day. I am no mighty force
Edit: I am going off of news stories so I could easily not have an accurate picture in my head. Re-phrase everything I said with an intro of "Based on the news stories..." That really sums up my thoughts, too. I know cops get bashed a lot on here. This situation just sounds wrong. Maybe facts will come out that change that. |
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I understand all the arguments for it to be "Justified" "Not Justified"... But, Really , think about it...If the same thing happened to one of us, Could We Legally Shoot the Dog? Such as we are walking or jogging down the street. A trained attack Dog(German Shepherd, Rotti, Pitbull) maybe... Doug King needs to chime in on this...We need some lawyer talk... At the end of the day, in this situation, Police Officers have the exact same use of force standard that any citizen of this great state has. Are you concerned that great bodily injury or death is inevitable? Thats the bottom line. I know, i know there are other times when deadly force is acceptable (forcible felony in progress, threat of great bodily injury to a third person etc, etc,) but i dont wanna get bogged down in that for this particular case. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea that people think he is capable of deciding that this dog will not bite him as its barking and charging. If any of you have seen dog bites by larger breeds then you know they can be horrible. Even if the dog "just" bites you in the arm, infection and hospitalization are real concerns. The whole thing blows. A family lost a pet, an officer had to shoot a dog and is getting extreme criticism when all he was trying to do was protect the people of that very same neighborhood by looking for a burglar/prowler/peeping tom (whatever). I mean if he just drove through in his car and left most of you would kill the guy for not doing his job. He took the time to actually get out of his car and investigate and this was the thanks he gets. So if I shoot a police dog that's coming after me because I'm in fear for my life or of serious injury, then that's OK too? There's a lot of "pfft whatever" from the municipality whenever a dog gets shot, unless it happens to be a police dog. Thats really your argument for why an officer shouldn't shoot a dog? You could not have picked a more absurd example. I wasn't making an argument that an officer shouldn't shoot a dog, you were arguing the officer and a non-officer are held to the same standard in dog shootings. I'm sure the ADA will make it his priority. |
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Being the owner of a large Pitbull, I know more than well enough of what this dog is capable of, This is my reason for having him. I know my dog has stopped 2 break-ins from happening, hell the last time I came home to find the door facing ripped off the back of the house and the door cracked open, walked in and my dog was laying in the kitchen floor still watching the door. If my dog gets off my property and get's shot by anyone that percieves him as a threat, that is ok with me. That would be my own fault, but if someone harms my dog while on his/my property, I also say that there will be hell to pay. To me, that dog is like a child, and I would do whatever is necessary to protect him just like I know he would do the same. They way I see it, if the dog is on the owers property, no one in this world should be able to harm him, he is doing the same thing any person would do to protect what is theirs. Same here my GSD is mine and my wife's child. |
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I was a pizza delivery guy for years when I was younger and I would be willing to bet I encountered more dogs in a week than most cops do (I had FOOD on me). I drew on several but I never shot any of them for one simple reason: I DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had I not been able to get out of it without killing the dog I would have shot in a heartbeat. There were many owners that I wanted to club in the head, but not the dogs. This guy killed a family pet because of some personal issue and that makes him a pussy in my book. OT: At one house I noticed a dog in the yard and the owner outside. I looked at the owner and said "Is the dog cool?" he said "yeah, he's cool" so I started to walk up the sidewalk. The dog went airborne toward my neck/face. I slung the food bag around to let the teeth sink in to my left arm and bag and went up my shirt with my right while falling backwards. A chain on the collar stops the dog inches away from my arm, the food, and my face. I backed up and stared at the jackass who just watched the entire thing and now knows I'm carrying because the pistol is half way out of the holster and in my hand. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to what he was doing. That was scary as hell and I didn't shoot either of them. This exactly. I have cycled all over this country both road and trails for 15+ years. I ride a minimum of 10 hours every week so I am always out and about. I can't tell you how many dogs and dog packs I have encountered in addition to other animal such as bear, bobcat, deer, etc. I even had an encounter in the Santa Monica mountains with the German Shepherd from K-9 and James Belushi (another story). If I shot every dog that has charged at me, I would need a gymnasium to display all my trophies. I rode this past Sunday on a rural highway and had no less than 6 dogs, including a German Shepherd, leave their yard and run out at me. It pisses me off to no end that people will not control their dogs, but I still have yet to find a need to shoot one. I was bitten once by a Collie, and even though the dog should have been on a leash, I never should have let it get so close. I did learn a valuable lesson that day, and I have used it ever since. Dogs are pack animals, and they respond to dominance. Every dog I have ever yelled at to stop will back down including Rottweilers approaching 200lbs. I have even been surrounded by a pack of 5 wild dogs that decided I was easier prey than the deer they were chasing across a field. That was probably the closest I ever came to pulling my pistol, but as soon as I got off my bike, swung it around at the lead dog, and yelled as loud as I could, they backed off. There was simply no need to shoot a dog that was in its yard, I do not care how fast it was charging at the officer. |
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Very Well Said. Can't agree with you more.
