Posted: 12/5/2006 2:49:08 PM EDT
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U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Atlanta Field Division 2600 Century Parkway Atlanta, Georgia 30345 (404) 417-2600 Fax: (404) 417-2601 They should be able to answer your questions. Edited to add: They really should be able to answer your questions. I wasn't being a smartass. I was trying to be helpful. |
thnx, I'll call them in the morning! |
I found this one the ATF web site here: ATF FAQ As long as you are legit, ie here legally, then you are golden. Joe was very good a smelling a rat. In a couple months, we'll see old tico lamenting on CNN how easy it was for AlQeada sympathizers to buy guns in the US. BTW Welcome to America. Where are you from? |
I'm not going to comment on a situation I dont have first hand info on. I'm from South Africa, Ive been here a while now ;) |
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Dude, there was more to that story than just the guy wasn't a citizen. A buddy of mine on this board is a Canadian citizen. The guy has been here for a number of years and just hasn't bothered to get his citizenship. Only thing he can't do is vote. And these days, frankly, I sometimes wonder why I bother to vote.  (That's another thread.)Anyway, I sold the guy one silencer recently and when he picked it up he ordered another.  Just because someone isn't a citizen doesn't mean they are a bad guy in some way. And I know one Canadian with some VERY cool toys. (Knows how to use them too!) I will also make an observation regarding that other thread. With all the media focus on the Mexican boarder and the high number of illegals (from Mexico!) in the country we have a lot of people eyeing all Mexicans in general with suspicion. I must admit I am guilty of it to a degree. I live close to Gainesville. Everytime I see a van load of Mexicans I wonder if they are legal or not. If we had several million illegal Canadians in the country, I'd be, well...screwed. For the most part they don't look different from Americans. When my friend told me he was a Canadian citizen I was floored. He has no accent. There was no outward way for me to identify him as Canadian. I don't even think he drinks LaBat's or Molson. (He does kinda look like a Rush fan though!) I think some folks ganged up on that other poster just because he is Mexican. Follow what I am saying - I am not calling any of those people racist. I am saying many of us resent the illegal Mexican invasion (which is exactly what I think it has become) and our agner has grown because of the politicians lack of response. So, I think many people group even the legal Mexican immigrants in with the masses of illegals. I think people are more likely to bash on a guy from Mexico who doesn't want citizenship here and would be less likely to bash the Canadian. Just a thought. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Mark |
I dont think anyone complains about illegal immigrants more than legal immigrants.. The INS is certainly not shy it charging you to apply for anything! |
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I work with several folks not born here. A Columbian lady, Puerto Rico, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Japan, India, Pakistan, Canada, California, etc. Some are US citizens, some are not. The Canadian guy has lived here for 20-30 years and just got his citizenship. My opinion is that if people are going to live here, they should desire to become part of our citizenry. If I moved to Ireland or wherever, I would seek citizenship. It's a moral responsibility to contribute to the area you live in by integrating in to it. But that's just me. I'll probably never leave GA. On the illegals, Mark, you hit it on the head. I would like to see those that came here legally stand up and protest a bit about the trespassers. Especially the legal hispanic population. I'm cool with someone being heere legally. I don't care where you're from (unless you're a yankee) as long as you've earned your right to be here through legal means. The illegals are trespassers and should be dealt with harshly. If they want to be here so bad, then do it legally. |
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I finally got an answer, kinda... "It depends on the dealer" and "There is nothing to say an NIC is required or not required so it is the choice of each dealer" I guess its good/bad.. Its good because I could find a good dealer, but it could be bad because I could get one who doesnt..  |
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If I were you, I would try to get citizenship, then have a hell of a time using your African American status on applications, everything you can think of. I would have too much fun with that. Let me know about the Rip-off show, oops I mean Gunshow, I may go, haven't been to one in years. |
Theres nothing quite like sitting in a classroom and then seeing "ATF" on your phone.. I'll let you know.. |
I have a good friend whose mom is extremely high up in the ranks there.. So maybe at that level they have caller ID? I havent dealt with them before to know any differently. |
I told you to hang up on them. Now you're on their list with the rest of us. Ok admit it, you were just mad that they interrupted you practicing the right-hand rule.
