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Posted: 7/25/2003 5:39:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/25/2003 5:58:20 PM EDT by Bradd_D]
Well, I picked up the Finnish M39 tonight. It's a 1944 VKT. What a beauty! The bore is perfect. One question, though...the bolt seems harder to throw than most bolt guns I've dealt with. Is this normal for MN's? It takes alot more effort to unlock smoothly.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 12:35:29 AM EDT
Yeah my M44 is a little on the tough side to run the bolt. I think it's due to the design of the bolt. Just wait till you fully disassemble it for a good cleaning. Also, make sure you load the cartriges right or they won't feed.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 3:50:26 AM EDT
Just wait till you fire off a round and try to eject the casing 5 minutes later.

Bring your hammer.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 6:12:37 AM EDT
I guess if I want a smooth action, I'll have to get a Swede...
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 7:44:46 AM EDT
Nah, if you want smooth action, you'll have to pay her for it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 10:51:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
Also, make sure you load the cartriges right or they won't feed.



The pointy end goes toward the front, right?
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 11:54:41 AM EDT
well that too, but you gotta stack the rims correct or they will lock up and you gotta dump your mag.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 11:56:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
well that too, but you gotta stack the rims correct or they will lock up and you gotta dump your mag.



I'm assuming no rims behind rims...
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:40:13 PM EDT
How bout a pic????
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:43:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
well that too, but you gotta stack the rims correct or they will lock up and you gotta dump your mag.



I'm assuming no rims behind rims...


Pzactly. And you'll screw it up once. And you'll say things like "Jesus fucking tap-dancing Christ on a three-wheeler. Why'd I fucking do that?" as you turn the rifle over to drop the magazine floorplate to dump them all out.

Then, you will very likely never do it again.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:45:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By the_reject:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
well that too, but you gotta stack the rims correct or they will lock up and you gotta dump your mag.



I'm assuming no rims behind rims...


Pzactly. And you'll screw it up once. And you'll say things like "Jesus fucking tap-dancing Christ on a three-wheeler. Why'd I fucking do that?" as you turn the rifle over to drop the magazine floorplate to dump them all out.

Then, you will very likely never do it again.



Do stripper clips prevent this or will this be an issue with them as well?
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:45:37 PM EDT
Very nice. I'm a sucker for the octagonal receivers.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:47:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By the_reject:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
well that too, but you gotta stack the rims correct or they will lock up and you gotta dump your mag.



I'm assuming no rims behind rims...


Pzactly. And you'll screw it up once. And you'll say things like "Jesus fucking tap-dancing Christ on a three-wheeler. Why'd I fucking do that?" as you turn the rifle over to drop the magazine floorplate to dump them all out.

Then, you will very likely never do it again.



Do stripper clips prevent this or will this be an issue with them as well?


Real men don't use stripper clips.

You can use them, and they'll work for you. Personally though, I don't see the point in bothering with the extra step. A bit of awareness is all you really need.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 4:11:03 PM EDT
BTW, I think the host receiver may be a 1917 Tula.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 7:19:18 PM EDT
Look on the underside of the receiver. If you see an armorer's marking that is a hammer in a circle (very small, generally, and the hammer looks like a 'T'), then the receiver is Tula pre-1917. Basically, after 1917, the Tula factory stopped using that marking. However, since your gun was either sold or captured, then converted, re-arsenaled, and god knows what else for the past 80+ years, the bottom of the receiver is the only likely place to find that mark.

My Tula M91/30 has it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 7:35:31 PM EDT
Wow, nice rifle! congrats on your new toy!

I'm not very familiar with these but word has it these are the bomb-diggity as far as accuracy and the best MN type there is.

If you dont mind me asking, what does one of those set you back?
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 7:38:50 PM EDT
This one was $250.
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 6:02:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gilfrd:
I'm not very familiar with these but word has it these are the bomb-diggity as far as accuracy and the best MN type there is.



Here's a brief history.

The rifle has been around since the first Dragoon rifle, the M1891 Mosin-Nagant. There was flirtation with a carbine variant in 1907. A few Mosins were fabricated by contract by Remington during WWI (you'll occasionally see them as converted M91/30s) and a number of them ended up in the hands of the U.S. Forestry service - some of these were even converted to 30-06 and are a shredded shrapnel-laden face waiting to happen - don't ever EVER EVER fire a M-N that is chambered for 30-06. The rifle was last updated as the M91/30 in 1930 - a number of these were converted Dragoon rifles since it was easier to update existing stuff than make new stuff. The first true carbine variant came as the M38 in 1938. Six years later, the M44 debuted. There is another carbine, the M91/59, but no one can decide if they are Russian or Bulgarian. Again, a lot of the carbines used to be rifles.

Now, nearly all of the old Soviet Bloc countries made their own variants. So did China. Finland bought a bunch as well, and picked a number of them off of dead Russians in the Winter War.

As far as accuracy goes, if you are going to get a carbine, get a Finnish model. They are, hand-down, the best and most accurate - as a group - of all the other carbine. The full-sized rifles of any origin are about on par with the Finns from what I've read, but they are VERY long and very heavy. Of course, they also don't kick as bad as the carbines.
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 6:25:23 AM EDT
If it don't kick, I don't want it!
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 12:05:04 PM EDT
Bradd_D-
If you don't have this month's copy of Shotgun News, you ought to pick it up. There's a big article on the M39's history and variations...

MMmmmmm... Hex recievers.... (drool).

-Hobbit
Link Posted: 7/29/2003 8:17:22 AM EDT
I dug up some interesting info on the "rim jamming" commonly associated with Mosins. Apparently, the Finns implemented a design change in the model prior to the M39 (the M28/30). They incorporated dimples in the magazine to better align the cartridges with the disruptor so as to prevent jams.
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