Posted: 8/8/2009 10:51:25 AM EDT
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With the decrease in ammo prices lately online, I went to my local gun store to buy some. Some ammo is still close to $100 per 1000 rounds higher than online since the store had to buy it during the ammo shortage. However, other ammo is coming down in price.
I asked the owner if they would honor the 10% off a case of ammo price on the boxes of ammo on the floor. After some time, he said he would. Well I get up to the counter with two "cases" of ammo sealed in the box, and the owner said "Those are not cases, they are half cases.. No discount" I was pissed off as I was already paying more than I should for this ammo. But I wanted to give the local business my money rather than some Internet company when possible. I thought a case of ammo for 5.56 is 500 rounds. He tells me that a case is 1000 rounds, and that even though the 500 rounds is in a sealed box, it is not technically a "case of ammo". The other item was a pack of 10 boxes of 5.7X28. Sealed in a 10 box case straight from FN (500 rounds). He said I would have to buy a large box of 2000 rounds to qualify. I would up buying less ammo than I wanted because the discount wouldn't apply. I have spent thousands of dollars there in the last few months, and was a little pissed on the technicalities. What do you think? If ammo comes in a 500 round box sealed form the factory, is this not a case? It says no where on it that it is a half case. |
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I've only seen "cases" online sold in 1000 rnd lots for most rifle and pistol ammo with the exception of oddball military surplus stuff, Romy 8mm 760 rnds per case, 7.62x54r 880 rnds per case, 7.62x25 1,200 rnds per case, 5.45x39 1,080 rnds per case. All other US manufactured stuff is sold at 1,000 rnds per case.
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Quoted: For 5.56 I have always considered a case to be 1000 rounds or so, dependng on the country of origin and packaging. Sometimes it seems to be 960 or 1100 and change per case or some other od number but alwasy close to 1000 rounds or more. Yup, case is 1k or abouts. Always been that way best I know. |
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sounds like to me there was an error in communication. If I was getting ready to throw down several hundred on ammo and the guy talked to me that way, I'd never set foot in the place again.
I'm all for supporting the locals, even if their prices are a shade higher than on the internets. If they're a-holes, I take my business elsewhere. Case and point- Bullseye in Lawrenceville= a-holes––- I don't spend my money here 400 J&L/ Forsyth Co. Pawn= Not a-holes––- I spend my money at these places. No, they're not the cheapest; but they're pleasurable. It all boils down to feeling good after your purchase. If you don't feel good about it, take your money elsewhere. There are plenty of other folks that will treat you ten times better for probably less of your money. |
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Let's see if I got this straight - you were going to buy two of the 500-round boxes, right? But since this 1000 rounds was not all in the same box, then it's not a case? I was going to buy 500 rounds of two different types of ammo. Each 500 round lot came in a factory sealed box. The 5.56 XM193 comes in 500 round boxes, unless you get the loose pack 1000 round case. So I thought 500 rounds was "a case". The other was SS197 that came in a 500 round case. It was sealed from the factory. I didn't know that it was 2000 rounds to a typical ss197 5.7X28 case. This was a 10 box (500 round) sealed case, but maybe they consider it a battle pack. Who knows. |
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round count per case aside, i would have given that dealer the finger and just ordered online. no tax, most ship very reasonably, and you don't have to waste time going to pick it up. cap it all off with a better price, and you can tell that dealer to get bent.
i am sure multiple will be along shortly to tell me how wrong i am, and how i should support the local dealer. whatever, its my money. i am not going to pay substantially more for an item that is readily available elsewhere and get crapped on to boot. -matt |
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a case has always been 1,000rds of same load. not a news flash there.
you can't expect red carpet treatment in a store, regardless of how much you have spent. you either get it, or you suck it up because it's the only place you can get X in Y time. no offense intended, but buying large lots of ammo in most gun shops is a sucker's game. |
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a case has always been 1,000rds of same load. not a news flash there. you can't expect red carpet treatment in a store, regardless of how much you have spent. you either get it, or you suck it up because it's the only place you can get X in Y time. no offense intended, but buying large lots of ammo in most gun shops is a sucker's game. I beg to differ. Show me one case of 1000 rounds of Federal 5.56 XM193 that is packed in 20 round boxes. They don't exist. Everything is 500 rounds, except the bulk pack, or the 900 rounds of stripper clipped ammo. So it isn't right to assume every case has to be 1000 rounds. Federal doesn't make them when packed in 20 round boxes. Wolf does, PMC does, so does Black hills. That is why I am pissed. To me, it is a case, because it doesn't come in anything larger. Here is a picture of the box incase you haven't seen one in a while... 
