Posted: 8/17/2008 5:03:27 PM EDT
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My Box "O" Glock will be going to Smyrna tomorrow. Yes it is a used G17 and Yes it is only a 2 dollar part.. Just seems like an awful lot of hype on how tuff these things are. Before you ask: No I did not hammer the trigger pin out. I pushed it out. Plop. Plop. Plop. Now, let the defenders begin the abuse of me for questioning the almighty Glock.. Tommorrow I will give a response as to what happens at Glock. Let the games begin. 
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Of the 7 1911's I've owned I have never had a pin break. Had a Colt that would only feed ball but hey that is what they were designed for... ETA: In Glocks defense it still ran. The trigger just SUCKED 
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It is a Gen 1 LE gun. That I purchased from AO which they had several of. I heard these were a little more accurate and I do not care for the finger grooves. Upon discovering this broken pin I Googled some and found that this does happen. 1st Link 2nd link |
I've seen it at least a dozen times if not more in the past three years. I've broken two myself. Oh yeah......I forgot-GLOCKS RULE!  |
Yea sounds like a good track record there....... Glocks are very average firearms that are so overhyped it hurts to think about. I am not saying they are bad guns I am just saying they are no where as good as the hypers would have you believe. My favorite when i ask "why are glocks so much better" and get the indestructable speech. I always like to ask them what other guns are? Sigs? Springfield Armory? H&K? Kahr? cuz I have never seen any of them "destruct". I love the look on their face afterwards.. Not bad guns.. but again.. No where what the hype would have you beleive. |
You know damn well that if I am gonna try one of these ugly plastic thingies it better run like a 3rd grade Alabama virgin ETA: The verdict is still out on this for me. I am willing to let them redeem thier product in my eyes. I just hope that tomorrow night I can come in here and respond that "hey those guys at Glock are all right"  Btw any idea of the round count at which yours broke? Or do I need to keep a pack of them in that hole in the grip 
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| I think you guys missed the part where he said that the firearm STILL FUNCTIONED. Shit breaks on guns. How guns are designed has a lot to do with the result. There are wear items and other parts on Glocks that break. But when they break, they result in a broken part, not a non-functioning gun. Meaning, if your shit breaks while you're in Bad Motherfucker Mode, you don't have to flip out like Hunny Bunny. |
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Both of my failures were high round count.I had a G35 break one at about 30k and the other was a 2nd gen G17 that I got from a guy on this board in a trade that broke shortly after I got it. I estimated round count around 10k. Both guns still ran with broken pins. Both guns broke the pin in half. I have been to some competitions and seen many others break. I've seen locking blocks break as well. The most popular part to break on the fantastic plastic is the trigger return spring. Especially the aftermarket ones. Mechanical things break. You fix them and go on. If they do it repeatedly....you get a new one. The gun I shoot in competition now has 70k rounds through it without single gun related failure. I just replaced the barrel with a KKM match barrel because accuracy was not up to par for me on a competition Glock. The gun has been absolutley flawless. Glocks are what they are cracked up to be. Definitely one of the most reliable guns out there. And the market is saturated with them. But....they do break just like anything mechanical. But they are also the easiest gun you can fix in the field. The Glock is a well engineered and constructed pistol. I carry a G19 every day with something around 40k rounds through it since I've owned it. Only thing that has ever broke on it is the magazine catch spring. But like Bradd said. You do not have to fit parts and you can tear one down and replace every part in it in about 3 and a half minutes. That says something. But I will say.....Glock is the ugliest fucking gun that you can buy. It is flat out hideous looking. Ken Hackathorn says...."Glock is the only gun that comes out of the box with no pride in ownership. and "If you treat your guns like you treat your lawnmower....you need a Glock." I tend to agree with him
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The key is defining what "better" is. Under my definition the Glock used to win hands down. My first criteria is low weight. Let's see, a ~20 - 25 oz Glock versus a ~35 - 38 oz all metal pistol? Glock wins for me. My second criteria is a consistent, low weight trigger pull (without being a cocked and locked SA). Again, the Glock's 5.5lb consistent trigger is a win for me over traditional DA/SA triggers. It does not help that the other pistols listed are close to 50% more in price than the Glock ($400'ish vs. $600'ish). Reliability is also a given which rules out the Kahr (sorry, I could not resist that one). Now, notice I said that the Glock used to win hands down. Now that S&W, Sig, H&K, and Springfield make polymer framed guns (some with consistent weighted trigger pulls) then there are finally pistols with the same attributes that made the Glock "better" for me (they still cost more however). Now the question is do I go try them all to see if one is better than the original? |
