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11/30/2010 3:51:34 PM EDT
So..somebody on our little hometown board screwed me big time.
On a deal that has been in the works for almost three weeks.Everytime I tried to meet with this someone there was an excuse or a cancellation. one of which i completely understood.
Finally we agreed just two or three days ago over a p.m. ( im so aggravated i cant remember at the moment) that we would do the sale of said rifle at a class that we
are both going to be at this weekend. So yesterday after said aggreement I get an I.M. saying do you still want the rifle ? I got back with him saying of course i do. Well this evening I get another message Saying sorry i sold the rifle. Give me a break. obviously since i dont constantly check my pm's because i have a job means i missed out. oh btw i gave this dude my phone number my email. and said if at anytime you are ready i will come get the rifle. this was before we agreed to do the sale this weekend are there people out there that think they are too good for a phone call ? .People please dont back out on deals. it isnt right and it isnt fair.

Bottom line.,What goes around comes around.

Book..if i am out of line here or this needs to be moved to the georgia for sale section please do so. thanks
11/30/2010 4:09:49 PM EDT
[#1]
Goddamn buddy, that sucks I know how much you have been wanting that rifle too.



Is it against the CoC to out the guy so I know who not to deal with in the future
11/30/2010 4:17:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah I havent outed him...yet. and I wont on here.
11/30/2010 4:23:47 PM EDT
[#3]
why not out him?  if you have the pm's to verify the story, its a welch...just the same as if you had said you wanted the rifle then disappeared.

accounts get locked for those kinds of shenanigans.
11/30/2010 4:31:14 PM EDT
[#4]
That's pretty F'ed up man, sorry to hear that happened to you, I would have outed him. You have better self control than I.
11/30/2010 4:33:34 PM EDT
[#5]
I suppose if you want to out the Welch head on down the pit, but I am not sure if it is pit worthy or not.
11/30/2010 4:36:14 PM EDT
[#6]
Get a mod. They've cracked down pretty hard on that crap lately.
11/30/2010 4:39:20 PM EDT
[#7]
Yeah I could easily out him. I have all the private messages,and the emails. but it aint worth it.

because he said he was.....















sorry for the trouble
11/30/2010 4:41:49 PM EDT
[#8]
I would honestly just like an explanation for the dudes actions. But i know i wont get one. So i guess derek and co, will get my money instead.
11/30/2010 4:43:54 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Get a mod. They've cracked down pretty hard on that crap lately.


I will go ahead and say its me.  I'm sorry I couldn't follow through last week since "F'ing GRANDMOTHER DIED" Would you like me to put up a scanned copy of her obit in the Augusta Chronicle Paper?

Btw there was NEVER a ad on this forum for rifle when we were talking.  Ask anyone who's done a deal with me on here or the hide.  I'm always on time and give outstanding deals.  I already said I was sorry to him, but he likes to curse  at me in Pm's so screw'em.  I'll tell my other grandmother who's still living not to die and screw up a deal next time.

Here's her obit:

"http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/augustachronicle/obituary.aspx?n=irene-mary-utsch&pid=146782086"

11/30/2010 4:46:48 PM EDT
[#10]
out the guy so we can see who NOT to do business with, remember it's for the childern
11/30/2010 4:49:41 PM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:


out the guy so we can see who NOT to do business with, remember it's for the childern


Look above you Vote.



 
11/30/2010 4:52:01 PM EDT
[#12]
Theres always two sides to the story.
11/30/2010 4:52:59 PM EDT
[#13]
i'm gonna retract what i said a little while ago.  family emergencies are one of those things that supercedes silly hobbies like guns.

poison is a stand up guy...having the balls to post in this thread says a lot.  furthermore, he speaks the truth about good deals.  i picked up a rifle from him a while back, and it has been an excellent weapon...and i got it at a more-than-fair price.  finally, i don't see where OP has any room to gripe if the deal wasn't even struck on this board.

ymmv.

11/30/2010 4:53:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:

Quoted:
out the guy so we can see who NOT to do business with, remember it's for the childern

Look above you Vote.
 


i saw that, he posted before i could finish mine
11/30/2010 4:56:05 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I would honestly just like an explanation for the dudes actions. But i know i wont get one. So i guess derek and co, will get my money instead.