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I consider a case to be 1000 rounds. Although i do agree that it doesn't always appear that way. Like you've said, most manufacturers don't ship to retailers 1000 rnd boxes of ammo, they ship two 500 rounds boxes. I want to say I've even seen some of those 500 rnd boxes (maybe 9mm umc) say it was a case in the manufacturers print on the box.
Bottom line. 'case' can be a loosely used term. A case to you may be 500 rounds, to others 1000. Putting the miscommunication aside, if you still feel like they didn't treat you with respect, then you know what to do. Find another place to shop, or at least another place to buy ammo. I don't buy ammo in bulk at local retailers, unless it's comparable to online pricing + shipping. Oh, and I've got a case of 5.56 Prvi M855 I'd sell for $299. 500 rnd case, not 1000 
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Let's see if I got this straight - you were going to buy two of the 500-round boxes, right? But since this 1000 rounds was not all in the same box, then it's not a case? I was going to buy 500 rounds of two different types of ammo. Each 500 round lot came in a factory sealed box. The 5.56 XM193 comes in 500 round boxes, unless you get the loose pack 1000 round case. So I thought 500 rounds was "a case". The other was SS197 that came in a 500 round case. It was sealed from the factory. I didn't know that it was 2000 rounds to a typical ss197 5.7X28 case. This was a 10 box (500 round) sealed case, but maybe they consider it a battle pack. Who knows. Ah, I see. I read it to mean you had two 500 round boxes of one kind of ammo. My bad. |
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I call B.S. on that. A lot of web sites say 500 round case or 1000 rd case if it's in a factory sealed case of only 500 rds then it's a damn case. If I can get a better deal
online even with shipping then that's where I spend my money and piss on the local shops. |
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I expect it to get nasty. There are a few shops around here that have some ridiculously overpriced ammo sitting on their shelves right now.
They don't want to hear about falling prices. I'd be willing to bet they have way too much invested in this stock and will eventually have to let it go at a very slim margin. Shelf space in these shops is valuable (and limited) real estate, it's gotta move. |
I'm going to predict that local gun shops will eventually just fade away. Despite what many may think, there’s just not a lot of money to be made due largely to internet competition and the costs of doing business. We did it as a hobby, and in many cases we could get better deals off the internet than we could get from our own distributors  Plus firearms and ammo is not used in the same volumes as milk and gas, so the profit margin from the sporadic sales is not usually enough to offset the rising costs of doing business. I won’t even touch on the colorful and sometimes questionable customer base that comes along with it  With that said, I am glad I had the business the few years that I did, because I now have my dream collection of firearms and ammo that I probably wouldn’t have otherwise...but I would never do it again
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Here is a picture of the box incase you haven't seen one in a while... https://surplusammo.com/images/XM193.jpg i know that you think that a "case" is a physical object that should all come in one single box. i am pretty sure now that you haven't been in the bulk ammo purchasing game very long. either way, you agreed to the deal, so you gotta roll with it and just pass along the information. |
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a case has always been 1,000rds of same load. not a news flash there. you can't expect red carpet treatment in a store, regardless of how much you have spent. you either get it, or you suck it up because it's the only place you can get X in Y time. no offense intended, but buying large lots of ammo in most gun shops is a sucker's game. I beg to differ. Show me one case of 1000 rounds of Federal 5.56 XM193 that is packed in 20 round boxes. They don't exist. Everything is 500 rounds, except the bulk pack, or the 900 rounds of stripper clipped ammo. So it isn't right to assume every case has to be 1000 rounds. Federal doesn't make them when packed in 20 round boxes. Wolf does, PMC does, so does Black hills. That is why I am pissed. To me, it is a case, because it doesn't come in anything larger. Here is a picture of the box incase you haven't seen one in a while... https://surplusammo.com/images/XM193.jpg i know that you think that a "case" is a physical object that should all come in one single box. i am pretty sure now that you haven't been in the bulk ammo purchasing game very long. either way, you agreed to the deal, so you gotta roll with it and just pass along the information. WTF are you talking about? First, I am in my mid 30's. I have been buying bulk ammo for 20 years. A case is a physical object, contrary to whatever you think it is. And cases are one single box, hence the word case. Save your stupid remarks for someone else. |
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whoa, buddy. i know that you are upset with your shop for not giving you the deal you wanted.