This exactly. I have cycled all over this country both road and trails for 15+ years. I ride a minimum of 10 hours every week so I am always out and about. I can't tell you how many dogs and dog packs I have encountered in addition to other animal such as bear, bobcat, deer, etc. I even had an encounter in the Santa Monica mountains with the German Shepherd from K-9 and James Belushi (another story). If I shot every dog that has charged at me, I would need a gymnasium to display all my trophies. I rode this past Sunday on a rural highway and had no less than 6 dogs, including a German Shepherd, leave their yard and run out at me. It pisses me off to know end that people will not control their dogs, but I still have not found a need yet to shoot one. I was bitten once by a Collie, and even though the dog should have been on a leash, I never should have let it get so close. I did learn a valuable lesson that day, and I have used it ever since. Dogs are pack animals, and they respond to dominance. Every dog I have ever yelled at to stop will back down including Rottweilers approaching 200lbs. I have even been surrounded by a pack of 5 wild dogs that decided I was easier prey than the deer they were chasing across a field. That was probably the closest I ever came to pulling my pistol, but as soon as I got off my bike, swung it around at the lead dog, and yelled as loud as I could, they backed off. There was simply no need to shoot a dog that was in its yard, I do not care how fast it was charging at the officer. [/quote] |
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Sometimes you guys just make me shake my head. Let's go over the facts as we know them..... Oh that's right, we don't have any. The only thing that we know is an organization (the news) that has a sole purpose of selling advertising by sensationalizing stories to make them riveting to the public, thus spurring public debate and a captive viewer base securing more advertising dollars is reporting a police officer shot a dog. Given the track record on the news with issues such as guns, crime, immigration, politics, hunting, and chocolate chip cookies, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that it didn't happen in Clayton county, it wasn't a golden retriever, but really a persian cat, and it wasn't a police officer that shot it, in all actuality the cable guy said a few bad words to it. I keep waiting for the news to tell me if it was the dog or the cop that had the shoulder thing that goes up. To argue one point or another on this is an exercise in futility. None of us were there, and none of us really know what happened. Was the dog really contained by the invisible fence? We don't know. It could have been turned off, the dogs collar could have dead batteries, or not worn at all. Maybe the dog was so angry that somebody, was in his view, infringing upon his turf, that he ran straight through the fence, ignoring the subtle electronic correction. Maybe there wasn't an invisible fence at all, the news just added that part to make the story better. Was the dog shot in the front yard? Again we don't know. He could have been shot on the front steps, or 6 inches from the street. None of us were there to say, so we have to rely on the news to tell us. I would not put it past the news to omit the part about the dog being 30 feet past the "invisible fence" and a mere inches from the street. Was the police officer on private property? Who knows. He could have been across the street in the neighbors yard, or he could have been 10 feet from the front door when he executed the poor family pet as he has countless hundreds in the past because of his pure racist hatred of Golden retrievers, only this time someone saw him do it. The news doesn't say one way or the other, and the fact of the matter is, they have a track record of twisting stories to invoke the strongest possible response from the viewing public. Maybe this was the nicest dog in the world, and the officer is a mean cold blooded killer. Or maybe this dog was for a moment uncontrolled and the officer was truly in fear of great bodily harm and or death. and possibly the dog was being aggressive to protect his property, and in a moment of bad judgment the officer acted foolishly ending the life of the dog and putting the safety of the general public in danger. This story sucks all the way around for all parties involved. The family lost their pet. The officer will most certainly be vilified, whether warranted or not, and will probably lose there employment as a result, either directly or indirectly connected to this incident. The tax payers of Clayton county will most assuredly foot the bill for a defense in a civil suit that will probably cost the tax payers an additional millions in an out of court settlement. The news will boost its ratings and sell advertising. There will be an investigation. If the officer is found to be in the wrong, the will be terminated and possibly prosecuted. If found not to be in the wrong, there will be such a public outcry that the officer will still probably be terminated for other reasons. None of us were there, and none of us know the facts. To get into such a heated debate over something we know something so little about is foolish. We might as well be a bunch of liberals getting all up in arms because we saw on the news that the problems in mexico are caused by guns being purchased from gun shows in San Antonio. This case is most certainly not closed, and for now I am siding with the truth, although that seems to be know where to be found amongst all this speculation. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. |