Would you believe it if you got one?

Theres always two sides to the story.

I thought there was three sides to a story. His, their's, and the truth.

11/30/2010 4:57:17 PM EDT
[#16]
But hey guys don't worry I doubt any of you will ever strike a deal with me here anyway.  I do most of my trading/selling on the Hide.

Also I was in line to take cmshoots class this weekend.  There would obviously be a problem with hitman with the language he used in the PMs towards me and the hostility of this thread.  So I'm backing out and forfeiting the fee for the class.  So hopefully CM will tell someone they are in soon.

-Sean
11/30/2010 5:01:32 PM EDT
[#17]
I understand death. More than most people.
and i told you i was sorry for your loss and that it was no big deal to wait until next week for the rifle.
then we agreed to do the sale at the class sunday. over a private message. it was a done deal. Now its not and its over with. No big deal.
all this thread was about was a psa. that was it. I was not going to reveal who it was.
11/30/2010 5:02:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Also I was in line to take cmshoots class this weekend.  There would obviously be a problem with hitman with the language he used in the PMs towards me and the hostility of this thread.  So I'm backing out and forfeiting the fee for the class.  So hopefully CM will tell someone they are in soon.

-Sean


Back out of the class because of family commitments, not because someone is behaving like a baby. It would suck not to see ya there......

11/30/2010 5:03:07 PM EDT
[#19]
and no the deal wasnt struck on this board.. big deal ? I dont have a right to be pissed off ?

btw the rifle was a smoking deal.
11/30/2010 5:05:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Post the msg where we agreed with date stamp on sunday.  I honestly don't see it.  I see the last communication on the 17th, and then again today.

Hey I'll even pay for your class fee if you can show me a PM from the 28th saying we'll do the deal at the class.
11/30/2010 5:05:47 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Also I was in line to take cmshoots class this weekend.  There would obviously be a problem with hitman with the language he used in the PMs towards me and the hostility of this thread.  So I'm backing out and forfeiting the fee for the class.  So hopefully CM will tell someone they are in soon.

-Sean


Back out of the class because of family commitments, not because someone is behaving like a baby. It would suck not to see ya there......



like a baby ? really dude ? did you read the thread. ?

the deal didnt go bad because of the death of a family memeber. im not an asshole and i understand death. I told him that it was no big deal and i completely understood.
i still have the pm where i said that.
im pissed because it got welched on after that.

Anybody that doesnt get that..well nevermind
11/30/2010 5:10:05 PM EDT
[#22]
I would still like to have you attend the class.  If I never got around folks that T'ed me off, or that I didn't get along with, I'd be in a group of 1 at all times!

Let me know ASAP if you're serious, so that I can try to fill your spot.  I need to have an even number in the class, so I need to have that spot filled.
11/30/2010 5:10:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Now I am curious what was the gun?
11/30/2010 5:10:40 PM EDT
[#24]

Date: 11/26/2010 11:44:31 AM EST  
Subject: Re[5]: < No Subject >

ok thats not far from me at all. I can come pick it up whevever next week. This cash is burning a hole in my pocket !


Do you know where Hi Caliber is in Canton? I can do Monday or Tuesday.


Yes i do and tuesday works for me. After work in the evening or late afternoon ?


Late Afternoon would work for me.


Great ill touch base with you on monday to set a time


Hey if your still interested it looks like your going to the cmshoot class on dec 5th. I'll be there also, I can bring along the obr if your still interested in it.






I just copied and pasted this from my folder. i dont know how to do it any other way. I responded yes i still want it and ill see you sunday.. i can put that up too.
11/30/2010 5:12:25 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I would still like to have you attend the class.  If I never got around folks that T'ed me off, or that I didn't get along with, I'd be in a group of 1 at all times!

Let me know ASAP if you're serious, so that I can try to fill your spot.  I need to have an even number in the class, so I need to have that spot filled.


Na dude I don't want anything to happen at the class....and I don't need the temptation on birth day for sure.

I'll catch it on the next go around.
11/30/2010 5:12:40 PM EDT
[#26]

Date: 11/30/2010 9:03:28 PM EST  
Subject: Re[7]: < No Subject >

Yes i still want it. And thats fine with me to pick it up at the class. See you there !