most here have pointed out what the industry standard term for "case" means. i think the disconnect is between the industry standard term and the packaging you are perceiving as a case. |
Dan, I'm sure part of the problem was the guy you normally deal with wasn't there.
The owner did not know who you are or have any idea of how much you have spent there in the past few years. We all have our "guys" each employee has their regular customers and know how to deal with them. Honestly it could have been the first time he saw you and since the two guys you deal with were off shooting you weren't treated as you normally are accustomed to. Generally cases of ammo are as follows: 5.56/7.62/.308- 1000rd Pistol Calibers- 1000rd 5.7x28- 2000 rd .22LR- 5000rd. Occasionally ammo companies will pack 400rd/500rd cases of ammo and we'll have to adjust the discount. Usually [pre-Obamamania] when I am pricing ammo 1000rd cases were 10% off, 500rd "half" cases were more like 6-7% off, that way was there was motivation for you to buy the 1000rd cases. 2 500 rd cases of the same ammo in my mind would have qualified for the 10 points off. Oh, and federal used to pack xm193 in 1000rd cases IN 20rd boxes. Not really sure why they have changed up in the past few years. Shoot me an IM or call me and I'll try and smooth it out. |
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I'm going to predict that local gun shops will eventually just fade away. Despite what many may think, there’s just not a lot of money to be made due largely to internet competition and the costs of doing business. We did it as a hobby, and in many cases we could get better deals off the internet than we could get from our own distributors Plus firearms and ammo is not used in the same volumes as milk and gas, so the profit margin from the sporadic sales is not usually enough to offset the rising costs of doing business. I won’t even touch on the colorful and sometimes questionable customer base that comes along with it With that said, I am glad I had the business the few years that I did, because I now have my dream collection of firearms and ammo that I probably wouldn’t have otherwise...but I would never do it again Maybe you're not doing it right. An established 15+ year gun shop has a powerful customer [colorful or not] base. I would venture to say that only 20-30% of our customers even KNOW they can buy guns and ammo off the internet and a lot of those people simply still don't trust the internet. Another part is that people, especially gun people, simply have no desire to wait. They want what's on the rack. They want to play with the gun/scope/stock/etc BEFORE they commit to buy it. Once they play with it they just want to buy it instead of saving Five whole dollars waiting for a week for USPS to deliver a flat rate box. Just saying, local gun shops who know what they're doing aren't going anywhere any time soon. |
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Just saying, local gun shops who know what they're doing aren't going anywhere any time soon. Most that do well, or at least survive is not just a gun shop. Seems they're either some type of pawn shop or run from the home...but I'm sure that's not always the case 
Anyway, I will stand by my earlier prediction. I'm not trying to argue...just keep an eye on the insurance industry and you'll see what I mean
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Just saying, local gun shops who know what they're doing aren't going anywhere any time soon. Most that do well, or at least survive is not just a gun shop. Seems they're either some type of pawn shop or run from the home...but I'm sure that's not always the case
Anyway, I will stand by my earlier prediction. I'm not trying to argue...just keep an eye on the insurance industry and you'll see what I mean Touche. We are in fact also a pawn shop and the 300% APR pays the rent and utilities. Everything else is just profit. 
