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6/30/2016 4:39:50 PM EDT
No end in sight of the shooting ban in the Croatan which hurts my soul.  

Any shooting clubs / alternatives areas to shoot besides traditional DNR type ranges?
6/30/2016 4:49:31 PM EDT
[#1]
What caused the shooting ban in the Croatan National Forest?
7/1/2016 11:11:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Ill tell you what caused it, Marines going out there and making  a mess leaving behind trash and shooting into nothing. there was also a lot of persuasion from the Jacksonville gov to enact a ban on shooting out there.
7/1/2016 11:11:23 PM EDT
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Ill tell you what caused it, Marines going out there and making  a mess leaving behind trash and shooting into nothing. there was also a lot of persuasion from the Jacksonville gov to enact a ban on shooting out there.
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Well I'm certain there were dumb Marines out there, I've seen bubbas of all sorts.  A big factor in moving to the area was the ability to set up my own plates and shoot at my leisure (I like shooting in the rain, you get to be alone).  The easy solution is designated shooting areas, which I'll compromise for, but the National Forestry wont vote on a plan until 2018.

To answer your question: home owners surrounding the Croatan complained that rounds were being fired indiscriminately and endangered their property / family.  Is there truth to this?  Probably some, but shutting down all target shooting without an end in sight is steep.  The jackassses who shoot like that don't bother checking to see if there is a ban or if its been lifted.

Back on topic, any alternatives non-fudd ranges in reach?
7/2/2016 10:40:40 PM EDT
[#4]
You would be better of trying to become friends with somebody who has private property you can shoot on.

That's what I did but I moved now I'm back at square one
7/3/2016 11:53:00 PM EDT
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I actually think the endangerment and extreme damage to ecological communities is why it, and many other woodland areas all over, is why it's banned. Go anywhere in the croatan and there are numerous trees half chopped down by rifle fire, also the dozens of tv's, washers/dryers, tires, and all the other trash people use for targets. I don't remember where I read it (so take this part with a grain of salt) but there were surveys conducted that estimated an enormous weight in lead that litters the croatan. So while nearby homes are priority, Im pretty sure protection of the national forest itself is a very close second.
7/5/2016 11:23:40 AM EDT
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I actually think the endangerment and extreme damage to ecological communities is why it, and many other woodland areas all over, is why it's banned. Go anywhere in the croatan and there are numerous trees half chopped down by rifle fire, also the dozens of tv's, washers/dryers, tires, and all the other trash people use for targets. I don't remember where I read it (so take this part with a grain of salt) but there were surveys conducted that estimated an enormous weight in lead that litters the croatan. So while nearby homes are priority, Im pretty sure protection of the national forest itself is a very close second.
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We need to remind people that most National Forests were paid for by sportsmen through a tax on firearms and ammunition.


Ironic, because the granola munching libs want to ban the very activity from National Parks which funded them.  Those parks aren't "theirs", they are "ours".


As for "lead" in the ground anywhere...just because something can be measured or exists doesn't mean it is hazardous.





 
7/5/2016 5:18:19 PM EDT
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just because something can be measured or exists doesn't mean it is hazardous.



 
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it is hazardous. in the case of animals...when one is foraging, they will certainly ingest lead fragments. Its most likely a small amount, but thats not the problem. The problem is biomagnification through the predator prey relationship. Biomagnification is when a prey consumes a toxic substance (the most common is DDT, and is why the bald eagle became endangered) and then consumed by a predator which has also probably consumed the toxic substance at some point through foraging. Now that predator has double the dose of said toxin, and this "pyramid" continues all the way up the food chain effecting many species of animals as a predator is ultimately prey to another species. Depending on lots of factors, this can...or can't....effect the biodiversity of the ecosystem. Biologists take factors like this into account and then recommend the state to enact policies to protect the habitat.

you may be aware of the range in holly shelter (that should have been finished by now ), lead contamination is one of many reasons its being built.
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7/6/2016 9:54:33 PM EDT
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Who is the Chief Ranger at Croatan now?