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Sorry but a dog shouldn't be left to roam free and this is why. Agree! Unrestrained animals are subject to potential danger. If you love your pet and live in an area where the pet might encounter other people, you should restrain the animal. In this case it seems the restraint WAS present as an underground fence but that restraint was not visible to the officer. So, I don't think we can say this dog was "roaming free". [/quote] I agree with this. I live out in the sticks and have strays running around. and have popped a few also. So unless you dont love ur pet like you say do it should be restrained by some means to the yard. I luv dawgs, ( hate cats). So it is some hards to popped one. i give it aleast 3 scare offs b4 i use deadly force. The only reason i do is because i have a lil girl in yard playing and dont want here hurt. |
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Sometimes you guys just make me shake my head. The tax payers of Clayton county will most assuredly foot the bill fora defense in a civil suit that will probably cost the tax payers anadditional millions in an out of court settlement. Most of your post made sense. This last sentence didn't. When the government shoots a dog, it's a property problem. Fido cost $500, pay $500 to Fido's owner if it was wrongly shot. There is no pain and suffering compensation for people who loved the dog. Slightly more money might be paid for a working dog according to the cost of acquiring a new one. If you shoot a police dog, it's a felony. They'll have a ceremony––a salute, a funeral complete with bagpipes, honor guard, eulogies, plaques, sculptures, tears, paid time off, a casket and headstone––a warrior's send-off for a *dog*. There will be no settlement here since the money on the table is likely under a grand. That's why pets routinely get shot... because there's no disincentive for doing so, beyond the rare media shit storm. |
I can't say what I think of the officer without violating COC 
For those of you who say you can't taser a dog, you seem to forget the video below. These officers easily handled a dog that REALLY charged them, not just some golden retriever running around in an invisible fence... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUyMFPJRnU |
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Most of your post made sense. This last sentence didn't. When the government shoots a dog, it's a property problem. Fido cost $500, pay $500 to Fido's owner if it was wrongly shot. There is no pain and suffering compensation for people who loved the dog. Slightly more money might be paid for a working dog according to the cost of acquiring a new one. If you shoot a police dog, it's a felony. They'll have a ceremony––a salute, a funeral complete with bagpipes, honor guard, eulogies, plaques, sculptures, tears, paid time off, a casket and headstone––a warrior's send-off for a *dog*. There will be no settlement here since the money on the table is likely under a grand. That's why pets routinely get shot... because there's no disincentive for doing so, beyond the rare media shit storm. As much as I love my dogs, the whole bit about the funeral is true. People need to start realizing that a dog is NOT a person. This whole issue, to me, is not about "that poor dog". It's about property rights and police powers. |
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Most of your post made sense. This last sentence didn't. When the government shoots a dog, it's a property problem. Fido cost $500, pay $500 to Fido's owner if it was wrongly shot. There is no pain and suffering compensation for people who loved the dog. Slightly more money might be paid for a working dog according to the cost of acquiring a new one. If you shoot a police dog, it's a felony. They'll have a ceremony––a salute, a funeral complete with bagpipes, honor guard, eulogies, plaques, sculptures, tears, paid time off, a casket and headstone––a warrior's send-off for a *dog*. There will be no settlement here since the money on the table is likely under a grand. That's why pets routinely get shot... because there's no disincentive for doing so, beyond the rare media shit storm. As much as I love my dogs, the whole bit about the funeral is true. People need to start realizing that a dog is NOT a person. This whole issue, to me, is not about "that poor dog". It's about property rights and police powers. Yep. And I'll add that one of the big problems I have is the double standard that exists for LEOs. The officer here likely won't get a slap on the wrist but if I shot that aggressive dog chasing me down the street the other night I'd be lawyering up right now and begging a DA not to charge me. That is BS. |