Sorry man it sold 2 days ago
11/30/2010 5:18:33 PM EDT
[#27]
I see it now.

So I sent that on the 11/26/2010 11:44:31 AM EST.

You Sent your reply on the 11/30/2010 4:07:01 PM EST.

I waited and sold it to someone else with no response from you at 11/28/2010 9:27:43 PM EST.
11/30/2010 5:20:44 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:

Date: 11/30/2010 9:03:28 PM EST  
Subject: Re[7]: < No Subject >

Yes i still want it. And thats fine with me to pick it up at the class. See you there !


Sorry man it sold 2 days ago


It ain't sold till the exact moment of your time stamp right there bud.
11/30/2010 5:20:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
I see it now.

So I sent that on the 11/26/2010 11:44:31 AM EST.

You Sent your reply on the 11/30/2010 4:07:01 PM EST.

I waited and sold it to someone else with no response from you at 11/28/2010 9:27:43 PM EST.



after we agreed on the sale at the class. Im sorry i dont constantly check my inbox.

oh well its done now.




to whoever asked it was an obr lite



11/30/2010 5:24:42 PM EDT
[#30]
reading the pm's, i think there was misunderstanding on both parts.  even so, hitman, i think if you were that hot-to-trot over the rifle, it seems as though you could have responded sooner than 4 days between pm's.  if you didn't respond within a couple of days, i think i would have done the same thing sean did in this case.  

i know people have lives outside of the forum, but i can't imagine not being able to follow up with a pending deal on the table within a 4 day time frame.

-matt
11/30/2010 5:25:38 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I see it now.

So I sent that on the 11/26/2010 11:44:31 AM EST.

You Sent your reply on the 11/30/2010 4:07:01 PM EST.

I waited and sold it to someone else with no response from you at 11/28/2010 9:27:43 PM EST.



after we agreed on the sale at the class. Im sorry i dont constantly check my inbox.

oh well its done now.




to whoever asked it was an obr lite





Nevermind

I'm done with this thread.  If people have a problem with me whatever, take it to PMs to not piss on this forum anymore.
11/30/2010 5:30:38 PM EDT
[#32]
MAYBE i could have responded a little quicker. but the only reason i didnt is because the way i read the message it seemed like it was gonna go down at the class.
ive been trying to get this rifle since early november. like the 8th-10. ive been wanting this rifle for that long. why would i have changed my mind ?
11/30/2010 5:32:30 PM EDT
[#33]
sean, your inbox is full.

11/30/2010 5:32:36 PM EDT
[#34]
IBTL





11/30/2010 5:32:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I see it now.

So I sent that on the 11/26/2010 11:44:31 AM EST.

You Sent your reply on the 11/30/2010 4:07:01 PM EST.

I waited and sold it to someone else with no response from you at 11/28/2010 9:27:43 PM EST.



after we agreed on the sale at the class. Im sorry i dont constantly check my inbox.

oh well its done now.




to whoever asked it was an obr lite





Nevermind

I'm done with this thread.  If people have a problem with me whatever, take it to PMs to not piss on this forum anymore.


and i dont have a problem with you. the only reason i started this thread was to encourage people to follow through with a deal. and make every effort possible to contact buyer/seller. i gave you my email and my phone number. but the only way you wanted to correspond was over private messages. I know that now.

best of luck to ya
12/1/2010 3:16:17 AM EDT
[#36]
I'm sorry to see this happened.  I respect both of you guys a lot.  I've dealt with both of you and you are stand-up, good people.  In fact, I could not have asked for better people with whom to do business.  So, it is very sad to read this.  Sucks to think two good people aren't happy with each other.  

The comments about the truth being in the middle are often correct because of perception.  Each person will have their own perception of a situation.  It is their own understanding of a situation that might differ from the understanding the other party may have.

Hell, I'm rambling.  I think you know what I am trying to say though.  At least I hope you do.

I'm locking this for now.  I don't see a point in the thread continuing.  I hope you gentlemen agree with that decision.  I hope you guys can get beyond this.

Best regards to both of you.

Mark
12/1/2010 3:16:35 AM EDT
[#37]
run its course