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Well the Saga continues! I found something I wanted at a local pawn shop. I had all required paperwork and tried to buy it. The owner insisted on calling in a NIC check.. 20 min later ( he is old and actually calls them in ) it comes back "HOLD" so for the last 2 days and the next 3 days I have to just sit and wait. This has happened before so I called the ATF this morning. The lady was mad as hell! She said "You mean that idiot didnt accept your carry permit? I swear some people shouldnt have FFL's" unfortunately there was nothing more she could do. She gave me the NICS # and I called the FBI to find out what could be done in future to sort this out. Well if I thought the first lady was mad, the guy I got onthe second round was FURIOUS! He was going to call the FFL and demand that he accept the carry permit and give me my gun today. I asked for a letter for future use to speed up the process and he said they are going to be drafting one "real soon" :) All in all I lose.. I have to wait and it sucks. But since 308 ammo prices are so high. I cant find any.. So I guess I'm not feeling the holiday season! |
I suppose its as easy to make a CCW card as it is a fake SS card? I really dont know. The shitty part is he has what I want, and its difficult to argue because he has the option of not selling it to me :( If I had options I would have gone elsewhere |
J, I hope things work out for you. It seems that if you are gonne go through the trouble to get/make a fake CCW, You would also go through the gut wrenching hard work and trouble to lie in the little box that asks if your a citizen or not....But thats just me.
I dont totally agree with this statement as it is so easy to become a legal citizen in this country, Come here illegally, have a kid, and they pat you on the back and welcome you with open arms. They should immediately deport the people when they come to the hospital, I dont care if they even deliver the baby and stabilize it. They should upon dishcarge, have an INS van setting outside load them directly into it and ship all 3 of them back to mexico. I meant think about it, If I had a warrant for my arrest and beat my wife while she was pregnant and put her into labor. You think they would pardon me? Hells no, i am going to jail. Just like if I got caught Drinking and driving on the way to the hospital. Sorry your not seeing this kid be born, Your goin to jail. Now, I have zero problem with people who come here and legitimately get their citizen ship. Just as millions of people have done before them. Hell, i know guys that I was in the Marines with that were not citizens, And they were fighting for thier country. You dont just get blessed with citizenship when your ready to fight and die for the country! SO you houldnt get it for spreading your legs.....And in my Opinion, It should not be extended to the child either.... Edit To Add: Many of the "Legals" that still act like they are in mexico, will not stand up and protest because the rest of their families are not legal, and they have the loyalty to thier families, When i used to do construction work, I had the privilige to be at work when the INS came around......It was utterly hilarious. These guys started yelling and running around, The ins guys looked like they were trying to catch chickens, and ALL of the . Can I get a LEO stance on this. What could I be charged with?
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| Oh please dont get me started on Immigration right now. I've seen too much shit from all these Brazilians and the kind of evilness that surrounds them. Lets see, here are the ones that are here LEGALY. Prostitutes, Drug addicts, Drug Dealers, Fraudulently marrying for legal status, liars, cheaters, and will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING for money. Immagine what the illegal ones are doing? Heres my conversation with the police. "I found cocaine in my house" LEO: "Nothing we can do about sir you should have called us when you found it and taken the chance you might have been arrested for it too". Me: "Gee, thanks for the help, and I hope you enjoy a drug dealing prostitute living in your back yard". LEO "I'm sorry sir, like I said theres nothing we can do about it". If we cant even get someone who is a known drug dealer / user with a CHILD involved, do you really think we can control the illegals that we dont know about? Nope, I've lost all faith in anything good coming out of this situation with immigration. |