| Ok, I'll get this out up front. I own a Glock, but I don't shoot it much (and only strip it down to barrel, slide, and spring/rod plus lower half). What is broken and where in that picture? Looks like a trigger and a pile of loose parts. What am I not seeing? Sounds like a broken pin, or something? |
Another key too define what is "better" is availability of parts . If my G19 were to break like the OP's, a quick trip to the gun shop and a few minutes at my kitchen table, my gun is back in action. The same can't be said for S&W, H&K, Springfield and Sig. At best I would have to order the part and wait. Most likely the gun would have to go back to the manufacturer. This is not to mention that magazines, sights and holsters abound for the Glock. |
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Well I went by Glock today. I gotta say that they were very professional and courteous. The guy who helped me replaced everything in the gun with the exception of the slide, frame, and barrel. When he was finished he test fired the weapon and returned with it. He asked me if I was gonna shoot this gun? I said sure why? He then told me that it was what they call a "black label" glock 17 and one of the first 3000 imported to the US and was manufactured in 1986 and had all the original parts.. He mentioned that it was older than the one he owned and if it had a little better finish it would be worth a fair piece of change... All in all I am gonna shoot it and enjoy it, I have a strange feeling that there may be more "plastic" around the house in the future Don't get me wrong I still love my CZ's and my 1911's but the customer support and the good people at Glock have got a new Customer  Speed |
Yep, their customer service got me as well .... lots of GLOCKS .... er if the wife is reading this ... just 2 .. that lots. Its nice dealing with people who put the customer first. I own only GLOCKS, shoot competitively with GLOCKS, and recommend only GLOCKS. I just don't clean my GLOCKs.  BTW - I once saw a guy replace the trigger pin with a paperclip .... and it shot. Lets see a 1911 shoot after replacing parts with office supplies. |
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I am glad they took care of you. I have always had good experience with them. One thing to consider is that I don’t think Glock really has any type of official lifetime guaranty. S&W has a life time warranty that I have used but it is supposed to be only for the original owner. But they don’t really investigate the issue. But even if Glock does have a lifetime warranty I don’t think it covers used guns. It would probably only apply to the original owner. All I am pointing out is that they probably are not obligated to do what they did. I think they should have replaced the pin but I think all the other parts are really icing on the cake. It is good to see a company that takes care of their customers. I really hope it works out for you. I don’t think Glocks are “perfect”. They are what they are, a tool. And a dam good one at that. You might find that your heart still goes out to the nice 1911 or CZ, but when it is time to grab a “tool” you grab the “plastic fantastic”. Truthfully they have some weak points but really have a lot of strong points also. PS I have a second gen G19 that I brought in because I thought the slide lock spring was week. Really it was my grip pushing up the slide lock. But I figured I would try a new spring. They replaced every part except the frame, slide and barrel just like yours. |
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Your experience at Glock is exactly the same as mine. I went by there with a Gen 1 G19 a few weeks ago. They replaced every part in the gun. The wait was not long either. While I sat in the lobby every Glock person who walked through was polite and asked if I was being helped and/or if I needed anything. I was treated with great respect and in an extremely professional manner. Some of the best servie I've every experienced. Mark |
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I own several Glocks now & have had probably over 15 models over time. They have always worked for me with minimal problems. However, a couple years ago I got a G38. I couldn’t go 100 rounds with out a malfunction. I took it back to the Glock a couple times. Each time they said that they couldn’t find anything wrong. First time, they gave me new mags just see if it help. Second, the replaced everything inside. Still had the problem. On the third trip back to Glock, the manager talked with me. He said that they could not duplicate the problem. However, they wanted to make me happy. They agreed to switch the G38 with the pistol of my choosing. I exchanged it for a G19 that I still carry today. He did say that my documentation & photos of the problem made it easier for him to justify the exchange. I have gone to them in the past for other reasons (new mags with wrong caliber follower & recall on early G19) each time they were very friendly & did the work while I waited. In the 15+ Glock that I have owned (several with +30K rds fired each), I have only had one OEM part break (slide lock spring on early G35). |
Forgot about that part. I prefer AmeriGlo (Green front/yellow rear) and had already installed in the G38. They moved the sights to the G19 no charge. Not a hard job with the right tools, but still nice of them. |