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WTF are you talking about? First, I am in my mid 30's. I have been buying bulk ammo for 20 years. A case is a physical object, contrary to whatever you think it is. And cases are one single box, hence the word case. Save your stupid remarks for someone else. Whoo, buddy. Chill out. There's enough of this GDesque attitude bullshit on HTF as it is. Goddamn, this place has changed. |
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WTF are you talking about? First, I am in my mid 30's. I have been buying bulk ammo for 20 years. A case is a physical object, contrary to whatever you think it is. And cases are one single box, hence the word case. Save your stupid remarks for someone else. Whoo, buddy. Chill out. There's enough of this GDesque attitude bullshit on HTF as it is. Goddamn, this place has changed. George, Sorry for my temper flare, but I didn't appreciate Saj calling me out saying the my misinterpretation of what a Case amount of ammo should be. And how he thought I must be in my mid 20's and inexperienced in the ammunition purchasing department because I thought a case of Federal 5.56 is 500 rounds. I don't see how that type of comment adds anything positive to my thread. His asusmptions were without merit, as he doesn't even know who I am. Plenty of people will tell you a case of Fedral 5.56 is 500 rounds, since the 1000 round lots are all bulk pack these days. Sorry if I offended anyone with my post, but I am not a "newbie" when it comes to guns or ammo. I don't appreciate people trying to act like hotshots and making assumptions of myself or others because they have a different opinion. I have been in the HTF long enough for people to know that I don't post stupid stuff, or make statements that are way off base or that are meant to start trouble. A little respect goes a long way. |
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i had edited out my guess at your age before you posted that response, btw.
stating that you have bought bulk ammo for 20 years does not help your argument when the rest of GAHTF tells you what the industry standard meaning of "case" is. please cross post your topic in GD and see what you get. but feel free to vent on me. i bring bad news to folks 5 days a week at least, and i let them vent all they want. it seems like you didn't like the answer you got here about what a "case" of ammunition means, but i really have nothing more to add unless pressed. |
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i had edited out my guess at your age before you posted that response, btw. stating that you have bought bulk ammo for 20 years does not help your argument when the rest of GAHTF and an employee of the shop in question tells you what the industry standard meaning of "case" is. please cross post your topic in GD and see what you get. but feel free to vent on me. i bring bad news to folks 5 days a week at least, and i let them vent all they want. it seems like you didn't like the answer you got here about what a "case" of ammunition means, but i really have nothing more to add unless pressed. I don't mind being corrected at all. That is why I asked others for their input. However, how the answer is given makes the difference. I didn't know you edited your post, as I don't go back and re-read them. But others have mentioned that they thought a case was 1000 rounds, but did it tactfully. Nobody else went the age route or assumed I hadn't bought in bulk before. See the difference? There is a ton I don't know about firearms, but that is why I ask questions. If people bash people for asking questions, then people won't want to ask them anymore. This thread is over as far as I am concerned. Thanks to all for sharing your input. I appreciate it. |
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I don't appreciate people trying to act like hotshots and making assumptions of myself or others because they have a different opinion. I have been in the HTF long enough for people to know that I don't post stupid stuff, or make statements that are way off base or that are meant to start trouble. A little respect goes a long way. See Sig Line.
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I don't appreciate people trying to act like hotshots and making assumptions of myself or others because they have a different opinion. I have been in the HTF long enough for people to know that I don't post stupid stuff, or make statements that are way off base or that are meant to start trouble. A little respect goes a long way. See Sig Line.
Bookhound is as wise a Yoda :) hahahah |
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and a case (or "tin") of 5.45x39 is 1120 rounds. That being said, a case, to me, is whatever big ass box full of a large quantity that particular dealer has out that is in a non-descript corrugated cardboard box. Exactly, imo. Any of you remember when beer was sold in cases of 24 or six packs ? No 12 packs, no 18 packs, just six packs and 24 count cases . Ditto on colas? Oil was 24 quarts to a case ( in metal cans no less) ? Case qauntites change due to several factors. Sometimes it's to keep the price down to sell more cases ( one case costs less to inventory and invoice ). Sometimes it is how many will fit into the box with no leftover space. Sometimes it is because of weight issues. I would have politely placed the ammo back on the shelf and left, possibly never to be seen again, but I'm a grouchy old sob sometimes, and still high strung. I run my own business ( not gun related because I know how hard it is without a pawn shop or other income). If you price something and and promptly start looking for excuses to not honor the deal, what does that say about your ethics? I try never let anyone hem me in on a price because there are just too many variables in my industry. I will give a price range, and will take a loss before I go back on my word. |
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I try never let anyone hem me in on a price because there are just too many variables in my industry. I will give a price range, and will take a loss before I go back on my word. I am the same way...makes you really think about what you are going to commit to before you commit to it
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